Snuggs
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What else is there to be right now.There's enough money to give both of them 8.5/year. Is that an overpay or underpay for you? They're going to get signed, don't be silly.
What else is there to be right now.There's enough money to give both of them 8.5/year. Is that an overpay or underpay for you? They're going to get signed, don't be silly.
If you are not a fan of penny pinching, might I suggest becoming a Leafs fan. They don't penny pinch anyone and have plenty of stars on the team. You also have the added advantage of losing in the first round every year and then declaring next to be "the year"
No, I don't.
What I mean by that is Yzerman is being "tight", penny pinching it seems when he's got enough to pay both, but willing to pay out for Kane easily.
I agree with you. I can't think of a reason Seider specifically is not signed 8.5x8 right now. Unless he's the one pushing for a bridge deal.
Who exactly has "penny pinching" alone and absolutely no other factor whatsoever been successful for?
Reason I say it like that is because too many fans here completely disregard the litany of more important factors influencing franchise/team success
The TML haven't lost because they overpaid their "stats," they lose because those stars haven't been good enough when it mattered, and they have completely failed at drafting and developing anybody outside the big 3 in over a decade
Catch 22. I'm going to say the same thing back at you and see if you compered why I value the 8 years over this 1 shitty year.Probably because an 8 year contract is way more influential on the future of the team than a 1 year...
... And I assume if Seider would sign for 8 x $8.5M it'd have been done by now.
Toronto loses repeatedly because they overpaid their stars and can't afford any depth.
When you can throw everything at their stars and then dominate their secondary players, it makes things rather easy. They're a Top 5 core with bottom 10 depth.
Because overpaying two guys on 8 year contracts is a recipe for disaster...Catch 22. I'm going to say the same thing back at you and see if you compered why I value the 8 years over this 1 shitty year.
* We'll see what he signs for 8.5-9 seems ripe. Schwabing over 500k for a franchise Dman seems odd. Hopefully that's not what's happening. I could use some good news any day with these guys!
No, I don't.
What I mean by that is Yzerman is being "tight", penny pinching it seems when he's got enough to pay both, but willing to pay out for Kane easily.
I agree with you. I can't think of a reason Seider specifically is not signed 8.5x8 right now. Unless he's the one pushing for a bridge deal.
Yeah, I value the 8 years over the one year. That's why I understand quibbling over 500k-1M for 8 years over doing it for one. Kane at 5.5 or Kane at 6? I don't care.Catch 22. I'm going to say the same thing back at you and see if you compered why I value the 8 years over this 1 shitty year.
* We'll see what he signs for 8.5-9 seems ripe. Schwabing over 500k for a franchise Dman seems odd. Hopefully that's not what's happening. I could use some good news any day with these guys!
Quite the conundrum- if only there was middle ground.If you are not a fan of penny pinching, might I suggest becoming a Leafs fan. They don't penny pinch anyone and have plenty of stars on the team. You also have the added advantage of losing in the first round every year and then declaring next to be "the year"
There is no middle ground.Quite the conundrum- if only there was middle ground.
The blues way overpaying for average bottom of the lineup players is hilarious like they pulled one over on EdmontonYeah, I value the 8 years over the one year. That's why I understand quibbling over 500k-1M for 8 years over doing it for one. Kane at 5.5 or Kane at 6? I don't care.
Unless or until Raymond or Seider miss training camp or games... my danger level of the contracts being signed is zero. Raymond and Seider's expected contracts are too easy for the Wings to match on anything except an absolutely ludicrous offer sheet (I'm talking 13M+) which 5 teams could even offer without making a corresponding move. I'm sure Yzerman sees that too.
They're not Broberg and Holloway who Edmonton was gonna try sneaking through for 1-2M a pop who got sniped by the Blues at double that.
Who exactly has "penny pinching" alone and absolutely no other factor whatsoever been successful for?
Reason I say it like that is because too many fans here completely disregard the litany of more important factors influencing franchise/team success
The TML haven't lost because they overpaid their "stats," they lose because those stars haven't been good enough when it mattered, and they have completely failed at drafting and developing anybody outside the big 3 in over a decade
When your stars players "haven't been good enough when it matters" and you have absolutely no depth behind them then the reason you aren't successful is because you've paid your stars too much and don't have anyone to pick up the slack. Not sure what your point is.The TML haven't lost because they overpaid their "stats," they lose because those stars haven't been good enough when it mattered, and they have completely failed at drafting and developing anybody outside the big 3 in over a decade
There is always a worse case scenario where the team can’t sign the player and negotiations come to an impasse, players and fans come to question the players value and what the return would be in trade. Dylan, Mo and Ray are building blocks and cornerstones of the team. Losing any of them would set the team rebuild back years. Yzerman took the Larkin negotiations to that point where we questioned Larkins value. Just not a fan of the penny pinching, questioned values on top tiered talent. Who wants to go through that? Mo and Ray watched the Larkin nonsense and are acting accordingly in their negotiations.
Who exactly has "penny pinching" alone and absolutely no other factor whatsoever been successful for?
Reason I say it like that is because too many fans here completely disregard the litany of more important factors influencing franchise/team success
The TML haven't lost because they overpaid their "stats," they lose because those stars haven't been good enough when it mattered, and they have completely failed at drafting and developing anybody outside the big 3 in over a decade
Plenty of people at the time were wondering where negotiations were with Larkin and questioning the 1C and value - you might not have but plenty did. The routine gets tiresome, we are well past March.It didn't make me question Dylan's value at all. That is silly to suggest negotiating normally as some sort of "treatment". If Steve signed any of the 3 on July 1st the year before, many would question him for not waiting until January-March.
Plenty of people at the time were wondering where negotiations were with Larkin and questioning the 1C and value - you might not have but plenty did. The routine gets tiresome, we are well past March.
When your stars players "haven't been good enough when it matters" and you have absolutely no depth behind them then the reason you aren't successful is because you've paid your stars too much and don't have anyone to pick up the slack. Not sure what your point is.
Copp extension has priorityWhat in the world is Yzerman waiting for? I thought by mid August he'd have signed both of these guys by now.
I expect Raymond and Seider once they arrive in Detroit prior to camp will sign on the dotted line.What in the world is Yzerman waiting for? I thought by mid August he'd have signed both of these guys by now.
They are RFA's... we have all the leverage... you should be as stingy as possible.No, I don't.
What I mean by that is Yzerman is being "tight", penny pinching it seems when he's got enough to pay both, but willing to pay out for Kane easily.
I agree with you. I can't think of a reason Seider specifically is not signed 8.5x8 right now. Unless he's the one pushing for a bridge deal.
Well - not sure if I'd say go stingy on them, but lets be honest - what else are these 2 gonna do come fall?They are RFA's... we have all the leverage... you should be as stingy as possible.
Fans have no affect - that's an odd thing to say...What does it matter if some fans question 1C, value or not? It affects his real world NHL value in no way. If half the fans thought he was Gretzky, and the other half of the fans thought he was worse than a random senior league rec player, it would change his status in Detroit and the NHL in no way at all. His value is determined by NHL GMs and management, not fan opinion.
Fans have no affect - that's an odd thing to say...
Starting a petition to make this a sticky post on every board on this God forsaken website.Fans have an impact through arena attendance and TV ratings (team revenue), but what Oddbob was saying is that the numbers posted here have no impact. You could say DBoss is worth $4M, and I could say he's worth $10M, but in the end Stevie isn't reading any posts here.
Generally speaking, most companies have someone (marketing, sale, and/or media relations) that cruises around reading social media, but the online presence of HFBoards is so small (especially for the Wings), that anything posted here isn't gonna reach the front office.
When I worked for the Big 3, I never read online forums for the vehicle platforms that I worked on. The internet experts who think they can fix design issues have no clue what they're talking about. Same applies to hockey, myself included.