Speculation: Raymond Seider Contract Speculation

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

No, it is a problem that we are the last team left in the NHL that has not signed our only two players besides Larkin that aren’t dog shit. It’s a pretty bad look.

It’s incredible to me how many people on this board seem to have this attitude that the Red Wings way of doing things is somehow better than everyone else, and that Yzerman is just smarter than the rest of the league. We haven’t won shit in over 15 years… there is no reason to give Detroit the benefit of the doubt. Yet some of yall have endless patience for Yzerman.

What.
No, Raymond and Seider's negotiations taking until now isn't some "Oh, the Red Wings are doing something special in a good or a bad way. Raymond and Seider are two of the most important RFAs around the league right now to the team trying to sign them.

I have endless patience for Yzerman when it comes to this because R and S are not the first high profile RFAs to be unsigned on the verge of training camp.

It's a problem if we're on the literal eve of the start of the season and they're still far apart. Like tomorrow is day one of the regular season. Hell, I'll start getting ansty once the Howe and Lindsay teams start playing in Traverse City and we're still talking about it.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

People will say it’s no problem right up until they don’t get signed

Well yeah, because it ISN'T a problem until they don't get signed. Literally nothing on planet Earth with the Red Wings is different if they signed July 8th or August 30th.

That's exactly how this works. It's not a problem until it doesn't happen deep into training camp or not at all.

 

[Henkka]

Still multiple of scenarios for reasons to wait.

A) Raymond waiting for what Jarvis will get. That will affect on his caphit.

B) Yzerman wanting to bridge or go shorter term either of the guys, but doesn't know which one. Is ok with either one. Who will blink first? Like, if Raymond takes 5 years, Seider will get 8, or other ways.

C) Yzerman waiting for some trade-scenario, to still fix the team. And if he has to add cap load, it will affect on those Raymond/Seider terms. Maybe he'll cut both then to 5 years, and has to keep that option open.

If there's no such a trade scenario, after this waiting period, he'll sign them for 7-8 years.

But at first you have to wait for. See what happens. Some teams have problems to be solved. You couldn't predict the UFA-market, Edmonton offer-sheets or Askarov-market at April etc. Things will happen, which are unpredictable.

Reason for waiting could be to keep all those scenarios open, even for unpredictable scenarios.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

I think it's simple...SY is offering less term or money, or both, too both players and their agents feel no pressure to accept...

If not at day one of camp, mgmt has failed.. we're not Toronto (nylander situation) nor Boston(Swayman situation)

 

[izlez]

No, it is a problem that we are the last team left in the NHL that has not signed our only two players besides Larkin that aren’t dog shit. It’s a pretty bad look.

It’s incredible to me how many people on this board seem to have this attitude that the Red Wings way of doing things is somehow better than everyone else, and that Yzerman is just smarter than the rest of the league. We haven’t won shit in over 15 years… there is no reason to give Detroit the benefit of the doubt. Yet some of yall have endless patience for Yzerman.

Good RFA's just walking away isn't a common occurrence. Lots of current RFA's are currently unsigned.

This isn't a "Yzerman is smarter than the rest of the league" thing. It's a "this is a common occurrence in the league" thing

 

[TCNorthstars]

I think it's simple...SY is offering less term or money, or both, too both players and their agents feel no pressure to accept...

If not at day one of camp, mgmt has failed.. we're not Toronto (nylander situation) nor Boston(Swayman situation)

Why would it be all on mgmt if they aren't at day one of camp. Last time I checked, there are 2 parties involved in a contract.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

Good RFA's just walking away isn't a common occurrence. Lots of current RFA's are currently unsigned.

This isn't a "Yzerman is smarter than the rest of the league" thing. It's a "this is a common occurrence in the league" thing

It is....I'm curious though how many are in the exact same spot as Detroit...that is a rebuilding club looking to resign its best 2 players drafted in over a decade

Why would it be all on mgmt if they aren't at day one of camp. Last time I checked, there are 2 parties involved in a contract.

The pressure isn't on the players at this point in the franchises hx and only one side controls the purse( and I honestly highly doubt either Ray or Mo are asking for some ridiculous contract)

 

[Sentinel]

I doubt both Seider and Raymond are asking for something unreasonable. Why would they want to tie the hands of the club they are looking to stay in?

 

[DoMakc]

I doubt both Seider and Raymond are asking for something unreasonable. Why would they want to tie the hands of the club they are looking to stay in?

Definition of (un)reasonable might differ between Yzerman and players

 

[Christien]

I might be crazy and reading into things but pretty sure both removed Red Wings mention from their Instagram bios.

Raymond’s profile picture is literally him in a Wings jersey and his bio says Sweden/Detroit

 

[RedHawkDown]

Good RFA's just walking away isn't a common occurrence. Lots of current RFA's are currently unsigned.

This isn't a "Yzerman is smarter than the rest of the league" thing. It's a "this is a common occurrence in the league" thing

There are zero RFAs as big as ours that are not signed other than Jarvis, and his contract is apparently imminent. So no, it’s not common.

 

[Snuggs]

NHL rumors: Lucas Raymond, Red Wings 'not close' on contract extension

The Red Wings and star forward Lucas Raymond are reportedly not close to a new contract as training camp draws near.

clutchpoints.com

https://starlocalmedia.com/sports/national/oilers-leon-draisaitl-issues-deadline-to-finalize-extension-report/article_da4a5cb7-1070-50d8-b268-ca7c68ce4f7f.html

"If there is no deal to be signed before September 19th Leon won’t negotiate during the season. The goal is to get this done before that date as Leon doesn’t want this to be a problem or a distraction going into training camp."

Can a deal be had where both sides are happy with a trade/deals?

 

[Perfect Human]

This is just par for the course. Pagnotta stirring the pot with clickbait news that gets picked up by every non-hockey sports page (yahoo, SI, etc.,)

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

There are zero RFAs as big as ours that are not signed other than Jarvis, and his contract is apparently imminent. So no, it’s not common.

Also his team has multiple better young stars so could care less..

 

[Henkka]

My prediction for Raymond is:

7 years, 55 million.

1st year, 11.0M total salary (8.0M signing bonus, 3.0M base)
2nd year, 11.0M total salary (8.0M signing bonus, 3.0M base)
3rd year, 11.0M total salary (8.0M signing bonus, 3.0M base)
4th year, 8.0M total salary (5.0M signing bonus, 3.0M base)
5th year, 4.667M total salary (3.0M signing bonus, 1.667 base)
6th year, 4.667M total salary (3.0M signing bonus, 1.667 base)
7th year, 4.667M total salary (3.0M signing bonus, 1.667 base)

Caphit: 7.857M

He would get 8 million on the day he signs the deal.

Must feel so bad, he has probably earned ~4M so far in his career, so just dribbling his career earnings by using just a pen instead of a hockey stick would be quite a moment.

 

[Snuggs]

This is just par for the course. Pagnotta stirring the pot with clickbait news that gets picked up by every non-hockey sports page (yahoo, SI, etc.,)

true.

 

[lilidk]

My prediction for Raymond is:

7 years, 55 million.

1st year, 11.0M total salary (8.0M signing bonus, 3.0M base)
2nd year, 11.0M total salary (8.0M signing bonus, 3.0M base)
2nd year, 11.0M total salary (8.0M signing bonus, 3.0M base)
4th year, 8.0M total salary (5.0M signing bonus, 3.0M base)
5th year, 4.667M total salary (3.0M signing bonus, 1.667 base)
6th year, 4.667M total salary (3.0M signing bonus, 1.667 base)
7th year, 4.667M total salary (3.0M signing bonus, 1.667 base)

Caphit: 7.857M

He would get 8 million on the day he signs the deal. Must feel bad, he has proably earned ~4M so far in his career, so just dribbling his career earnings by using just pen instead of a hockey stick would be quite a moment.

Are you sure we could pay Raymond 11 mill next 3 seasons

 

[Redwing66]

Excuse after excuse - you have had all damn summer.

 

[izlez]

There are zero RFAs as big as ours that are not signed other than Jarvis, and his contract is apparently imminent. So no, it’s not common.

Swayman?


Harley, Perfetti, and Mercer may not be "as big as ours", but it's not like those teams are debating if those guys add any value to their team or not and are not going to offer a contract. They are in negotiations

 

[Frk It]

 

[SirloinUB]

People will say it’s no problem right up until they don’t get signed

It's not a problem until the season starts and they are unsigned.

No, it is a problem that we are the last team left in the NHL that has not signed our only two players besides Larkin that aren’t dog shit. It’s a pretty bad look.

It’s incredible to me how many people on this board seem to have this attitude that the Red Wings way of doing things is somehow better than everyone else, and that Yzerman is just smarter than the rest of the league. We haven’t won shit in over 15 years… there is no reason to give Detroit the benefit of the doubt. Yet some of yall have endless patience for Yzerman.

The "look" of it is irrelevant.

There are multiple unsigned RFAs so the "red wings way" is inline with several other teams so frankly I don't know what you're on about in that second post.

 

[TCNorthstars]

Are you sure we could pay Raymond 11 mill next 3 seasons

Why couldn't they? Illitches have lots of money.

 

[Henkka]

Are you sure we could pay Raymond 11 mill next 3 seasons

Larkin has same kind of structure. 10+11+10 million for first 3 years.

 

[RRhoads]

This summer I heard it at some Youtube video, where he will comment it and says it by himself.

If there's no summer video, it has to be the season ending interview.

If it is the same quote I have seen, it is clearly about deals in the future. I hav seen people on here misunderstanding that quote too. The point is, he didn't take a paycut.

 

[Euro Twins]