Rate Brad Treliving's TDL

[Warden of the North]

I like the additions and don't care about the cost for them. This is exactly what mid-round picks are meant for in a playoff teams life cycle.

The only piece that moved that I would have traded the 1st for is Hanifin, and I don't think that was ever a possibility for Toronto.

So B+ I guess? Kinda neutral on it. Glad we didn't move 1st/Minten/Cowen/Knies for rentals.

 

[conFABulator]

This was the TDL I was hoping we would have, though I was not sure that Tre would view the options the same way...

(a) we did not give up young players that can start to contribute at low cost...Knies, Woll, Robertson, Holmberg, Cowan, Minten, Grebonkin, Niemela, Tverberg, Hildeby, etc. We need (some/most of) these guys to bolster our line up.

(b) We added D and F depth and low cost without adding too many parts and messing with chemistry. The Leafs have the second best record (wins) in the NHL over the past twenty games and some players are starting to "hit their stride" in Bertuzzi, Domi, Samsonov, Brodie, McCabe, and Marner.

(c) We didn't move high draft picks (or Liljegren) for rentals. Both could have been moved for players with term, but not for rentals.

I think the plan should be to start going ALL IN after NEXT SEASON. We have AM, Willy and Mo locked in, we will have Marner and Tavares resigned for a combined six or seven million less than they are now. The cap will be ~$9M more than it is now and we could have five or six young guys playing roles.

In 2025/2026 we can have a roster of

Matthews
Marner ($12M)
Nylander
Tavares ($3M)
Knies ($2M bridge)
Robertson ($1.5M bridge)
Holmberg ($1M)
Jarnkrok
Cowan
Minten
Dewar

(With Grebonkin, Tverberg and Hirvonen in the AHL)

Rielly
Benoit ($1.2M)
McCabe ($3M)
Liljegren ($3M)

(With Niemela and Chadwick in the AHL)

Woll ($2M bridge)
Hildeby

...and $25M to spend on free agents and acquisitions.Two top four D, a goalie and a F?

This is the window we should be working towards.

 

[thusk]

In the 2 Boston games Mathew's Marner and Nylander had there worst games of the season.
1st game
We hit 4 poat
puck laying on the line
nobody showed up in that game

2nd game
Nylanders toe drag at the blueline Boston goal
Marner wide open net No Goal
PP1 SUCKED
The core didn't show up everyone else did

If the core doesn't show up and learn that in the playoffs you need to play a safer game , then it won't matter who you bring in..

the fact matthews didn't produce doesn't they was necessairly bad.They was the 2 only player amount foward with a positive xGF/xGA positive on both game.

Against a great defensive team like boston, if you giving up free goal like it what the case last 2 game, good luck.

gm 1 pastrnak lost the puck: unstead of putbpressure on a 50/50, nylander wait and gave up all the time of the world to the best boston player to do whatever he want.

2nd goalni can leave with that 1, just missing play

3 goal a simple 3v3 and for no reason, liljegren let his game all alone with all time of the world to shot

4nd goal: liljegreb who slept on his coverage.

this game should be 1-1 game at worst but because leafs gave up at least 3 free goal, they lost it 4-1.

same with game 2, should be a 1-1 game but leafs because of 3 free goal ( 2resulting of nylander play + 1 weak goal by Woll) they trailed 4-1 unstead of being at 1-1

bothcould be easily leafs win but when youre giving up 3 free goal by game, you will basically never win

 

[ACC1224]

Always thought this was a throw away, evaluate and reload next year type of season and the deadline didn’t change my opinion.
GM made moves so they will at least go down swinging.

 

[the real Fox mulder]

I know that some people are disappointed that Treliving don't trade for a RH d, but I believe that if Treliving had traded for one, it wasn't going to make a huge difference. When Keefe said "he doesn't know who to trust anymore", It's a group issue, and bring in one person is not going to change much.

 

[Nineteen67]

This was the TDL I was hoping we would have, though I was not sure that Tre would view the options the same way...

(a) we did not give up young players that can starr contribute at low cost...Knies, Woll, Robertson, Holmberg, Cowan, Minten, Grebonkin, Niemela, Tverberg, Hildeby, etc. We need these guys (some/most) of them to bolster our line up.

(b) We added D and F depth and low cost without adding too many parts and messing with chemistry. The Leafs have the second best record (wins) in the NHL over the past twenty games and some players are starting to "hit their stride" in Bertuzzi, Domi, Samsonov, Brodie, McCabe, and Marner.

(c) We didn't move high draft picks (or Liljegren) for rentals. Both could hCe been moved for players with term, but not for rentals.

I think the plan should be start going ALL IN after NEXT SEASON. We have AM, Willy and Mo locked in, we will have Marner and Tavares resigned for a combined five or six million less that they are now. The cap will be ~$9M more than it is now and we could have five or six young guys playing a role.

In 2025/2026 we can have a roster of

Matthews
Marner ($12M)
Nylander
Tavares ($3M)
Knies ($2M bridge)
Robertson ($1.5M bridge)
Holmberg ($1M)
Jarnkrok
Cowan
Minten
Dewar

(With Grebonkin, Tverberg and Hirvonen in the AHL)

Rielly
Benoit ($1.2M)
McCabe ($3M)
Liljegren ($3M)

(With Niemela and Chadwick in the AHL)

Woll ($2M bridge)
Hildeby

...and $25M to spend on free agents and acquisitions.Two top four D, a goalie and a F?

This is the window we should be working towards.

And the core will have had some playoff success which should give them more confidence. Anything they accomplish beyond this season’s success will be gravy, be it semis, finals or a Cup.

 

[Mess]

Always thought this was a throw away, evaluate and reload next year type of season and the deadline didn’t change my opinion.
GM made moves so they will at least go down swinging.

Next year will be even a bigger throw away then this year when Nylander and Matthews new raises kick in joining Marner and Tavares with now 4 players making $11 mil and 4 of the top 10 highest contracts,

Leafs will be cutting down releasing players like Bertuzzi and TJ Brodie for cap reasons and bottom filling with cheaper contracts.

Agreed what BT did was realize he was not going to be able to build up Leafs core with pennies on the dollar to spend for cap reasons and so he brought in a few players that are going to make the Leafs harder to play against physically and to make going to the blue paint in Leafs zone more painful for the opposition.

He is simply going to cross his fingers like the rest of us and hope the core 4 show up come playoff time and able to handle a physical series and contribute offensively.

 

[Primary Assist]

Solid C. If he was able to pull a rabbit out of a hat and land us a top pairing d man that would have been amazing, but largely unrealistic. I don't think he set the team back, but it will be painful when one of those midrange picks inevitably turns into a serviceable NHLer.

Happy he didn't bet the future though on a year where we are once again a bubble team instead of a contender

 

[thusk]

the funny is watch prople reacting like if late 3/4/5/6/7th pick are pretty huge

can you tell me last 20, all player who really had an NHL carreer draft over 75th spot since 2006?

Pontus Holmberg, Carter Verhaeghe, Conno Brown, Andreas Johnsson, Josh Leivo, Pierre engval, Victor Stallberg, Carl Gunnarsson, Leo Komarov

9 with 70 pick 2005-20+9 ( 13% of hit) and all those player except verhaeghe are just depht player

Dewar alone will probably provide more than what all 7 pick would bring to the leafs together, thats is the reality. 1/7 = 14 % of hit

so please stop reacting like if treliving broke leafs futur by trading late pick.

 

[hotpaws]

I gave a B , with the lack of assets he was left with there wasn't much Tre could do . I would have traded the 1st and Minten plus lesser prospects/picks if that could have gotten us a solid 2 way top 4 RHD around 25 years old with term left on a fair deal but no ones trading those guys and not for that pkg .

love how many F's Tre;s getting , must be Dubies loyalists , lol

 

[Anthrax442]

People were going to hate on Tre regardless to what he did.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I'm happy that we didn't trade our top prospects. Not thrilled about going half measures and sending out 6 picks and a prospect this deadline, only to end up with a team that's no better than it was beforehand, and still worse than it should have been to start the year. Confused about where our new D fit and who is sitting, and confused about spending extra picks to get retention to save space we didn't use. Feels like we couldn't decide whether to go for it or whether to stand pat, and ended up wasting assets in the middle.

 

[Punch Drunk Loov]

Can you imagine if we put JT on LITR in time for game 1 and acquired Mantha, Hanifin and Hertl? Insane

Anyways Tre did what he could. Ĥe didn't mortgage the future for rentals and acquired guys who do things we lack for low end assets.

I'm pleased with all of the guys we added.

Dubas made so many small annoying trades that wasted assets for no reason. Like we traded Sandin for a 1st + Gustavsson so we could have 7D instead of getting an extra pick. Why? If you had built a proper team maybe we would have a respectable 4th line or d core. A 3rd for Rittich was terrible. An injured Riley Nash, Ben Hutton, holy.

At least the 3 guys we acquired are going to play every game. I just named some òf the smaller adds where we paid picks for

 

[Dekes For Days]

You know how many picks BOTH Vegas and Florida used last year at the deadline? Like 2. The highest pick either team traded was a 2nd.

when vegas finnally won it, wich move their made?
Barbashev : a complenmentary player

Seems like unless there's a shiny draft pick number, some people don't seem to remember value given up in trades, but Barbashev cost the player Vegas had recently drafted in the 1st round, and was much more than a complimentary player in their run.

 

[conFABulator]

And the core will have had some playoff success which should give them more confidence. Anything they accomplish beyond this season’s success will be gravy, be it semis, finals or a Cup.

That would be very helpful to the plan

 

[egd27]

I can understand being concerned or having some doubts. But no, I think people who proclaim we aren’t beating a team like Boston, like the result is already determined are in fact being dramatic quite frankly.

Ok, that's fair, but I can understand why some believe we aren't beating the B's in a 7 game series.

 

[thusk]

Seems like unless there's a shiny draft pick number, some people don't seem to remember value given up in trades, but Barbashev cost the player Vegas had recently drafted in the 1st round, and was much more than a complimentary player in their run.

he was the 3rd wheel of eichel/ marchessault... like the bunting with matthews/ marner

the palat/killorn of kucherov /point/ stamkos

the lehkonen of mackinnon/rantanen

kind of player alone will not bring you a lot offensively but alongside skilled player will look great. For me its what a top 6 complentary player is

he doesn't took spot of anyone, doesn't stole a pp spot to anyone. He just took the place available in the line up and thats why thats working pretty well. It will not be the case with hanifin, hertl and mantha.

 

[HolyCrap]

What’s a ‘dreadful deadline’ about it to you?

I mean, what would have made it not dreadful? I’m confused about what people’s expectations are here. The leafs have less than a league minimum salary in cap space.

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I mean, I’d be excited too if Tre moved on from one of the core, creating cap space and bringing in a couple stud defensemen, but maybe Calgary didn’t want Marner? St. Louis didn’t trade their defenseman, so no idea if that rumour was even possible.

The leafs didn’t put any of their big salaries on LTIR before the deadline, they can’t just bring in $15m in salary like Vegas did

And even if they did, this team is absolute dog shit against Boston or Florida anyways, they can’t beat those teams in a 7 game series with or without ‘biggest name that got traded today’

And until the top players on the team can show that help can actually help them, and not just be a waste (by beating some playoff teams) what’s even the point? Just throw value out the window because fans get excited about the trade deadline?

You can tell a lot of folks just don’t understand salary cap, asset management and current team downfalls or even how the league works. Gotta remember we have a huge amount of casual fans so they don’t understand and vent on here. This team will have the room to retool once Tavares is off the books and Marner is either extended at fair value or moved with his allowance or walks to free agency.

 

[the real Fox mulder]

I think this season was a message from Treliving to the core and the coach of working with what you got and don't plan on me making any big move. If I can make small changes, I will, and Treliving did.

Treliving could had traded a first for Tanev, but I believe that Treliving knows that it's a group issue and one player is not going to change much.

 

[Anthrax442]

None of this matters if 34,16,88,91,44 don't play the way they are paid to.

 

[57 Years No Cup]

This core has repeatedly shown what they're made of in the regular season and the playoffs. There is no reason for anyone to have any confidence whatsoever in them. And for the most part nobody does.

Yet on this site you will find very few posters that wish to trade any of them.

Seems kinda strange to me, almost like people don't care if they win.

 

[HellasLEAF]

I gave him a B+

Treliving will pull triggers he has not proven to be the shy type so my guess is the fact bigger moves weren't made is the price was too high or he simply didn't have the space.

I love Boosh and Edmundson moves. I have no idea who Dewar is but Manny fans like him.

I will say seeing the stipulations attached to the 1st round picks getting moved this year it's equally disappointing to see Dubas didn't manage to get those caveats when shipping ours out. How Foligno goes for a clean 1st is behind me (although I believe there was retention).

 

[LeafSteel]

Ok with Dewar.
Love that we still have our 1st and top prospects.

Dislike losing Lagesson for nothing.
Dislike trading scarce picks for non-impact UFA’s on defence.

More interested in what Treliving does in the offseason than anything at the deadline. Looking for meaningful RHD additions that are long term.

Offseason has to start with firing Keefe.

 

[HellasLEAF]

^^^

You consider Lybushkin and Edmundson as non-impact? They have immediately become 2 of the most physical players on the team, for a team desperately lacking this exact thing.

 

[Strangle]

Anyone who thinks this team gets a savior at the deadline that’s going to lead the core to the promised land is a dreamer.

The saviors have been here for 8 years. If they can’t do it, you need to move on from them