Rate Brad Treliving's TDL

[Strangle]

I like their chances against Boston if they get the Goaltending.

Man, I don’t at all

I think the leafs need to exorcise their Boston demons, but I’m not confident they will. I’m happy you do, and I’ll cheer my f***ing ass of for them to do it, but in my heart … I don’t believe they will

 

[LeafGrief]

B. The answers, or more accurately, the failures are already in that room. Adding depth is always fine, and Tre did it cheap. But splurging yet again was a mistake waiting to happen. Dubas left us with bare cupboards, were closer to a retool than going all-in again.

 

[PromisedLand]

I gave him an A
Can't afford to trade any 1st rd picks for at least the next 3 seasons.
This season the Leafs were always going to be handcuffed trade deadline moves wise because of lack of draft capital, cap space and roster spots on big team available.
This offseason will be huge changes to the Leafs roster with players like Brodie, Tavares, Giordano and many others will not be with the Leafs in the coming 24 -25 season... This is when Treliving will officially put his stamp as GM of this team.

Tavares still has one more year after this season

 

[Strangle]

I like tre’s thought process since he’s been here.

We have all the soft skill we need locked up. Surround them with killers and goaltending and let the blood flow

 

[the real Fox mulder]

The Leafs haven't had a good blueline for the entire cap era. It's embarrassing and they seem to have no interest in finding a capable one.

Another trade deadline of punting on the issue, they'll do the same in this summer.

Leafs abandoned the rebuild to chase a playoff exit at the hands on Washington when they should have been trying to get assets to land Makar the best RDH prospect but they kept their own rentals in JVR and Bozak rather than turn them into picks which would have been trade capital to land Makar. Instead they made the playoffs got torched and then declared victory when Liljegren fell.
n alone for the last decade.

Every time a guy like Josh Mason, Montour, H. Lindholm, Hanifin, Hamilton or maybe give up a 1st for Taven when he was a Canuck and Rielly wouldn't have bee GM Treliving' is supposed to be the guy to fix the D. He couldn't get Hanifin?

Even if they can't extend Hanifin they at least get a look at what this team looks like with two good defensemen, not to mention actually going on a run.

This market is so starved that everyone pretended that Luke Schenn was a great.

It's not the big four's contracts ruining this team, it's Brad overpaid Bertuzzi, Domi and Kampf that are dead cap weight and iced the same blueline that isn't good enough to win.

This season is a repeat of what we've seen for 8 years.


If Treliving isn't going to do anything to make this team better during their window why is he here? Enough wasting time with this core they have to get better.

If Treliving had traded for Hanifin, I still think that the defense was going to be an issue. When Keefe said something like this " I still have questions about who I can rely upon", no one player or group of players was coming in, was going to make a difference.

I always believe that this season was a you work with what you got message to the core and the coach. This off season is where the big change is coming.

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[Strangle]

If Treliving had traded for Hanifin, I still think that the defense was going to be an issue. When Keefe said something like this " I still have questions about who I can rely upon", no one player or group of players was coming in, was going to make a difference.

I always believe that this season was a you work with what you got message to the core and the coach. This off season is where the big change is coming.

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This is what I think is happening as well

It should have happened after the Montreal series, but the next best time to do it after every off season since then is this offseason

I’d be willing to let Marner walk if he won’t accept a trade, just for the fact that we need that salary spread out all over the rest of the roster.

I think Marner is a fantastic player, but that’s not the point. It’s about the team, not the players

 

[kevsh]

He's still got 3 goalies on the roster, so I guess the plan is just to carry all 3 right through the post-season?

 

[Dayjobdave]

We obviously want Vegas in the playoffs and it’s great when they go on a run, but I think they took themselves completely out of contention this week.
Next year they will probably be a favorite again.

Depending on how Marner’s audition goes they may have lots of money to add a couple of top end D.

In my fantasy alternate Leaf universe that includes the Leafs not rejecting young Mr. Orr, Marner would have been the return in our blockbuster deal with Calgary for Thachuk…

 

[4thline]

I lreally like the Webber and Dewar moves.
Providing Webber signs with us a 6th for an ELC/pro ready prospect (especially one with such a unique skillset) is pretty great.

I love that Dewar is a 24 year old RFA. Helps an area of need (pk) this season, and opens up some interesting options for next season- could make Kampf redundant and allow us to recoup an asset and free up some cap space. Could combine with Kampf to provide very cheap stability down the middle in the bottom 6. Stylistically is a great C for our Tverbergs/Cowans/Knies/Minten's to come in play an up tempo, in your face style.

Boost/Ed- .
Part of me thinks it should have been one or the other- but I want to see how the D shakes out.
Part of me would trade Boosh+ 1st for Tavev+3rd+5th- but I get holding onto the pick
Part of me thinks those 3rd's would have been better used in the offseason for the inevitable reclamation projects/cap moves that come available for less than their worth every year.

Let's see what happens - a couple 3rd's is a small price to pay if it helps the group finally make a run.

 

[jaric1862]

You just know isn't comfortable dressing 5 lefties.

I think he'll favour Liljergren over Edmundson.

 

[Captain Crunch]

How did Tre do given draft capital/assets available, team's performance this season; and taking into account the historical performance of the core guys

I give him A-

I am happy he didn't do much and mortgage the future too much. We need to see MORE from matthews, marner, nylander in the post season before we invest any more significant draft capital/futures for help now.

What about you?

I was pleased that Tre didn’t mortgage the future. Just a few minor tweaks made, thereby telling both the core and the supporting cast that it’s on them, AND Keefe as well (and it should also be on Shanahan too!).

 

[Al14]

F.

He wouldn't pay the price for Tanev who would have been a perfect solution. Tanev may have been the player to help us transform the D and win a cup.

Then over paid for a bunch of defesnmen who don't do anything to improve the team. So we gave up a bunch of picks for no reason imo.

He totally mismanaged this whole situation. Treliving sucks.

I gave it an F too, but for very different reasons. I would have liked to have seen a HUGE deal, of some sort, to change the culture of the team.

As Leafs GM, I would have gone to all of the core 4 looking for one of them, targeting Nylander, to waive their NTC/NMC. It likely would have been a totally futile request, however it might have sent a message to these under performing overpaid core that their inconsistent efforts during games is unacceptable.

I would have tried to trade Nylander, Samsonov, and our 1st round pick, to Calgary for Markstrom, Weegar and Kadri. Sure, some cap gymnastics would have to been done to accommodate the cap hits, however something BIG needs to happen to change the continually failing culture of this team.

As for grabbing Tanev, would he have really moved the 'compete' needle enough for our Leafs. I doubt that very much. Besides, he'd just be a huge target for the Bruins to deliberately injure by accident. Yes, I'm looking at you Marchand, you f***ing dirty rat!

Also don't forget that the Bruins also added Maroon, so they'll have 2 'goons' looking to target an injury prone Tanev !!!

Ah well, I'm just a hard done by Leafs fan waiting to see my Leafs win ONE more Stanley Cup before I'm 6 feet under. I was just 12 years old when they last won it in 1967 !!

 

[Trapper]

It’s the core that needs to respond. If people are expecting one trade deadline deal to be the difference of winning/losing, we’ve got the wrong core. Our playoff record is horrible. If the guys you built around can’t get by Boston in the first round, some big changes are needed. The build is then the problem.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I was pleased that Tre didn’t mortgage the future. Just a few minor tweaks made, thereby telling both the core and the supporting cast that it’s on them, AND Keefe as well (and it should also be on Shanahan too!).

Standing pat would have sent that message even more frankly but yeah, they really need to understand that it is on them. 7 consecutive seasons of sub .500 hockey in the playoffs is unacceptable, and they should be thrilled that Tre got as much help for them as he did.

I would have preferred just writing off the season and selling but I'm also not unhappy with what he did, he didn't spend a ton and what he did spend was spent very well IMO. What we got wasn't major pieces, but they were exactly the kind of pieces that we needed and the team is definitely much better than it was, at least on paper. Time for the big boys to show that they're worth their cap hits!

 

[Sypher04]

Anyone who thinks this team gets a savior at the deadline that’s going to lead the core to the promised land is a dreamer.

The saviors have been here for 8 years. If they can’t do it, you need to move on from them

I don’t think it’s about getting a savior, at least it wasn’t for me. And I do agree the stars must lead the way for us in the playoffs, but that said:

People talk about this team apparently not earning upgrades at this deadline, I see it differently. I see a team that despite prolonged stretches of goaltending ineptitude, and a general difficulty defending is comfortably in the playoffs and until very recently was still a realistic possibility for home ice even in round one. I see a team with multiple star players having potentially career years. I see 34&88 taking $6M less this year than they will next, so a further cap crunch coming for next year.

This team has a glaring need for top 4 defense. It was true in the offseason when Tre chose not to fix it, and it’s true now still after the deadline when he once again chose not to fix it. Our defensive struggles this season are of his making. I don’t think Tre had earned the right to not help them; while he didn’t stand pat, I don’t think his moves were enough.

A top 4 defender with term should have been acquired and don’t tell me they weren’t available. We just didn’t have the stomach for it. I’m not interested in pissing away prime years of the best talent this franchise has ever had because we are fence sitting.

 

[AustonMarner]

Tavares still has one more year after this season

Mutual contract termination after last signing bonus July 1st, 2024... Tavares we only be owed like $775k after that so it makes sense for both him and the team. Leafs get cap space/Tavares gets more money while signing elsewhere

 

[Al14]

None of this matters if 34,16,88,91,44 don't play the way they are paid to.

Exactly this !!! Their playing effort on the ice doesn't always match with the pay being deposited in their bank accounts.

The culture of this team needs a make over really bad.

JMHO.

 

[Strangle]

Interesting question
- From what I can recall (and people free to correct me), all the recent cup winners and/or conference finals teams usually have their "core players" perform and take them ahead instead of any "new additions"

Recent Cup Winners:
- VGK
- Avs
- Bolts x 2
- Blues
- Caps
- Pens x 2
- etc...

(VGK an only exception I think with cap circumvention and bolts with Kucherov); other than that I don't think other teams added "difference makers" at the TDL. They added help for their needs. The difference makers were their core players.

I don't understand why Leafs need to add "difference makers" and not ask their core to be it and be the only team in the league to do so. Is dubas' ghost still hanging around at MLSE LOL

If the leafs need to add difference makers, and that makes this deadline an F, because they didn’t … that means they don’t already have difference makers and they need to remake the core of the team

 

[horner]

I swear to God if you were to just listen to the media and some people on this site, you would believe it is impossible to do anything in the playoffs, or win a round without blowing your entire draft capital every year.

You know how many picks BOTH Vegas and Florida used last year at the deadline? Like 2. The highest pick either team traded was a 2nd. Florida made zero moves.

It usually doesn't work
You have 25 games to have all thwvbew players mesh..its usually the smaller deals that work.
Schenn type of deals

your team should be built in the summer TDL should be for depth players.h

Now we have Dewar C as a Pk specialist energy speed hits and fights some skill

Kampf is probably traded next year I hope

This summer concentrate on Defense

A new coach that holds all players accountable Bo more drop passes in the defensive zone. Know when ro Play it safe

 

[Strangle]

Exactly this !!! Their playing effort on the ice doesn't always match with the pay being deposited in their bank accounts.

The culture of this team needs a make over really bad.

JMHO.

The culture issue is the number 1 reason I think you have to move on from Mitch Marner. The salary cap is reason number 2.

Not on the list at all? His play and production, which is all you could ask for from him.

But those top 2 reasons are legit. If the team has been hitting the conference finals, or a cup final, I wouldn’t be saying this. The results support that the culture needs to change.

The talent is obviously there, what’s missing is a winning “do what it takes” culture.

Does Nylander still have all his teeth?

 

[Strangle]

I don’t think it’s about getting a savior, at least it wasn’t for me. And I do agree the stars must lead the way for us in the playoffs, but that said:

People talk about this team apparently not earning upgrades at this deadline, I see it differently. I see a team that despite prolonged stretches of goaltending ineptitude, and a general difficulty defending is comfortably in the playoffs and until very recently was still a realistic possibility for home ice even in round one. I see a team with multiple star players having potentially career years. I see 34&88 taking $6M less this year than they will next, so a further cap crunch coming for next year.

This team has a glaring need for top 4 defense. It was true in the offseason when Tre chose not to fix it, and it’s true now still after the deadline when he once again chose not to fix it. Our defensive struggles this season are of his making. I don’t think Tre had earned the right to not help them; while he didn’t stand pat, I don’t think his moves were enough.

A top 4 defender with term should have been acquired and don’t tell me they weren’t available. We just didn’t have the stomach for it. I’m not interested in pissing away prime years of the best talent this franchise has ever had because we are fence sitting.

I don’t disagree with you at all. We just probably disagree on how you get a top 4 defenseman with term.

I’d rather they went after petro, and I’d have moved Marner if I had to, or Nylander to get him.

But that’s the point, with the cap you can’t have your cake and eat it too. You need to move cap from the forwards into the defense.

In order to do that, you need to either put Tavares on LTIR or you have to let Marner walk in the off season. Those are the only real options left for this team to address the defense in the right way

If you really believe what you’re saying, you have to be willing to let Marner go

 

[Sypher04]

The culture issue is the number 1 reason I think you have to move on from Mitch Marner. The salary cap is reason number 2.

Not on the list at all? His play and production, which is all you could ask for from him.

But those top 2 reasons are legit. If the team has been hitting the conference finals, or a cup final, I wouldn’t be saying this. The results support that the culture needs to change.

The talent is obviously there, what’s missing is a winning “do what it takes” culture.

Does Nylander still have all his teeth?

Are you prepared to lose marner for nothing to attain that though? Neither agreeing or disagreeing with the concept of moving on from him, just posing the question.

 

[Strangle]

Are you prepared to lose marner for nothing to attain that though? Neither agreeing or disagreeing with the concept of moving on from him, just posing the question.

I am, it’s a tough pill to swallow but the only two options I can see going into next year is

1. Put Tavares on LTIR before the deadline and bring him back for the playoffs and fill in a mercenary d-core at the deadline
2. Let Marner walk for nothing in the off season and find a top D or two

 

[Sypher04]

I am, it’s a tough pill to swallow but the only two options I can see going into next year is

1. Put Tavares on LTIR before the deadline and bring him back for the playoffs and fill in a mercenary d-core at the deadline
2. Let Marner walk for nothing in the off season and find a top D or two

I still say it could have been done this year if they’d moved Brodie out in the deal. Cap in, cap out, expiring deal, shouldn’t have been an issue. Long term, Tavares deal comes off the books in a year, but I don’t want to waste a year waiting for that. I would say tough decisions need to be made, and they do, but we have little actual control until a year out from now.

 

[All Mod Cons]

The Leafs haven't had a good blueline for the entire cap era. It's embarrassing and they seem to have no interest in finding a capable one.

Another trade deadline of punting on the issue, they'll do the same in this summer.

Leafs abandoned the rebuild to chase a playoff exit at the hands on Washington when they should have been trying to get assets to land Makar the best RDH prospect but they kept their own rentals in JVR and Bozak rather than turn them into picks which would have been trade capital to land Makar. Instead they made the playoffs got torched and then declared victory when Liljegren fell.
n alone for the last decade.

Every time a guy like Josh Mason, Montour, H. Lindholm, Hanifin, Hamilton or maybe give up a 1st for Taven when he was a Canuck and Rielly wouldn't have bee GM Treliving' is supposed to be the guy to fix the D. He couldn't get Hanifin?

Even if they can't extend Hanifin they at least get a look at what this team looks like with two good defensemen, not to mention actually going on a run.

This market is so starved that everyone pretended that Luke Schenn was a great.

It's not the big four's contracts ruining this team, it's Brad overpaid Bertuzzi, Domi and Kampf that are dead cap weight and iced the same blueline that isn't good enough to win.

This season is a repeat of what we've seen for 8 years. Cue the summer of 'what does this team need' and the knee jerk 'just trade Marner or Nylander before his extension kicks in' when they aren't the problem, in fact the big three carry a lot of dead weight.

The questions will remain. What do the Leafs need? Is it a goaltender? Well Leafs have never tried giving the core an elite goaltender, Leafs were too saavy to try that experiment once in the last 8 years? Is it another horse on the blueline? Who knows we settle for cutesy cap hit blueliners like McCabe that are ok but not significant. 8 years of not addressing these issues means they'll remain clueless this last season.

If Treliving isn't going to do anything to make this team better during their window why is he here? Enough wasting time with this core they have to get better.

It's the big 4's contracts and subsequent playoff performances that are ruining this team.

Trying to build this team around 4 highly paid forwards is what stops us from progressing. The fact that some still can't see this is what is still stopping us from progressing.

We'll never win a Cup with Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Tavares taking up the cap space they do. It was pointed out years ago.