Rasmus Sandin Discussion Thread

[rocketman588]

...for which team exactly?

I don't know dude any team that needs a middle to bottom 6 guy that can pass the puck a little and has solid upside.

Considering the idiotic deals some nhl gms like to give out 3/3.5 for that isn't that much of a stretch

I would say Jim Benning but he's fired

 

[A1LeafNation]

I don't know dude any team that needs a middle to bottom 6 guy that can pass the puck a little and has solid upside.

Considering the idiotic deals some nhl gms like to give out 3/3.5 for that isn't that much of a stretch

I would say Jim Benning but he's fired

Most teams have guys like that. And once a team does this, that teams own players will be looking for similar deals.

Like I said, I don't see it.

 

[Trapper]

What's the compensation?

When's the last time a dman was offersheeted anyways?

I think it was Weber.
The Canes used it last on Kot from Montreal.
The point is, it doesn’t have to be a huge offer. As people have stated, 2-4.1 mil is a 2nd round pick.

 

[A1LeafNation]

I think it was Weber.
The Canes used it last on Kot from Montreal.
The point is, it doesn’t have to be a huge offer. As people have stated, 2-4.1 mil is a 2nd round pick.

See it rarely happens...Sandin ain't that special. I bet the Canes regret that offersheet

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I don't know dude any team that needs a middle to bottom 6 guy that can pass the puck a little and has solid upside.

Considering the idiotic deals some nhl gms like to give out 3/3.5 for that isn't that much of a stretch

I would say Jim Benning but he's fired

If he was smart he would take Lily's deal and keep his head down until he learns to skate at a top 4 level .. no one is paying big AAV for a 3rd pairing guy who specializes in PP who needs to be played when puck is in other teams end

 

[rocketman588]

Most teams have guys like that. And once a team does this, that teams own players will be looking for similar deals.

Like I said, I don't see it.i

I would say the similar deals thing isn't that much of an issue as that's basically the going rate for a middle pairing D guy.

We gave Holl 2 mil half way through his first full NHL season. I can't see GMs thinking that 3 or 3.5 is that much of an over pay for Sandin

See it rarely happens...Sandin ain't that special. I bet the Canes regret that offersheet

The canes got what they wanted from that. 2 weeks of social media clout

 

[Trapper]

If he was smart he would take Lily's deal and keep his head down until he learns to skate at a top 4 level .. no one is paying big AAV for a 3rd pairing guy who specializes in PP who needs to be played when puck is in other teams end

A team like Buffalo (10 million under the Cap) and rebuilding could go for a 3 x 4 offer if they like.
Add Sandin to Dahlin and Power.

 

[LeafGrief]

Say he gets offered 3 to 3.5 mil by 4 or something

That's relatively ok value ( still an over pay a bit obviously)and you either get him for a 2 or it force us to spend 1.5 to 2 mil a year more then we want on him

If I'm an opposing GM I 100% pull the trigger on that

Sandin should be the rights were working on shopping not Mik

I would be completely and utterly astonished if he did get offered that. I don't think Dubas would even consider matching it. The guy had a decent season as a productive but unremarkable PP specialist third pairing defender and was unable to crack our playoff roster. 16 points in 51 games, defensively suspect, and not a particularly good skater. He's only 22 years old which is why we're still holding out for his upside, but I don't think there's very many GM's who are interested in committing 6-8m on a third pairing defenseman just to screw with us.

Fair enough to say that we should be shopping his rights, I assume that we're just going to hang onto him because I don't think his rights have the kind of value that we'd want to see. It's the same old song and dance with so many prospects, especially defensemen. They show their upside early and we get all excited for them, but it takes a few years for them to blossom into an effective player. During those interim years, values are at the lowest because so many guys do just fizzle out. I'm rooting for Sandin to take that next step, but as cup hopefuls we're not going to commit that kind of cap space to a project.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

A team like Buffalo (10 million under the Cap) and rebuilding could go for a 3 x 4 offer if they like.
Add Sandin to Dahlin and Power.

Yes they can but why throw around tough AAV on a guy who has trouble skating at top of AHL level (never mind NHL level) .. everyone in hockey knows Sandin can't skate .. only a complete NOVICE GM is offer sheeting a guy like that

Yes they can but why throw around tough AAV on a guy who has trouble skating at top of AHL level (never mind NHL level) .. everyone in hockey knows Sandin can't skate .. only a complete NOVICE GM is offer sheeting a guy like that

Well maybe Dorion but he is cheap cheap cheap like Jacobs

 

[Trapper]

Yes they can but why throw around tough AAV on a guy who has trouble skating at top of AHL level (never mind NHL level) .. everyone in hockey knows Sandin can't skate .. only a complete NOVICE GM is offer sheeting a guy like that


Well maybe Dorion but he is cheap cheap cheap like Jacobs

If he couldn’t skate, why’d the brain trust draft him 1st round?

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

If he couldn’t skate, why’d the brain trust draft him 1st round?

He can skate, but his skating relative to his size is below average. He was drafted for his IQ and positioning, which is more important than skating speed

 

[ACC1224]

If he couldn’t skate, why’d the brain trust draft him 1st round?

Highest ranked Grey Hound in the draft?

 

[Trapper]

He can skate, but his skating relative to his size is below average. He was drafted for his IQ and positioning, which is more important than skating speed

Then it seems reasonable someone could take a chance for 3 million and a 2nd round pick.

 

[ULF_55]

Leafs didn't give up three high picks to put Giordano in the press box.

The Toronto Maple Leafs announced today that the hockey club has acquired defenceman Mark Giordano and forward Colin Blackwell from the Seattle Kraken in exchange for a second-round selection in the 2022 NHL Draft, a second-round selection in the 2023 NHL Draft and a third-round selection in the 2024 NHL Draft.

Sandin was coming off injury.

Heck, Keefe benched Liljegren for Holl in the playoffs, in another failed exercise. So lost opportunity for Liljegren and nothing gained.

Rielly, Muzzin, Giordano.
Lyubushkin, Brodie, Holl.

It was all about vets, which got them ... nothing?

And as for physical play, you're looking at Lyubushkin and Muzzin, and then soft after that.
Sandin is 3rd. for Leafs defenders in hits per 60, so he must be able to catch up to some opponents.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Then it seems reasonable someone could take a chance for 3 million and a 2nd round pick.

I would. NHL GMs are typically very against offersheets though

 

[rocketman588]

I would. NHL GMs are typically very against offersheets though

Everyone enjoys messing with the leafs tho

See the waiver wire

 

[JT AM da real deal]

If he couldn’t skate, why’d the brain trust draft him 1st round?

Everyone thinks they can teach a guy how to skate FAST but reality is VERY VERY few ever do .. but you sometimes take a chance on skilled guys at bottom of 1st round .. he is very smart, very skilled with his hands and he is strong too .. all he really lacks is foot speed .. but that is a big big concern hence a late 1st round pick

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Everyone enjoys messing with the leafs tho

See the waiver wire

True, but I don't think teams really care if the Leafs retaliate by claiming some other teams waiver castaways. Every team has promising RFAs to deal with, and the Leafs could get real retribution down the line

 

[TheDoldrums]

I honestly think Muzzin could very well end up on LTIR at any point with his concussion issue. I really don't want to lose Sandin. I still think he has very high upside and we're going to need a 2nd pair LHD relatively soon.

Could it could get to a Puljujarvi situation, where he goes back to Europe for a year? That honestly might not be the worst thing for us.

 

[rocketman588]

True, but I don't think teams really care if the Leafs retaliate by claiming some other teams waiver castaways. Every team has promising RFAs to deal with, and the Leafs could get real retribution down the line

The odds of that with our cap space and time running out on the front office are very low

All it might take is a 3 million dollar offer sheet to either get him or really f*** with the leafs summer plans which is something that is really tempting if your a competitor that needs defense

 

[Trapper]

Everyone thinks they can teach a guy how to skate FAST but reality is VERY VERY few ever do .. but you sometimes take a chance on skilled guys at bottom of 1st round .. he is very smart, very skilled with his hands and he is strong too .. all he really lacks is foot speed .. but that is a big big concern hence a late 1st round pick

For a team that spends half the cap on 4 guys and traded away all its depth, you need these guys to take a role on the team minus the big concerns. The lack of quality since Matthews is a death sentence.

What can built up can crumble just as fast when the support breaks.

We are already dumping players like Tampa and living off UFA findings. Recipe, not good.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Sandin with an inflated sense of worth. Fantastic. Guy should make at most a few hundred thousand more than Liljegren.

This is on the organization though. Since Sandin came up it’s been obvious that the team treats him differently and affords him more opportunities. Despite being the same level of prospect as Liljegren and Robertson, who’ve had much shorter leashes.

With the huge steps taken by Lilly this year I don’t see how he can even command more, unless he wants a 3rd year which I doubt is the case considering the case of entitlement management seems to be dealing with with him

 

[ULF_55]

With the huge steps taken by Lilly this year I don’t see how he can even command more, unless he wants a 3rd year which I doubt is the case considering the case of entitlement management seems to be dealing with with him

It may be the poor coaching he's receiving.

An AHL coach who doesn't seem to be making any progresss, and takes out the youngsters for overrated vets so that he doesn't have to justify his decisions.

Holl was the veteran, and Liljegren was in the line-up when the Leafs lost at home.
Must blame the youngster and protect the vets.

Entitlement is reserved for the few, and the ones who are benched or taken out of the line up aren't part of that group.

 

[jaric1862]

The more I hear about this guy the more I'm starting to think he's a primma donna. He's really hasn't shown enough to be dictating when and where he should play in the lineup. Leafs need to hold firm and hopefully hopefully squeeze him as he has no arbitration rights.

 

[PromisedLand]

I wanna say LOL but I don't even know what to feel anymore with this franchise and management group.

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