Rasmus Sandin Discussion Thread

[Menzinger]

He's got fantastic on ice vision and puckskills. Still a work in progress in some areas, but looking like he's going to finalize as a legit impact player

 

[leafsfan2point0]

Very good iq and nice hands. He plays big for his size, definitely is feisty. He reminds of Pionk a little bit minus the dirty cheap shots

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Very good iq and nice hands. He plays big for his size, definitely is feisty. He reminds of Pionk a little bit minus the dirty cheap shots

Exactly correct .. his core strength is top of charts good .. but he still lacks size and most importantly speed .. but who knows with rook/kid defenders they are a work in progress .. last night he made a rook mistake on da double down switch and Noah used his speed over 3 strides to take him to cleaners .. i am sure da boys explained da double down switch to him on bench so he learns that one .. but in Sandin's case he has to learn speed of his game and not travel so far from his net .. your hands can't fix da double down switch .. it is about proximity from net, understanding speed of defender and your speed .. last night he did not get calc right in real time .. no biggie but a rook error for sure

 

[JT AM da real deal]

While the trend of speed in today's hockey is true, there is nothing to say he cannot become very good to elite one he learns how to slow the game down. Something I've already seen flashes of on his game. His iq should give him a good chance of reaching that potential.

Last night he got beat on da old double down switch with only 3 strides in his own end by Noah .. now I realize Noah is one of faster speed dman in league but he did not recognize da play or make calc correctly (probably it was a rook recognition issue)

 

[Stephen]

years ago when Sandin and Dahlin were both rookies facing each other in an Exie, I had said then that Sandin was the best Rasmus on the ice, they all laughed.

Not so long ago everyone was worried about the Leafs right side defenders, now it seems that the left side is a little worrisome after Brodie, although Liljegren is just about ready to take over the 3 spot maybe 20 more games or so considering the way Muzz was playing before he got hurt.

Brodie - Reilly
Muzzin - Sandin
Liljegren - Holl

If I were Dubious I would actually be exploring the possibility of moving Muzzin and bringing in another lefty veteran who would be willing to play in that 5 spot somebody maybe like William Lagesson, decent skater that can be physical or go for a guy like Chychrun and leave Liljegren in the 3rd pair.

So many ways to go

If someone gave me the choice between Rasmus Dahlin and Rasmus Sandin, there would be no hesitation who to take.

 

[Stephen]

If Sandin had elite skating we would be talking about a Makar level player. Regardless, he'll never have that skating but I hope he's able to improve his skating regardless.

I don’t agree. I think a Sandin with wheels would be in the world of an Adam Fox in terms of IQ, but he doesn’t have the wheels so we’ll see. He’s still more cerebral than athletic. And Makar is all athleticism.

 

[saltming]

Last night he got beat on da old double down switch with only 3 strides in his own end by Noah .. now I realize Noah is one of faster speed dman in league but he did not recognize da play or make calc correctly (probably it was a rook recognition issue)

I believe eve your bracketed sentence it the truth: he's a rookie and that's part of the learning curve.
Hol figured it out and I think he's slower than sandin and def less mobile. It took 2 seasons for Holl to get it in thinking sandin will not take that long.
That being said, every single defenseman gets beat from time to time.

 

[therealkoho]

If someone gave me the choice between Rasmus Dahlin and Rasmus Sandin, there would be no hesitation who to take.

I don't disagree, but this is his 4th year in the league with 242 games played, and he 's very nearly a finished product(Burkies 300 game rule). Considering the hoopla that accompanied him into the league he should at least be talked about as having Norris upside, but he isn't and really hasn't had a sniff yet. Being stuck in Buffalo is no treat and probably works against him, but he really isn't making his team any better when he's on the ice. Big dominant dmen are supposed to do that, the Pronger's, Lidstrom's the Pietrangelo's. I'm not going to say I take the time to watch a lot of Sabre games, but when I have watched them he's not done anything to really impress, he skates really well, he has a total bomb from the point but it's a 50/50 whether he hits the net, it's not quite as wild as our old buddy Dion, but hey as they say in the artillery he could just be "firing for effect." He gets beat to the outside by smaller quicker guys, so I wonder how bright he really is in not taking advantage of his physical gifts and great reach he has to close lanes and cut off angles.

If this is where he tops out, then he's still a good Dman certainly a premier 2nd pairing on a contender, and he'd certainly help make the Leafs a better team. Right now though Id take Reilly over him no questions asked as a #1, maybe in a couple of more years that changes, but maybe too in those couple of years Sandin is going to get better as well how much better does Sandin get, who knows? He now has 75 NHL games to his credit, but with the way he plays doesn't it seem like a whole lot more?

Sandin has incredible smarts which he uses to his advantage and that gives him real poise. He plays really chilly in that there never seems to be any panic in his game much the same as a Hjalmarsson or a Stralman.

 

[Stephen]

I don't disagree, but this is his 4th year in the league with 242 games played, and he 's very nearly a finished product(Burkies 300 game rule). Considering the hoopla that accompanied him into the league he should at least be talked about as having Norris upside, but he isn't and really hasn't had a sniff yet. Being stuck in Buffalo is no treat and probably works against him, but he really isn't making his team any better when he's on the ice. Big dominant dmen are supposed to do that, the Pronger's, Lidstrom's the Pietrangelo's. I'm not going to say I take the time to watch a lot of Sabre games, but when I have watched them he's not done anything to really impress, he skates really well, he has a total bomb from the point but it's a 50/50 whether he hits the net, it's not quite as wild as our old buddy Dion, but hey as they say in the artillery he could just be "firing for effect." He gets beat to the outside by smaller quicker guys, so I wonder how bright he really is in not taking advantage of his physical gifts and great reach he has to close lanes and cut off angles.

If this is where he tops out, then he's still a good Dman certainly a premier 2nd pairing on a contender, and he'd certainly help make the Leafs a better team. Right now though Id take Reilly over him no questions asked as a #1, maybe in a couple of more years that changes, but maybe too in those couple of years Sandin is going to get better as well how much better does Sandin get, who knows? He now has 75 NHL games to his credit, but with the way he plays doesn't it seem like a whole lot more?

Sandin has incredible smarts which he uses to his advantage and that gives him real poise. He plays really chilly in that there never seems to be any panic in his game much the same as a Hjalmarsson or a Stralman.

Without getting into a digression too much on Dahlin, what I find interesting about Sandin is his brain to athletic package ratio is somewhat atypical. Very smart, high composure guy, but the size, speed, athleticism might appear a little underwhelming. So people tend to struggle with projecting what his ceiling is. Stralman is an interesting comparison but Stralman had way better mobility. I think a TJ Brodie kind of floor isn’t unreasonable. Or maybe a Kimmo Timonen or Tobias Enstrom.

 

[Apotheosis]

I don’t agree. I think a Sandin with wheels would be in the world of an Adam Fox in terms of IQ, but he doesn’t have the wheels so we’ll see. He’s still more cerebral than athletic. And Makar is all athleticism.

My post was misconstrued. I meant on the same level, not the same type of player.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Without getting into a digression too much on Dahlin, what I find interesting about Sandin is his brain to athletic package ratio is somewhat atypical. Very smart, high composure guy, but the size, speed, athleticism might appear a little underwhelming. So people tend to struggle with projecting what his ceiling is. Stralman is an interesting comparison but Stralman had way better mobility. I think a TJ Brodie kind of floor isn’t unreasonable. Or maybe a Kimmo Timonen or Tobias Enstrom.

We can all take our guesses wink wink but we will see where he is after 500 pro games when he is a finished product .. PS Burkie knows very little about hockey skills he is mostly an executive loud mouth but he takes his lumps i give him that one .. but players in pro hockey world all know Burkie's real value is getting a FA to sign with you .. he did a great job paying Prongs and recruiting Scotty using his bro .. and understanding defense WINS Cups

 

[DraftSchmaft]

While the trend of speed in today's hockey is true, there is nothing to say he cannot become very good to elite one he learns how to slow the game down. Something I've already seen flashes of on his game. His iq should give him a good chance of reaching that potential.

He doesn't have the size or reach to slow the game down coming towards our zone. Theres nothing IQ can do there to make up for speed without one of the missing traits . Thats what will hold him back from being a true top pairing guy. I'm hoping he can at least become a set and forget no.3 eventually. That's a win for us even if he peaks there. But as of right now even that's a huge question mark.

If sandin tops out as the permanent no.5 that still makes us very deep and good team provided we have a second pairing. Probably one of the best no.5 in the league already.

 

[saltming]

He doesn't have the size or reach to slow the game down coming towards our zone. Theres nothing IQ can do there to make up for speed without one of the missing traits . Thats what will hold him back from being a true top pairing guy. I'm hoping he can at least become a set and forget no.3 eventually. That's a win for us even if he peaks there. But as of right now even that's a huge question mark.

If sandin tops out as the permanent no.5 that still makes us very deep and good team provided we have a second pairing. Probably one of the best no.5 in the league already.

Size and reach have nothing to do with slowing the game down, it's predominantly between the ears. Timing and spacing are what is key and how he feints his opponents to lure them to do what he wants them to do.
When he figures that out he will be a top 4 for sure but I do agree that if he tops out as a 5 that's ok too

 

[mapleleaf979]

Sandin has to work hard on his skating or he will never be in the Top 4 in the NHL. His first few strides he is stuck in his tracks. Its a fast twitch muscle issue, something u are born with. Tavares worked hard on his skating , its always been average to below average. This will be Sandin's biggest hurdle to progress as a dman. When he is pressured, he is trapped first, then outmuscled.

 

[Stephen]

Sandin made an excellent play to strip a Canuck of the puck on a developing odd man rush and then calmly transitioned the puck up the ice. Matthews was available at center for the outlet pass but he elected to wheel up at a relaxed pace, entered the zone himself, and then finding all his offensive options were cut off threw a muffin into the mid section of a Canuck defenseman.

It was just a very concise mix of brilliant, fussy and sometimes under powered play by Sandin.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Sandin made an excellent play to strip a Canuck of the puck on a developing odd man rush and then calmly transitioned the puck up the ice. Matthews was available at center for the outlet pass but he elected to wheel up at a relaxed pace, entered the zone himself, and then finding all his offensive options were cut off threw a muffin into the mid section of a Canuck defenseman.

It was just a very concise mix of brilliant, fussy and sometimes under powered play by Sandin.

We just need to get him a partner with good wheels and some physicality.

 

[stickty111]

Besties one on one

 

[stickty111]

Kid looked good in a top 4 role. Big for this team. If this continues, there is no need for Holl with Sandin and Liljegren.

 

[Nylander88]

Kid looked good in a top 4 role. Big for this team. If this continues, there is no need for Holl with Sandin and Liljegren.

I thought playing his off-side looked a bit uncomfortable at times. Will definitely take getting used to if that's their plan with him. I think Lilly is a better compliment to Muzzin. Both in shutdown pairing style, and the fact that he's obviously a RHD. Be interesting to see what happens on the back-end come TDL

 

[Stigma]

Besties one on one

I watched it all on youtube. That was great! These guys speak English so well. Both seem like good guys. I liked that Sandin said he would least like to be roommates with Willy. LOL

Also, just a reminder to people who are worried about Lily's height, looks at the size of him at 22. He's just going to get more solid. That's a thick build right there.

 

[hockeywiz542]

Necas and Oettinger lead seven Offer Sheet Candidates for 2022 NHL Offseason

Two offer sheets have been signed in the last three summers. If we’re going to have any fireworks again this...

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The compensation brackets for offer sheets has also increased to the point where it’s possible to make a solid player an offer without being crushed on the draft picks required.

For the 2022 offseason, the breakdown is as follows, as per CapFriendly.com:

Average Annual Value	Compensation
$1,386,490 or lower	No pick
$1,386,491 to $2,100,472	3rd round pick
$2,100,473 to $4,201,488	2nd round pick
$4,201,489 to $6,302,230	1st and 3rd round picks
$6,302,231 to $8,402,975	1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks
$8,402,976 to $10,503,720	Two 1st round picks, one 2nd and one 3rd round pick
$10,503,721 or higher	Four 1st round picks

Note: AAV for offer sheet is determined by dollars divided by term, maximum of five years.

Opposing teams may begin to talk with Restricted Free Agents on July 12, but no player is able to sign an offer sheet until July 13.

3. Rasmus Sandin

Left Defense, Toronto Maple Leafs

Age: 22

Stats: 51 GP, 5 G, 11 A, 16 Pts

Pending RFA, Career Earnings: $1.88 million

Scoop: Sandin probably isn’t the first player you think of when you think about offer sheets, but an opportunity exists to get a quality player who can slide into your top six. Toronto’s cap crunch is obvious. Every $100,000 counts for the Leafs. With a new two-year, $1.4 million AAV deal for Timothy Liljegren, you can ballpark that Sandin is roughly in the same neighborhood for pay, though they play on opposite sides. An untimely regular season injury made him an easy candidate for healthy scratch in the playoffs, but the Leafs still view Sandin as having more upside than Liljegren. It probably wouldn’t take that much for the Leafs to walk away (by necessity). Would a one-year deal at $4.2 million be enough to get the job done? Compensation would be just a second-round pick. Even if it doesn’t work, for a division or conference rival, it would complicate life for the Leafs.

 

[zeke]

Offersheeeeeeetttsssss!!!!!

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Sandin with an inflated sense of worth. Fantastic. Guy should make at most a few hundred thousand more than Liljegren.

This is on the organization though. Since Sandin came up it’s been obvious that the team treats him differently and affords him more opportunities. Despite being the same level of prospect as Liljegren and Robertson, who’ve had much shorter leashes.

 

[PROUD PAPA]

Sandin with an inflated sense of worth. Fantastic. Guy should make at most a few hundred thousand more than Liljegren.

This is on the organization though. Since Sandin came up it’s been obvious that the team treats him differently and affords him more opportunities. Despite being the same level of prospect as Liljegren and Robertson, who’ve had much shorter leashes.

Is there any indication of what is making things "trickier" with Sandin?
That comment in itself is rather vague.

 

[Stigma]

Is there any indication of what is making things "trickier" with Sandin?
That comment in itself is rather vague.

I think it's the old player-wants-more-than-what-the-team-thinks-is-fair issue. Sandin didn't seem too happy with the playoff situation so maybe he's more at ease playing hardball now.