Rasmus Sandin Discussion Thread

[Stephen]

I view this as a stupid comment to make…

Seems frustrated because a routine re-signing of a player under control seems to have turned into wooing a superstar. Half the blame falls on the player for being entitled and half on the management for running a loose ship.

 

[LeafGrief]

The problem is the inmates run the asylum here in Toronto and there’s no normal career development track. Rookie prospects get thrown onto prime PP1 roles in the playoffs, hugely inflates their egos and playing for a high profile team makes everything think they’re a superstar.

Sandin’s career status is very normal for his age and having to prove himself is normal too. Yet it seems like he doesn’t want to put in the honest work to cement his role on the team.

There's only two inmates running this asylum and they play on a line together. You're right about the PP in the playoffs and the ego inflation though, they gave Sandin a chance to be Subban/McAvoy and it seems to have backfired if he's buying his own hype. But at the same time, I don't think it's fair to roast the Leafs career development when the Marlies have been a winger factory for years and we just developed Liljegren the right way.

Sandin showed promise early which led to the hype that he's getting, but until some rival GM actually inks him to an offersheet that matches the hype, it's just noise.

This kid seems to have Mitch Marner negotiating tactics and a Dermott start to his career. Unique combination.

This had me in stitches, well done.

 

[kb]

Seems frustrated because a routine re-signing of a player under control seems to have turned into wooing a superstar. Half the blame falls on the player for being entitled and half on the management for running a loose ship.

Loose ship???

 

[Trapper]

The real problem is that our 1st round pick is only a 7th D (as described here) or nobody cares if we lose him or not.
That kind of drafting isn’t good enough.

 

[thinkblue]

Pretty much. Seravelli said this whole thing has been overblown, and he hasn't sensed tension between the sides and pretty much hurt Bunkis's narrative. Just said Sandin wants clarity on his future which is fair.

There's really no reason to vilify the player until we know more. Some very weird conclusions being drawn in this thread.

We'll see how this plays out. Apparently Dubas met with Sandin's agent after his presser this afternoon.

 

[Menzinger]

Not that Yzerman would want Dubas out of the Atlantic but he could give him a pretty good jab.

What does that get Yzerman in the long term?
Pisses off the front office of the leagues wealthiest teams for no net benefit to the Wings.

 

[Holls Blackmail]

Turns out "The Rasmus Way" means he can go f*** himself.

 

[Thornbury]

The real problem is that our 1st round pick is only a 7th D (as described here) or nobody cares if we lose him or not.
That kind of drafting isn’t good enough.

If he is only a 7th dman and that's his ceiling, then why would any team contemplate giving him an offer sheet?

 

[ULF_55]

Or they signed Gio because they didn't see him take that next step?

No. You sign Giordano for $800k even if Sandin was 24 and a veteran rather than a 22 year with 1 year of NHL service.

 

[ULF_55]

There's really no reason to vilify the player until we know more. Some very weird conclusions being drawn in this thread.

We'll see how this plays out. Apparently Dubas met with Sandin's agent after his presser this afternoon.

We need a Border Collie here.

 

[Nineteen67]

What does that get Yzerman in the long term?
Pisses off the front office of the leagues wealthiest teams for no net benefit to the Wings.

To create more chaos in Leafsland. Dubas will go all in to win a playoff round and if he fails again he’s gone, and then Matthews is gone a year later, and then another rebuild will start.

It only works if he likes the player, of course. And I don’t think Yzerman, or any team, is too concerned about pissing off the Maple Leafs.

There's really no reason to vilify the player until we know more. Some very weird conclusions being drawn in this thread.

We'll see how this plays out. Apparently Dubas met with Sandin's agent after his presser this afternoon.

Are you saying he could become an elite player again and not a press box scrub?

 

[TheRumble]

I don't blame Sandin for being frustrated with the Leafs. The way they've treated him is just bad for his career.

As it currently stands from Sandin's POV, the LHD in the team are Rielly, Giordano, Muzzin. He doesn't have a clear idea of how he'll get playing time going forward. Keefe doesn't seem to trust him very much despite being better than Muzzin for most of last year - that said I thought Muzzin was excellent in the playoffs.

Sandin doesn't want to sign a 2nd cost controlled contract with a team only to be a 7th defenceman.

 

[Menzinger]

To create more chaos in Leafsland. Dubas will go all in to win a playoff round and if he fails again he’s gone, and then Matthews is gone a year later, and then another rebuild will start.

It only works if he likes the player, of coruse.

Eh, even if that happens, the odds are Dubas' ends up in another front office in some form or the other. Few guys like to absolutely burn bridges in this league (especially over an asset like Sandin).

GMs tend to act as friendly competitors more than as cut-throat ones regardless. It's why offersheets almost never happen.

 

[kb]

No. You sign Giordano for $800k even if Sandin was 24 and a veteran rather than a 22 year with 1 year of NHL service.

I do agree, but him worrying about his long term fit with a 39 year old D-man as his main competition......seems dumb.

 

[Holls Blackmail]

I don't blame Sandin for being frustrated with the Leafs. The way they've treated him is just bad for his career.

As it currently stands from Sandin's POV, the LHD in the team are Rielly, Giordano, Muzzin. He doesn't have a clear idea of how he'll get playing time going forward. Keefe doesn't seem to trust him very much despite being better than Muzzin for most of last year - that said I thought Muzzin was excellent in the playoffs.

Sandin doesn't want to sign a 2nd cost controlled contract with a team only to be a 7th defenceman.

Then he should really work on getting better at defence and his skating..

 

[Menzinger]

I don't blame Sandin for being frustrated with the Leafs. The way they've treated him is just bad for his career.

As it currently stands from Sandin's POV, the LHD in the team are Rielly, Giordano, Muzzin. He doesn't have a clear idea of how he'll get playing time going forward. Keefe doesn't seem to trust him very much despite being better than Muzzin for most of last year - that said I thought Muzzin was excellent in the playoffs.

Sandin doesn't want to sign a 2nd cost controlled contract with a team only to be a 7th defenceman.

Sure, there's definitely a degree of frustration which I can see. But at the end of the day he's an rfa with no arbitration rights. He's got to just suck it up.

If he doesn't want to sign, he can go back to Sweden and an play for a fraction of what he'd earn with the Leafs

 

[ULF_55]

Then he should really work on getting better at defence and his skating..

Have you seen his workout routine?

 

[ULF_55]

I do agree, but him worrying about his long term fit with a 39 year old D-man as his main competition......seems dumb.

Might be better for him to play top minutes in Europe than eat popcorn in the management suites.

 

[Holls Blackmail]

Have you seen his workout routine?

I've seen a snippet but that hasn't translated to his skating one iota. He can't pivot at an NHL level. His edge work is really bad. Hell, his straight line speed isn't that good either. How many times was he beat from the opponent's blue line to his side of the ice creating 2-1s? This is his biggest issue IMO.

Part of growing as a player is understanding your limitations and playing to them, turning them from a liability to a non-issue.

No work out videos will ever show me that. I wish he'd follow Lily at the rink all summer.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

I do agree, but him worrying about his long term fit with a 39 year old D-man as his main competition......seems dumb.

And Jake Muzzin, who gets injured if someone looks at him wrong.

Sandin if he’s back will play next year. Gio will come out for load management some games and Liljegren and Sandin can swap out sometimes too. And again, it’s unlikely that our defence will be 100% healthy all season.

 

[Nineteen67]

Eh, even if that happens, the odds are Dubas' ends up in another front office in some form or the other. Few guys like to absolutely burn bridges in this league (especially over an asset like Sandin).

GMs tend to act as friendly competitors more than as cut-throat ones regardless. It's why offersheets almost never happen.

Dubas will likely end up somewhere.
Even the Leafs sign Sandin and let him develop it‘s likely they’ll still be in disarray rather than on solid ground, it may be prudent to leave them alone.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I don't blame Sandin for being frustrated with the Leafs. The way they've treated him is just bad for his career.

As it currently stands from Sandin's POV, the LHD in the team are Rielly, Giordano, Muzzin. He doesn't have a clear idea of how he'll get playing time going forward. Keefe doesn't seem to trust him very much despite being better than Muzzin for most of last year - that said I thought Muzzin was excellent in the playoffs.

Sandin doesn't want to sign a 2nd cost controlled contract with a team only to be a 7th defenceman.

The Leafs were already more than generous with him. They gave him opportunities to succeed, and had a ton of patience with him even when he struggled and likely should have been treated harsher.

Sandin, meanwhile, has seemingly complained about not getting opportunities he has not earned and he has a clear path for NHL time and a role with the Leafs if he does prove he is capable of it. It just won't be next year... Next year, he is going to have to fight for his job and he will likely be in a rotation.

 

[ULF_55]

Sandin played 51 games before he was injured for the final 20 of the season.

So he was on schedule for about 65-70 games.

Averaged over 16 minutes a gave, which was about the same as Liljegren.

 

[Stephen]

To create more chaos in Leafsland. Dubas will go all in to win a playoff round and if he fails again he’s gone, and then Matthews is gone a year later, and then another rebuild will start.

It only works if he likes the player, of course. And I don’t think Yzerman, or any team, is too concerned about pissing off the Maple Leafs.


Are you saying he could become an elite player again and not a press box scrub?

Well we lob a nice offer sheet on Seider or Edvinsson and see whose laughing.

 

[justashadowof]

Seems frustrated because a routine re-signing of a player under control seems to have turned into wooing a superstar. Half the blame falls on the player for being entitled and half on the management for running a loose ship.

I'm not really sure why any team would be willing to offer sheet Sandin in the $4M aav range at this stage of his career coming off a knee injury. However if the market dictates that the player can get $4M aav, that's his market value and how can our GM or any fan honestly think Sandin is obligated to take a salary haircut for the good of the team. None of our decamillionaires worried too much about the good of the team during their contract negotiations.