Rasmus Ristolainen: The $5M, 0 percentile defenseman

[Ironmanrulez]

Lets lend the contrarians a hand.

Yeah i believe Risto can be better than Haag and he can be better than his 8 year Buffalo self.
Yeah i believe Risto can be better with one of the worst coaching staffs in the whole league.
Yeah i believe Risto can be a point producer without PP Time.

In my eyes iam very positive here! Don´t you think?


How possible it is, is highly debateable!


I dont believe he can be that good, that all the cost to acquire him, will always be worth it!

 

[Beef Invictus]

would you drop a bouillon cube in the water to enhance the flavor?

The more the better

 

[flyerslducks]

Talk about food>>>risto

 

[rinaldo]

The more the better

chicken or beef?

 

[Asnito]

Talk about food>>>risto

In a normal world yes but with Beefs ideas on food I would rather fluff Risto

 

[Starat327]

In a normal world yes but with Beefs ideas on food I would rather fluff Risto

i knew i liked you for a reason.

 

[Asnito]

i knew i liked you for a reason.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

Also defense, which is still a useful attribute for a defenseman.

Look he sprinted away from his defensive assignmemt and crunched a guy on the half wall while the other team scored. That's some killer defence! I beat the guy he hit didn't even have as much fun celebrating and will totally have that in the back of his mind the next time they score.

 

[FlyersFanSinceBirth]

Look he sprinted away from his defensive assignmemt and crunched a guy on the half wall while the other team scored. That's some killer defence! I beat the guy he hit didn't even have as much fun celebrating and will totally have that in the back of his mind the next time they score.

I never said he's a Norris candidate. I didn't even say he was good defensively. Just better than Gostisbehere.

 

[Starat327]

Repeating a lie doesn't make it a truth.

 

[FlyersFanSinceBirth]

Repeating a lie doesn't make it a truth.

Just like how calling the truth a lie doesn't make it a lie.

 

[kudymen]

Repeating a lie doesn't make it a truth.

Oh man you suck at internet

 

[FLYguy3911]

What makes a defenseman good defensively?

 

[Starat327]

What makes a defenseman good defensively?

In fairness to the argument, this is probably a good question to preface with, even if the results don't actually change.

 

[GapToothedWonder]

I never said he's a Norris candidate. I didn't even say he was good defensively. Just better than Gostisbehere.

Shayne Gostisbehere earns 4th place vote for Norris Trophy

 

[FlyersFanSinceBirth]

What makes a defenseman good defensively?

It's subjective. Which is why either of us trying to change the other's mind is pointless. It's all based on opinion. I can't prove Ristolainen is better just like no one can prove Gostisbehere is better. But for a person to pretend their opinion is an undeniable fact is just stupid. So is referring to an opinion as a lie.

 

[FlyersFanSinceBirth]

Shayne Gostisbehere earns 4th place vote for Norris Trophy

There was a time when Shayne Gostisbehere was very good and had a ton of potential. That time has come and gone. Let's not call the "old boys club" idiots for some decisions but then pretend their opinion matters when they vote for someone we like in the Norris voting.

 

[Starat327]

It's subjective. Which is why either of us trying to change the other's mind is pointless. It's all based on opinion. I can't prove Ristolainen is better just like no one can prove Gostisbehere is better. But for a person to pretend their opinion is an undeniable fact is just stupid. So is referring to an opinion as a lie.

Except, we CAN measure defensive ability across several criteria, and we can prove it to be a fact, not an opinon. But, do you.

 

[FlyersFanSinceBirth]

Except, we CAN measure defensive ability across several criteria, and we can prove it to be a fact, not an opinon. But, do you.

You absolutely can not prove that Shayne Gostisbehere is a better defenseman than Rasmus Ristolainen.

 

[Starat327]

You absolutely can not prove that Shayne Gostisbehere is a better defenseman than Rasmus Ristolainen.

Ah, a "hockey is played on the ice, not on a spreadsheet, lolz" guy. Thanks for clarifying. Carry on, good sir.

 

[FlyersFanSinceBirth]

Ah, a "hockey is played on the ice, not on a spreadsheet, lolz" guy. Thanks for clarifying. Carry on, good sir.

If you can prove it then prove it. I'll wait. But you can't.

 

[kudymen]

Page 5: "Risto is also better than Ghost at defense"

Page 9: "You can't actually prove that player A is better than player B at defense"

 

[Starat327]

If you can prove it then prove it. I'll wait. But you can't.

You've already made it wildly apparent that you dont believe that statistics can account for a player being better than another at a given position, even refuting an earlier post about statistics as unbelievable.. I'm not in the business of wasting my time, so we can both go our separate ways here.

 

[FlyersFanSinceBirth]

Page 5: "Risto is also better than Ghost at defense"

Page 9: "You can't actually prove that player A is better than player B at defense"

Exactly what I thought. One of those "ooohhhh he called your mama fat, I wouldn't take that" type of children.

 

[FlyersFanSinceBirth]

You've already made it wildly apparent that you dont believe that statistics can account for a player being better than another at a given position, even refuting an earlier post about statistics as unbelievable.. I'm not in the business of wasting my time, so we can both go our separate ways here.

The stats as they were posted without any context at all proved nothing.