Player Discussion Rasmus Dahlin Part 4 - D (1st Overall, 2018, Frölunda HC, SHL)

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With how long this has gone on and all the speculations of the contract, it really is starting to look like a deal was in place before Dahlin took off to Sweden for the summer and the team wants to announce it with a big press conference to kick off the season on a high note.
 
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What would be wrong with a 4 year deal? Obviously 8 years is the hope, but 4yrs keeps him here for 5 more years. Fine with me.

You seem quite determined to be angry about something when it comes to his contract.
You are the only Sabres fan I know who would be satisfied with four years.

With how long this has gone on and all the speculations of the contract, it really is starting to look like a deal was in place before Dahlin took off to Sweden for the summer and the team wants to announce it with a big press conference to kick off the season on a high note.

This would be a very brilliant strategy to sell tickets over the summer so you might be right.
 

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I give it a 1% chance that a deal is in place. Who leaves a 84 million dollar contract sitting on the kitchen table. You sign that shit immediately. And if you’re the sabres you have the same sentiment. No f***ing around.

Are things close? Maybe. Is it more likely they want to work out the final touches in person? Yes. Are they at the final touches stage? I dont know.
 
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I give it a 1% chance that a deal is in place. Who leaves a 84 million dollar contract sitting on the kitchen table. You sign that shit immediately. And if you’re the sabres you have the same sentiment. No f***ing around.

Are things close? Maybe. Is it more likely they want to work out the final touches in person? Yes. Are they at the final touches stage? I dont know.
Well 84 million doesn’t go away tomorrow. There may be a news cycle they’re trying to catch. Dahlin may want family and friends to celebrate. The contract doesn’t kick in for a year anyway so it’s not like a pen stroke puts 84 million in his pocket. I can keep going. But basically because the Sabres aren’t going to pull the offer and dahlin is still playing under a contract. This isn’t me going on shit student loan payments are due I hope my check clears in time.
 

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Looks like its already out.


Yeah, I just knew my podcast listening schedule and I wouldn't get to it until this morning.

They basically said that everyone knew that the Dahlin deal would be 8 years at $9.5-11M AAV. So, Peters saying the AAV will be $10.5M isn't a huge shocker.

They also talked about Power and they expect him to get a bridge deal.

I give it a 1% chance that a deal is in place. Who leaves a 84 million dollar contract sitting on the kitchen table. You sign that shit immediately. And if you’re the sabres you have the same sentiment. No f***ing around.

Are things close? Maybe. Is it more likely they want to work out the final touches in person? Yes. Are they at the final touches stage? I dont know.
My guess is that the deal may be agreed to, and perhaps even signed and sitting in Adams's desk drawer, as they await Dahlin getting into town and they can make a big deal about the signing.

My only concern is Dahlin getting extended. 8yrs is what I'd like to see. But if it takes a 4yr to make it happen, so be it.
I will be really unhappy if the deal is less than 7 years in length.
 

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The Sens paying Sanderson 8 x $8 mil after 1 year in the NHL is not going to help the Sabres with the Dahlin contract. Way way too much.
 

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Is there any precedent that a contract is finalized and not reported within a week? Agents would never allow a contract to go unannounced for extended period of time. People need to accept that a contract is not in place unless it was just agreed upon. KA said there was no rush in one of his pressers or interviews. Personally i would want this resolved sooner but we all know KA wont rush to anything. Something is holding it up. Maybe Dahlins contract is contingent on Powers or Mitts contract. Maybe Dahlin is asking for 10.5 and KA feels like thats over a million more than his other young norris counterparts.
 

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Is there any precedent that a contract is finalized and not reported within a week? Agents would never allow a contract to go unannounced for extended period of time. People need to accept that a contract is not in place unless it was just agreed upon. KA said there was no rush in one of his pressers or interviews. Personally i would want this resolved sooner but we all know KA wont rush to anything. Something is holding it up. Maybe Dahlins contract is contingent on Powers or Mitts contract. Maybe Dahlin is asking for 10.5 and KA feels like thats over a million more than his other young norris counterparts.
Lou Lam has been known to do that all the time over the years. EF joked about all the contracts Lou had in his desk drawer a couple of summers ago when Parise to the Isles was reported around the open of FA and it was announced on October 10th.
 

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The Sens paying Sanderson 8 x $8 mil after 1 year in the NHL is not going to help the Sabres with the Dahlin contract. Way way too much.

I don't think it's too much at all for Sanderson and has zero bearing on Dahlin.

Sanderson's deal is much more of a "problem" for Power than anything.......that deal pretty much sets the standard for a long-term Power extension.
 

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My only concern is Dahlin getting extended. 8yrs is what I'd like to see. But if it takes a 4yr to make it happen, so be it.

They have leverage on Dahlin now. He is under team control for two more years. Buying two free agency years, and that's it. C'mon. We'd be facing a guy at 26 in three years in the prime of his career with one year left on his deal. The Sabres would be crazy to agree to four years.
 
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I don't think it's too much at all for Sanderson and has zero bearing on Dahlin.

Sanderson's deal is much more of a "problem" for Power than anything.......that deal pretty much sets the standard for a long-term Power extension.

It has zero bearing on Dahlin's contract ? It is a comparable for a young high drafted Dman. I am sure Dahlin's agent had a big smile on his face when he read the news.

And Dahlin's contract will definitely dictate Power's contract. Much more than anything else. It is obviously very easy for KA to put the Sabre's in cap hell.
 

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It has zero bearing on Dahlin's contract ? It is a comparable for a young high drafted Dman. I am sure Dahlin's agent had a big smile on his face when he read the news.

And Dahlin's contract will definitely dictate Power's contract. Much more than anything else. It is obviously very easy for KA to put the Sabre's in cap hell.

Dahlin is going from ELC --> Bridge --> Big contract

Sanderson is going from ELC --> Big Contract.


Sanderson's situation will have very little bearing on Dahlin as Dahlin's deal is going to eat more UFA years and thus be more expensive......which then is compounded by Dahlin being a better defenseman than Sanderson period.

Power's situation is much more closely aligned to Sanderson's. He's on his ELC now and possibly looking for a long-term deal, though right now he's not quite as good as Sanderson though does have a higher ceiling IMO.

But this is a Dahlin thread, so focusing there -- no, Sanderson's contract will have little to do with Dahlin's.
 

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Well, players often take risks, this phrase about the risk of injury is already like a cliché. Players are betting on themselves and if Dahlin has an even better season, especially when it comes to points, he will easily get 10+. But I hope he will sign now, even if it is 10-10.5 million.
Dahlin already bet on himself with his 2nd contract (bridge deal).
The total money Dahlin puts at risk by not signing a long term deal as soon as it is offered dramatically outweighs the cumulative incremental money he could make by betting on himself for 1 more year.
Example: 8x10=$80M and career ended* by injury at any point during those 8 years vs. 8x12.5=100M but career ending injury* this season.

*Doesn't even need to be career ending injury, just an injury that drops his (future) 4th contract to a fraction of his pending 3rd contract.

Why would anyone put a small, say 5% chance, of not being paid $100M for a $20M cumulative differential over 8 years?
Example sign now: (8 x $10M * 100%) = $80M
Example sign 2024 offseason: ((8 X 12.5M * 95%) + (8 x 0 * 5%)) = $95M. Difference is $15M (total over 8 years).
What would a $15M personal insurance policy from Lloyds or similar agency cost him for this season?
If you/others don't like the 5% injury assumption, pick your own percentage and multiply accordingly, and take the differential amount.

If I were making a personal investment, (i.e., a dividend paying stock or a coupon bond because it has an annual income stream), I would much rather lock in an income stream now vs. betting on a rate increase a year from now, even if the probability of the rate of return increasing is >>50%, because there is a non-zero probability the company goes out of business, and there is a probability <50% the rate of return doesn't increase significantly beyond the growth rate of the market as a whole (using that last part as an analogy for the increase in the salary cap).

If Dahlin plays out the last year of his deal, puts up 85+ points he is not signing an extension and will sign his QO and hold ALL the cards. Now I'm not saying he would definitely be gone if he went that route but he would take no discount. Why take a discount to continue to miss the playoffs?

If Dahlin was locked long term then the patient route is "OK" (not really but whatever ) but we MUST make it this year. Dahlin is a competitor and is sick of losing. And after seeing his teammate lead his team to a CUP while he is at home every spring watching the playoffs may make him leave.

Matthews just got an insane amount for just 4 years. Dahlin needs to get paid asap. His # is going up every week he is unsigned.
I don't agree with the bolded. The only thing which would change his next contract value is (a) greater certainty on future years' salary cap. (b) Full 2023-24 season performance numbers. Neither of those will change week by week.

Is there another pending RFA young d-man who is similarly eligible to sign an extension who may be used as a Dahlin comparable? That's the only factor which could change "week by week", but it will be a static driver (if it even is) and not one which has a passage-of-time impact.
Crazy good video, showcases his biggest strengths so well
And he makes it look so effortless. Great video. 21 minutes not wasted.
I hear Dahlin was offered a deal in Pegula bucks he can spend at the Sabres store.
Would love it if Dahlin bought any/all of the translucent-when-wet-with-sweat white pants and sent them to some semi-pro-team in Eastbuttf***istan in the KHL feeder league.
You are the only Sabres fan I know who would be satisfied with four years.

This would be a very brilliant strategy to sell tickets over the summer so you might be right.
Pretty sure @joshjull's 4-year comment, 5-years under contract, were in the context of the alternative of not having him signed. Obvious to any/all posters, Sabres and non-Sabres fans alike that the longest term Dahlin would be willing to sign is the most preferable.

I don't understand the second snark. Dahlin is under contract for 2023-24 so how does his signing or not signing an extension impact both the fans desire and ability to see him play for the Sabres this coming season?
 

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So if Sanderson gets 8*8, now Dahlin gets ?11,5*8? and Powers 9*8???
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Powers

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When is Power signing?
Sanderson and Power are essentially the same age and same career stats, I don't see why Power would garner an extra $1M per just because he's a #1OA drafted 1 year later. Power is not anywhere near as fully developed in defensive play as either his own offense abilities or Sanderson's defense abilities, and Power is a 10.2.c category without leverage.
$9M next offseason? Maybe. Maybe.
$8M now... more reasonable. Even then, Sanderson turns UFA a year earlier (I think) so his 8x8 deal buys more UFA years than the identical deal for Power would.

For reasons others posted in this thread, Sanderson's deal does not impact Dahlin's deal to the extent you posit above.
 
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