Rankings of European leagues 2020-2021 season

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And when they participated, it was a complete disaster.
I'm not saying it wasn't. I just don't find CHL a good gauge of a league, given that for the past two seasons only one club from Slovakia participated at a time when they were in a team rebuilding phase mostly, as the Slovak league winning team usually moves its best players onwards to other leagues during summer.
 
I'm not saying it wasn't. I just don't find CHL a good gauge of a league, given that for the past two seasons only one club from Slovakia participated at a time when they were in a team rebuilding phase mostly, as the Slovak league winning team usually moves its best players onwards to other leagues during summer.
Sorry, he was there before, as far as I know, the Nitra team and it was just as bad.
 
Is that a ranking by money ??
NLA is not above Liiga, DEL is not better than CZ extraliga. In fact, the NLA is a quality at the CZ league level.
Yes right! I would put the Liiga above NLA and Extraliga over DEL. Interesting ist, that the most finnish players have a higher PPG in NLA as in their domestic league.
 
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And when they participated, it was a complete disaster.
And so far they have always participated, just after the last year of BB, she stated that they do not want to play due to finances. Last year, the CHL was canceled for known reasons.
Another reason why they have not been successful in the CHL is that Slovak spectators and the hockey public are simply not interested in the competition. Greater attendance have the regular season games against the weakest opponents from the league than games against some unknown clubs from NLA, for example (although, these clubs may have a huge quality, but Slovak fans do not know them).

Furthermore, they could see the top KHL clubs for many, many years (when Slovan was a participant), so I am not very surprised.
 
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Yes right! I would put the Liiga above NLA and Extraliga over DEL. Interesting ist, that the most finnish players have a higher PPG in NLA as in their domestic league.
Is this the case? I did not take a look into a huge amount of numbers but thinking of the last three notable players who came from Liiga to NLA during the last years (Lasch, Nättinen, and Thorell) their point production did suffer in Switzerland compared to Liiga. Or were you specifically referring to players with a Finnish passport?
 
Sorry, he was there before, as far as I know, the Nitra team and it was just as bad.
Yeah, like I said, Slovak teams are far from competitive in the summer when they are in rebuilding phase. Even Nitra usually moves its best abroad after a good season, which it was back in those years. To sum it up, CHL has no financial incentives for teams from lesser leagues and is scheduled in times where teams from lesser leagues just struggle to ice a competitive team as they are usually rebuilding after a good season.

In any case, when Nitra was there for 2 seasons, they did have blow out games but also managed to win their group once.
 
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Another reason why they have not been successful in the CHL is that Slovak spectators and the hockey public are simply not interested in the competition. Greater attendance have the regular season games against the weakest opponents from the league than games against some unknown clubs from NLA, for example (although, these clubs may have a huge quality, but Slovak fans do not know them).

Furthermore, they could see the top KHL clubs for many, many years (when Slovan was a participant), so I am not very surprised.
Slovak hockey fans are hockey fanatics (in a good sense of the word). If their teams were successful in the CHL, they would go to the auditorium. KHL was played in Bratislava, BB and Nitra have nothing to do with KHL, it's just an excuse for the overall results in CHL, as I write, Slovaks are hockey fanatics.
 
Is this the case? I did not take a look into a huge amount of numbers but thinking of the last three notable players who came from Liiga to NLA during the last years (Lasch, Nättinen, and Thorell) their point production did suffer in Switzerland compared to Liiga. Or were you specifically referring to players with a Finnish passport?
I wrote "the most"! Not all! Of course i watch most the finnish playern in NL.
 
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Is that a ranking by money ??
NLA is not above Liiga, DEL is not better than CZ extraliga. In fact, the NLA is a quality at the CZ league level.
Money is the way to rank pro leagues.

More pay equals better teams.
 
Slovak hockey fans are hockey fanatics (in a good sense of the word). If their teams were successful in the CHL, they would go to the auditorium. KHL was played in Bratislava, BB and Nitra have nothing to do with KHL, it's just an excuse for the overall results in CHL, as I write, Slovaks are hockey fanatics.
Look, I have no issue with saying that Slovak league is not a top level league in Europe, but I can confidently say that currently it's more or less on EBEL level. Call me a fanatic if you will.
 
Look, I have no issue with saying that Slovak league is not a top level league in Europe, but I can confidently say that currently it's more or less on EBEL level. Call me a fanatic if you will.
You're obviously confusing EBEL with DEL. The rift was between the SVK league and the DEL. Yes, the SVK league is somewhere at the EBEL level, rather better. But no one disputes that, at least I certainly don't :)
 
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Honestly, I would rank Slovak Extraliga on the EBEL level. I watch the Slovak league regularly, and watched a few EBEL games this season, the level of play was pretty much the same. There is even a Slovak team (Bratislava Capitals) in EBEL that ended the season on 7th spot, that would probably rank the same in the Slovak league. National team prep games between Slovak and Austrian players from both leagues led to Slovaks outplaying the Austrian side, though this should not be used as metric as EBEL has a lot of foreign players.

I watched BA Capitals in EBEL. I can say that qualitatively the matches in EBEL were at a lower level than matches in SVK extraliga. On the other side in EBEL are more richer clubs.

And I see that the Belarus League is very underrated
 
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Alright, so then lost in discussion. DEL is definitely above Slovak league, I don't dispute that.

Yes, but not as much as the sub-participants think. Financially, DEL is definitely much better but qualitatively the difference is not great.
 
I watched BA Capitals in EBEL. I can say that qualitatively the matches in EBEL were at a lower level than matches in SVK extraliga. On the other side in EBEL are more richer clubs.

And I see that the Belarus League is very underrated
They keep doing really well at U18's... if that translates to some U20 results then I could see the league getting a better profile. I hope it does. I've enjoyed the Belarus teams!
 
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Neat debate... appreciate the OP for coming up with it.

I don't think using the CHL results is accurate personally... I just don't think the CHL reflects anything. It's a cute little tournament that doesn't prove much IMO.

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I will say, I was surprised Czech ranking was low in CHL.. the last 4 years we've had a tem in the semi finals all 4 times! We've also had a finalist 2 of the last 4.

Still, I remember TSN showing a CHL game with Kometa Brno and I was so excited because my hometown team was playing on TSN!!! I tuned in and this was Kometa at their peak of back to back championships. They benched everybody.. no Necas, No Erat, No Vejlmejka... it was the third goalie and the B team. I suspect that happens consistently with all the nations.
 
Because the depth isn't as good. Most DEL players are still German and hockey is not as established there which is partly why they rely on imports.

The Finnish league relies on production from the juniors, and the best unless they go abroad tend to join a few select teams. It's not a well-balanced league. It's true that German junior production is nowhere near the same level, but a much bigger portion of good German players play in the domestic league. All teams have some imported players, I would not say that it would increase imbalance. If we look at this season only the financially struggling Krefeld was below one point per game, every other had at least 1.19. In Finland there were four teams below that threshold. I really can't see what would make the German league more "top-heavy", to me it's just an excuse.
 
Money is the way to rank pro leagues.

More pay equals better teams.
Not in european hockey! NHL is the most dominant league in the world and 90% of best players ae there. With the result that top talents in Finland or Sweden are much better than e.g. expensive NA-Playern in DEL oder NLA. Money could make some better, but is not the key in european hockey except the KHL.
 
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For fun... because I feel the NLA is a good league in part due to their imports... so let's see:

Finnish Liiiga scoring leaders (6 out of 10 are Finnish):

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NLA... 4 out of 10 are Swiss (my own bias would like to point out 2 of the top 5 are Czech)



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extraliga... 9 of 10 are Czech

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DEL 2 our of 10 are from Germany

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SEL.. 8 out of 10 are Swedish (and keep in mind how many Swedes leave this league very young to join the NHL)

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Slovak Extralia is 7 out of 10

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Austria 0 out of 10!!!

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For fun... because I feel the NLA is a good league in part due to their imports... so let's see:

Finnish Liiiga scoring leaders (6 out of 10 are Finnish):

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NLA... 4 out of 10 are Swiss (my own bias would like to point out 2 of the top 5 are Czech)



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extraliga... 9 of 10 are Czech

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DEL 2 our of 10 are from Germany

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SEL.. 8 out of 10 are Swedish (and keep in mind how many Swedes leave this league very young to join the NHL)

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Slovak Extralia is 7 out of 10

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Austria 0 out of 10!!!

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Interesting is the U20 Ranking too.
 
League´s & clubs´ management is a key factor when ranking the leagues, their level of play or attractivenes for fans & (better) players. The 2020-21 season was a special one, with pandemic. German DEL performed the worst from top 6 leagues, they started sometimes in December if I am correct, without fans, earlier they refused to play with 20-30% capacity or whatever because it was not good for their business.

SHL was close to "DEL-level", at least they started earlier.

The Czech league (TELH) had some serious issues with pandemic, interrupting a season for a while.

The Swiss NL & Liiga performed better.

Here are total attendance stats for 2020-21 regular season

KHL: 1,38 million fans
Liiga: 295k
NL: 150k
TELH: 41k
SHL: 6k
DEL: 0

Just reminding, the KHL had 680 games while others around 300-400.

It is just another point of view on performing of the leagues.

For comparison, the 2019-20 regular season (NL, SHL, Liiga affected by pandemic /around 10 games/)

KHL: 4,8 million fans
DEL: 2,3 million
SHL: 2,1 million
NL&TELH: 2 million
Liiga: 1,8 million
 

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