You are right. But I'm not saying it's a factor for the US and not for Sweden. It might obviously help Sweden too, who knows. But it's definitely a plus factor for the States, their game will be more natural.
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You are right. But I'm not saying it's a factor for the US and not for Sweden. It might obviously help Sweden too, who knows. But it's definitely a plus factor for the States, their game will be more natural.
Good point there.
To be honest though, you probably don't know who is gonna be on the U-23 roster. A team with Monahan, McDavid, MacKinnon, Eichel, Saad, Gaudreau, Couturier or Jones, Trouba, Hamilton, and Ekblad will definitely not be "destroyed" by Finland or the Czechs.
SanDogBrewin
Righteous bucks!
To that, I will reply, "Okay" with abecause you are entitled to your opinion.
None of the players that will be on the US World Cup team played in any of the tournaments you listed except for the 2014 Olympics where they lost to the eventual Gold Medal winner 1-0. All the other years you mentioned are a moot point when talking about the potential US roster.
Pretty much every player that will play at the World Cup for the US has medaled during there stints with the National U18/U20 teams since 2004. Mentioning big ice holds no water and hasn't for quite some time now. Every US born player is now used to playing the bigger international sheets of ice.
Your theory is based on guessing that the Euro All-Stars could win and Russia will win a revenge game. Nothing more than assuming based on an old theory that US born hockey playerscan't do anything on big ice surfaces when they have proven otherwise recently.
They squeaked by Russia, lost to Canada and were crushed by Finland 5-0(?). They beat up on the weak sisters of the tournament - like they always do.
It will hold water until they prove otherwise - which they never have. Again, I believe they would be the 5th best team, in this format, on the Big Ice. It is a moot point since the tournament will be held on NHL sized ice and I believe they have a 40% chance of being in the GMG.
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SanDogBrewin
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No. I am basing it on past performance as opposed to you who is ignoring their inability to win on the big ice and... well... guessing.
You are another NA fans. You are unlikely anti Finland like other NA fans.
But one right.
Finland isnt best in world in ice hockey.
Even they like ice hockey more all americans.
Rabid Ranger
2 is better than one
First of all, this is a bozo tournament that no one cares about. Second, there is very little any relationship performance wise from one tournament to the next. As always, Canada should be the favorite with about three or four other countries capable of winning. The U.S. will have a strong entry from goal out.
I am thinking more how a inexperienced team cope with having to deal with opponents that ought to be more used to handle different kinds of situations. Take the oilers for example, doesn't they lose a great deal of games seemingly unnecessary? And letting in a lot of goals late in the game. To me that is a sign of mental weakness and inability to adjust a game after the situation.
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GotTheMovesLikeJagr
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Several potential players for the Euro team like Kopitar, Grabovski, Vanek, Zuccarello, Bødker, Eller, Nielsen, Girgensons etc. will most likely rather focus on the Olympic qualification tournaments planned for 1–4 September 2016. They would of course still have time to play in the World Cup, but the 2016 version is pure ********.
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1Gold Standard
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apparently the word is if China gets the 2022 games... then the NHL is in for the next 2. anything other than China and the NHL is out.
SB84
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Not sure why a lot of people are down on this tourney. Sure, it's a bit gimmicky but it will surely be entertaining to watch. Interested to see how the U23 Team does, I have a feeling they will surprise a lot of people. Goaltending will be their biggest concern but being underdogs will work to their advantage!
1. Canada
2. Sweden
3. NA U23
4. Russia
5. USA
6. Finland
7. Czech
8. Europe All-Stars
1. Canada
2. Sweden
3. NA U23
4. Russia
5. USA
6. Finland
7. Czech
8. Europe All-Stars
Rabid Ranger
2 is better than one
I personally don't expect the Us finish lower than 4th (there will be no "bronze medal game" if I'm not wrong, so it basically means making the semi-finals).
I already heard somewhere that the groups should be Canada, US, Czechs, Europe All Star, and Finland, Sweden, Russia, NA U-24.
My opinion:
1. Canada
2. USA
3. Sweden
4. Russia
5. NA U-24
6. Europe All-Star
7. Finland
8. Czechs
I already heard somewhere that the groups should be Canada, US, Czechs, Europe All Star, and Finland, Sweden, Russia, NA U-24.
My opinion:
1. Canada
2. USA
3. Sweden
4. Russia
5. NA U-24
6. Europe All-Star
7. Finland
8. Czechs
On the small ice, there is a 40%+ chance the GMG is Canada vs USA. Maybe higher.
varsaku
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This U23 and Euro Left Over team is an interesting idea to make the tournament competitive but this is a very short sighted move. They could replace those teams with actual nations that they could market the product and sport to.
IMO the U23 game will be a very fast paced game considering how young the players are. They are the wild card of this tournament.
If KHL doesn't send their players for the Russian national team, they will do terrible. The KHL will most likely not send their players.
1Gold Standard
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Apparently the Russian Ice Hockey Federation and the KHL have already signed on for the World Cup... so unless that has changed since the last time I heard, or changes in the not too distant future, I think their participation is pretty much guaranteed... but who knows, stranger things have happened. And since I'm not a fan of this gimmicky tournament, I wish one of the Big 6 would tell Bettman where he can shove this gimmicky tournament and torpedo the whole kit and caboodle..the fallout on HF would be pay per view material.
The GM of the Russian NT (Safronov) has stated publicly that it is an important tournament. not as important as next year's World Hockey Championship in Moscow/St. Petersburg, but important nonetheless.
And given the exodus of Russian NT KHLers to the NHL + a few more next summer, you are only looking at 2-3 NT players anyway. I doubt it would be any more than that. but if the KHL changes their mind, my bet is the Russian Ice Hockey Federation will also not allow their NHLers to participate.
