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Post-Game Talk: Rangers vs Islanders 1/21

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I don't think this game was as bad as many are making it out to be. Maybe your expectations are too high?

We are not that much better than the isles, and the player who does make us better didn't play last night.

I did not get the same sense of disgust I got when they played the devils back in early December. Now THAT was atrocious.

Anyway, they need to establish a forecheck against this team or they will burn us again. Best D is a good O. Keep it in their zone.

We could very well be settling back down to flirting with .500 as opposed to making a surge, so I take every win with a grain of alcohol, uh I mean salt.
 
I'm not that upset over the loss, but more upset it was a comeback win by the Isles.

If this was against anybody else I'd have been okay.
 
Blueshirt Special said:
I don't think this game was as bad as many are making it out to be. Maybe your expectations are too high?

We are not that much better than the isles, and the player who does make us better didn't play last night.

I did not get the same sense of disgust I got when they played the devils back in early December. Now THAT was atrocious.

Anyway, they need to establish a forecheck against this team or they will burn us again. Best D is a good O. Keep it in their zone.

We could very well be settling back down to flirting with .500 as opposed to making a surge, so I take every win with a grain of alcohol, uh I mean salt.
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I don't know how bad that game could have been, I didn't watch it. At least we got a point there. Sounds like Lundqvist sucked. How badly could they have been outplayed? Because we were outplayed badly last night except for a few stretches. Almost dominated.
 
Blueshirt Special said:
I did not get the same sense of disgust I got when they played the devils back in early December. Now THAT was atrocious.

Anyway, they need to establish a forecheck against this team or they will burn us again. Best D is a good O. Keep it in their zone.
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My point over the past few games has been that the defensive zone coverage has been slipping. That's going to lead to an inability to pressure the opposition in their zone. You'll see what you started to see against Washington and developed more last night - more and more Ranger running around in their own zone leading to less time in the other zone.

They're not finding their supporting teammates - who are mostly standing just a few feet away in this system - when they get the puck and they're therefore not able to make their transition out. I'm seeing a lot of bang arounds to a teammate with his back turned who can't make a play before he's checked by opposition. Or a Ranger who takes possession will try to skate it out on his own and get checked again. They're also losing a bit of the slot because they're losing control of the D zone in general.

AV and Ulf need to tamp this down. It looks like recidivism to me and should be easy to stop before it gets worse.

If they can get those good D practices back they could make them habitual instead of backsliding when things go well.

Another point I'd like to make is that the Islanders went to the full six-goalie system over the final two minutes of play and it seemed quite effective. The kitchen sink, the bidet, everything was thrown at them and they still kept it out of their net. I just mention this because despite the low regard some here hold for this tactic, it freaking works.
 
I'm shocked there's no "What the HELL is going on with Cam Talbot?" thread.
 
Typical Rangers.......just when you think the have turned it around they do something like this and make you wonder. Oh well on to the next game.
 
I don't think it was that terrible of game, there were just too many guys that didn't play good games tonight.

-I thought Girardi and Mcdonagh played well below there standards
-Zuccarello wasn't as noticeable as he normally is and his whole line just didn't seem to have it going
-Hagelin and Callahan were just kinda 'meh' and seemed to not be able to get in to the flow of the game.

This team is 7-2-1 in their last 10, which is the best streak in the East besides Columbus..... I hope people didn't expect them to win every game the rest of the season.
 
The team defensive coverage has been spotty and inconsistent all season. Not really sure why some people continue to be surprised when it rears its ugly head.
 
Bleed Ranger Blue said:
The team defensive coverage has been spotty and inconsistent all season. Not really sure why some people continue to be surprised when it rears its ugly head.
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It's not surprising but you have to hope the coaches address it quickly, because they just had a good run taking care of their business. They could get back to it pretty easily, hopefully before the panic sets in.
 
Such a strange game given the play of late. Mostly, I'm talking about their puck control. Passes were just a little bit wrong. When they were on, players seemed incapable of receiving them smoothly. Pucks sliding off sticks or bouncing around. Just weird. It was even happening a lot on the powerplay. Generally, the team was out of sync.

I've talked before about games where an entire team is just off, in terms of the ups and downs of anything performance-based. This seemed like one of those games. When you're having problems with puck control and being in sync, the other team will possess the puck more. That's what happened.
 
RGY said:
RICHARDS ****ING SUCKED.

Brassard and Richards line invisible.

Ice the puck late then try to go on offense when they should have dumped and line changed. Then Richards and Hagelin were lazy getting to the bench and Kreider was too quick getting on.
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Islanders were hard on both lines and they wilted.

that is what we (those of us that want more toughness in the line up) are referring to when we pine for more physical players.

Not the knuckle dragging idiots, just tougher guys that will not wilt when the opposing team plays a hard game.
 
LeetchisGod said:
It is unfathomable how this team continues to come out flat against the Islanders and Devils. Pathetic performances against our two biggest rivals time and time again.
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They lend no credence to the importance of these games as anything more than just another game on the schedule.

They say all the right things, but what they say and what they DO tell two vastly different stories.
 
CharlieCharleschuk said:
It's not surprising but you have to hope the coaches address it quickly, because they just had a good run taking care of their business. They could get back to it pretty easily, hopefully before the panic sets in.
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Kind of tough to address when this team doesn't have many good defensive forwards.

And despite all the crap the defensemen get, I think the even bigger problems lie with the forwards.
 
SingnBluesOnBroadway said:
It's a flawed stat and doesn't tell a full story, but:

Del Zotto: -5

Staal: -9

Stralman: -8
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Meh. Since the opening Western trip, Del Zotto is +1 and Staal is -2. Stralman is still -7. My point is that those first 5 games still have an outsized effect on certain players +/- numbers, and that's not even considering the flawed nature of the stat, as you say.
 
Megustaelhockey said:
The implication is that Kreider's lack of situational awareness is what caused the TMM call. He also served the minor.
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And that would be an incorrect implication.

There were 7 Rangers on the ice not including Talbot.

Kreider was not the only extra player.

To blame one player for a what is commonly referred to as a bench penalty is agenda driven.

Nothing more.
 
pld459666 said:
And that would be an incorrect implication.

There were 7 Rangers on the ice not including Talbot.

Kreider was not the only extra player.

To blame one player for a what is commonly referred to as a bench penalty is agenda driven.

Nothing more.
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It doesn't matter that there were 2 extra players on the ice. That penalty doesn't get called at that point in the game if Kreider doesn't play the puck. It was a mistake in over-eagerness, which you can forgive a rookie or young player for making.
 
Something I want to mention about Nash's second goal. I've seen people call what Girardi did a "pump fake"... I don't think it was. I think that he fully intended to clear the puck to the boards, because it's what he's always done for the last 5 years, but he stopped himself. It was less of an intentional fake than it was a moment of indecisiveness caused by forming new habits. Weird moment.
 
GWOW said:
The Isles suck. Massive holes in goal and on defense. They beat us the same way last time and sucked right after. Worst defense, goaltending and PK in the league. Great formula for winning.

This is standard. One-line team who gets pumped when they play in front of more than 346 people.

Once in 26 years. Thats how often these idiots have gotten past the 1st round.
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A lot of anger there. Sorry about that.

When you are losing, you aren't as bad as you appear and when you are winning you aren't as good as you think.

Far and away the Rangers are the stronger team, they just didn't play like it last night. Isles had the jump in their step and the confidence to come back from goals down, as they had done it a bunch of times this season. Would Lundquist have made the difference? Possibly, but maybe not, the Rangers D wasn't strong.

Don't worry-- the same hate you guys have for your underachieving team, we have for our team most of the year. What goes around comes around...
 
this rangers team has been playing good hockey of late. we've had a good run.

better goaltending, a sense of urgency in their play, early leads, a strong pp with timely scoring and deft passing plays and out chancing opponents. thats what got us here.

last night i saw little of that after we took the lead.

the isle played like they wanted it more and perhaps we took the isles a little too lightly after we got up and put it on cruise control. it happens.

let me say this, these piles do have some talent. they arent a terrible team. at all.

good teams learn from bad losses like this.
 
Tawnos said:
Something I want to mention about Nash's second goal. I've seen people call what Girardi did a "pump fake"... I don't think it was. I think that he fully intended to clear the puck to the boards, because it's what he's always done for the last 5 years, but he stopped himself. It was less of an intentional fake than it was a moment of indecisiveness caused by forming new habits. Weird moment.
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That's what I thought. He looked like he was going to clear but saw Nash open for a breakaway.
 
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