egelband
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Rangers definitely lack edge. A shame the only regulars with any grit, Lindberg and Klein, are gone. (Hope Smith comes back). But this may help. Love the "bad cop" idea.
Larry Brooks: Rangers To Hire Lindy Ruff
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Rangers definitely lack edge. A shame the only regulars with any grit, Lindberg and Klein, are gone. (Hope Smith comes back). But this may help. Love the "bad cop" idea.
Beuk--maybe,he seemed overmatched at times, but Ulfie left because he got chance to be head coach of Carolina's AHL team and was just named assistant coach for the Blackhawks. If Samuelsson is such a failure, why does his coaching abilities seem to be in demand? Or is it that any and everything is AVs fault?
And isn't it because the defense has been horrific and needs to be totally revamped? Who knows.
This group did much better than almost anyone expected. Parity means that most teams have holes--it's enormously difficult to make it through 4 rounds of playoffs unless everything goes right. It's a group effort from top to bottom. I'm not going to throw Beuk under the bus for the problems with the defense.
Machinehead
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Yes because Lindy Ruff has shown that he's exactly the kind of guy to not blindly lean on veterans
Tawnos
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I think this will be good. I consider AV to be good for tactics, strategy and personnel management (not in-game), but not so good with motivational ability and in-game management. Ruff isn't necessarily going to help with the in-game stuff, but he always struck me as being a great motivator.
Inferno
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Yes because Lindy Ruff has shown that he's exactly the kind of guy to not blindly lean on veterans
Ruff seems to lean on whoever is playing their best right? Vet or kids?
Need to look at numbers to confirm but I felt like he did that in buffalo.....the stars weren't exactly a young team
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I'd like Ruff as an Arniel replacement. The defensive personnel and structure needed a complete overhaul. This league is all about clogging up lanes and being in position to counter attack with speed. AV has the latter part of it right, but his method to get there is botched. He wants to move up the ice entirely with control of the puck with speed, but that's so hard to do when you're entire team is constantly rotating and shifting positions. You need to keep it simple because the best ways to counter attack with speed is to maintain structure. Breakouts are so freaking important, and we've even seen AV switch it up with have short, structured breakout systems, but then they disappear after a great 10 games and go back to stretch pass/rush happy offense.
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I'm fine with Ruff. Puts heat on AV, and I think right now they are looking to potentially groom a coach for the future when Shestyorkin is the new goalie
RangerLifer
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I know it's meaningless but I like the fact that Ruff had a stint here with this team in the late '80s, early '90s, so he's somewhat familiar with the organization and area. Along with his coaching experience, I think it's a good move.
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Ail
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Wouldn't be hilarious if we spent all of this time hating AV, hoping he gets fired only to have him replaced by Ruff?
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Oscar Lindberg
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To clarify, I don't mean/want Ruff will be the coach when Shestyorkin eventually comes over.
My hope is they are grooming Pesan to be coach, and by the time he is ready to take over, Shestyorkin will be the starter. A new era after Hank
In this scenario, Ruff would be the stopgap between AV and Pesan
I rather hope this is just Ruff trying to stay involved because he didn't get any head coaching offers and he's hoping to get picked up by some team next season
Not really interested in him on the Rangers as head coach. I kind of doubt this is any kind of "AV replacement"
It wouldn't be the first time a former head coach gets a job as an assistant
Not really interested in him on the Rangers as head coach. I kind of doubt this is any kind of "AV replacement"
It wouldn't be the first time a former head coach gets a job as an assistant
RangerLifer
Formerly known as Captain Lindy
Not for nothing, but...... keep in mind that if the main source of this is Larry Brooks, I'd take it with a grain of salt.
Irishguy42
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i think you guys read too much into this
guy needed a job, we needed a steady had to run the D
when time comes for Gorts to make his first HC hire, i dont expect a retread
i will be hoping for hire like Gorton being hired as GM, a guy on the way up who has paid his dues and is more than ready
but that said, Ruff was cheated out of maybe winning a Cup as HC by a rule being called differently than it had been all that season
guy needed a job, we needed a steady had to run the D
when time comes for Gorts to make his first HC hire, i dont expect a retread
i will be hoping for hire like Gorton being hired as GM, a guy on the way up who has paid his dues and is more than ready
but that said, Ruff was cheated out of maybe winning a Cup as HC by a rule being called differently than it had been all that season
Ail
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This is probably what was holding up the official announcement. Expecting a tweet from the official NYR account any time now.
PlamsUnlimited
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Dominik Hasek was. That was his doing that got them that far That team was not impressive at all. But see your point. That was almost 20 years ago now though. I don't know if Ruff will be very effective for this team.
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All of these points together make a ton of sense... AV going through two defensive coaches shows me a few things:
a) His system is nearly impossible to grasp for a newbie coach
b) AV's offensive counter attack plan is very hard to integrate with proper defense
c) AV clearly has had the wrong players in the wrong situations
On top of this, Beuk getting fired shows me:
a) Gernander really let the organization down the last couple years when it was known that the defense needed work
b) There was most likely a disconnect between AV and the defense. Whether or not Beuk is involved there, I can't be sure of.
Regardless, the pressure is on AV to start performing. He's not getting his toys anymore, Gorton has successfully child-proofed the bench. Skjei is getting promoted, which in turn means that Staal is most likely going to see a major role reduction. Girardi is gone, and Gorton is going to replace him with younger and more mobile parts. Glass is gone, and AV's going to have to start using the 4th line properly--no more playing the worst NHL players in the league because "the coach trusts them".
The Ruff hiring screams Gorton's partial loss of confidence in AV. This past season was THE season for pretty much any team to win a cup, and the Rangers had just as much a shot as anyone else, and I will also say that getting a cup for a lot of our old core would have made things very different this offseason. Guys with clauses might have waived them for the sake of winning with their dream team, Some guys would be proven to have no say on this team anymore, etc...
I'm ranting, but regardless, I trust Dagoon on this one--AV is on a very short leash. He's gone through TWO defensive coaches, neither one is producing results. Ruff is a proven head coach who knows how to work with talent. AV's seat is VERY hot
He won't adapt mid-game. That's AV's biggest issue outside of double standards when it comes to accountability.
We've seen him get outcoached 4 years in a row and claim we had the lead for or were tied for most of the series... yet they were eliminated in 5 and 6 games in both those series...
Other coaches switch up their tactics against him and AV won't switch.
They all know, the easiest way to turn his system on it's head is to pressure at the red line when the Rangers counter. Teams don't do it all game, but when they do, it's effective.
If you look at the 4 goals Pageau scored... those were coaching missteps.
AV also gets burnt on changes on the fly... but he's masterful when it comes to matchups after a stoppage.
He doesn't do structure defensively with his forwards. He likes to trade chances.
Remember, this guy's success came with Hasek and Miller in their primes. But he's a firebrand. And that's what this team needs.
It's not too dissimilar to the Yeo & Hitchcock situation last year.
Do I think Lindy is the right man for the job? No not really. But he's needed here for sure.
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