so you never liked Graves or Messier because they were skilled guys that fought, Shanahan Avery Dubinsky Callahan also fought when they had too. i'd appreciate them fighting if it meant sticking up for their teammates and or to change the momentum of the game, not to fight the other team' goon... players that turn the other cheek get no respect. if Lafy or Kakko was on the ice and saw Mika get hit on a dirty play, you rather them skate to the bench and to rely on the refs instead of getting involved and being a good teammate