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Confirmed with Link: Rangers Sign Lee Stempniak (1 year, 900K)

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THE BIG WHISTLE said:
But with all that heaviness as you say, it still took the Kings to score 2 double OT goals and one Single OT goal to beat us. In all three of those OT games we had numerous chances to win. The bottom line is the Kings capitalized and we didn't.
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It's easy to remember moments like McD's post that could have changed the series but the fact is the Kings outshot the Rangers 61-25 in 3rd Periods and 36-26 in OTs, or 97-51 in 3rds/OTs.

When the game was on the line the Kings were the significantly better team. Part of that, by my estimation was due to how they physically matched up. How they wore the Rangers down, and how they controlled the puck - by skilled puck movement AND winning the physical battles to keep the puck / get the puck back.
 
The flyers have size should they be considered to win the cup? The oilers have skill should they be considered to win the cup? Like 77 Said we need balance that's all..that's the formula to winning a cup
 
HatTrick Swayze said:
It's easy to remember moments like McD's post that could have changed the series but the fact is the Kings outshot the Rangers 61-25 in 3rd Periods and 36-26 in OTs, or 97-51 in 3rds/OTs.

When the game was on the line the Kings were the significantly better team. Part of that, by my estimation was due to how they physically matched up. How they wore the Rangers down, and how they controlled the puck - by skilled puck movement AND winning the physical battles to keep the puck / get the puck back.
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But than you can also say the rangers speed and skill wore out LA at times.. see it goes both ways
 
Kreider seemed to have a breakaway in every OT.. if he scored on them we would be talking about how skilled fast teams can win cups
 
HatTrick Swayze said:
It's easy to remember moments like McD's post that could have changed the series but the fact is the Kings outshot the Rangers 61-25 in 3rd Periods and 36-26 in OTs, or 97-51 in 3rds/OTs.

When the game was on the line the Kings were the significantly better team. Part of that, by my estimation was due to how they physically matched up. How they wore the Rangers down, and how they controlled the puck - by skilled puck movement AND winning the physical battles to keep the puck / get the puck back.
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I honestly attribute the third period beat downs more to strategy than anything else, which I'm not sure is better or worse. I still think that that series was WAYYYY closer than the outcome. Last year's Ranger club was just really balanced and good.
 
So now we have

Kreider-Stepan-St.Louis
Zuccarello-Brassard-Stempniak
Hagelin-Lombardi-Nash
Glass-Moore-Fast

Looks good to me
 
Beacon said:
College kids might take longer to show what they are worth since they are playing fewer games against older opposition. A 19 year old in juniors is taking a leadership role on his team. A 19 year old in college is behind the team's juniors and seniors.

As a result, a junior player will likely get drafted as a 19 or 20 year old, but a college kid has to wait to get signed until after his junior or senior year.
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http://m.collegehockeyinc.com/node/14

This might belong in another category, but the general trend & AV's love for NCAA players correlate. Could also be thanks to the success of Kreider & Hags, but I've also heard it from Europeans that the juniors and the AHL offer too many games and too few practises to be ideal, and that maybe college hockey is a better way to mold players. Also the human side of it, as I bet junior hockey spare time is filled with x-box, mostly?
Rangers are gonna look like grad school by next year with this pace.
 
CM Lundqvist said:
I highly doubt Rick Nash gets moved into the bottom-6.
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People here get excited any time we sign someone and immediately pencil them higher in the lineup than they should / will be.

Nash
Kreider
St. Louis
Zuccarello

are our top-6 wingers.

Stepan
Brassard

are our top-6 centers.

Hagelin - Miller/Lindberg/Lombardi - Stempniak

will be our third line, barring any trades / more signings (other than our RFAs)
 
I Eat Crow said:
So now we have

Kreider-Stepan-St.Louis
Zuccarello-Brassard-Stempniak
Hagelin-Lombardi-Nash
Glass-Moore-Fast

Looks good to me
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More like

Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Hagelin-Lombardi-MSL
Stempniak-Brassard-Zucc
Glass-Moore-Fast

I think Fast swaps with Stemp as season goes on. Miller eventually comes up and pushes Glass out of the lineup where Glass only suits up for games against goons. Miller pushes Lombardi down to 4th line. But I like Lombardi's speed in between Hags and MSL
 
RGY said:
More like

Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Hagelin-Lombardi-MSL
Stempniak-Brassard-Zucc
Glass-Moore-Fast

I think Fast swaps with Stemp as season goes on. Miller eventually comes up and pushes Glass out of the lineup where Glass only suits up for games against goons. Miller pushes Lombardi down to 4th line. But I like Lombardi's speed in between Hags and MSL
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more like....

Kreider-Stepan-MSL
Zucc-Brassard-Nash
Hagelin-Miller-Stemp
Glass-Moore-Lombardi

I'm against having young players like Fast on the 4th line. They should be getting a lot of ice time developing in the AHL.

I also want to keep Nash on the 2nd line. Maybe he will feel that he'll have less pressure on him to lead the team in scoring.
 
coolbean04 said:
more like....

Kreider-Stepan-MSL
Zucc-Brassard-Nash
Hagelin-Miller-Stemp
Glass-Moore-Lombardi

I'm against having young players like Fast on the 4th line. They should be getting a lot of ice time developing in the AHL.

I also want to keep Nash on the 2nd line. Maybe he will feel that he'll have less pressure on him to lead the team in scoring.
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This is my lineup

Can we stop saying Nash can't play lw? After that playoff what's the harm in sliding him over? He's done it before
 
CM Lundqvist said:
I highly doubt Rick Nash gets moved into the bottom-6.
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SeventySeven said:
People here get excited any time we sign someone and immediately pencil them higher in the lineup than they should / will be.

Nash
Kreider
St. Louis
Zuccarello

are our top-6 wingers.

Stepan
Brassard

are our top-6 centers.

Hagelin - Miller/Lindberg/Lombardi - Stempniak

will be our third line, barring any trades / more signings (other than our RFAs)
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RGY said:
More like

Kreider-Stepan-Nash
Hagelin-Lombardi-MSL
Stempniak-Brassard-Zucc
Glass-Moore-Fast

I think Fast swaps with Stemp as season goes on. Miller eventually comes up and pushes Glass out of the lineup where Glass only suits up for games against goons. Miller pushes Lombardi down to 4th line. But I like Lombardi's speed in between Hags and MSL
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The term "2nd and 3rd line" doesn't really apply with this team. Brassard and Zuccarello were on our "3rd line" last year. Three balanced lines is what got us to the final last year, it's what will bring us back.
 
HatTrick Swayze said:
It's easy to remember moments like McD's post that could have changed the series but the fact is the Kings outshot the Rangers 61-25 in 3rd Periods and 36-26 in OTs, or 97-51 in 3rds/OTs.

When the game was on the line the Kings were the significantly better team. Part of that, by my estimation was due to how they physically matched up. How they wore the Rangers down, and how they controlled the puck - by skilled puck movement AND winning the physical battles to keep the puck / get the puck back.
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That probably had more to do with confidence, experience and the Ranger lack of both.

Aside from clearing the crease area, the Kings size advantage was offset by the Rangers speed advantage.

Size wasnt the issue.
 
GWOW said:
That probably had more to do with confidence, experience and the Ranger lack of both.

Aside from clearing the crease area, the Kings size advantage was offset by the Rangers speed advantage.

Size wasnt the issue.
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I completely disagree, especially regarding experience and confidence being the issue, but I've taken this thread far enough off topic. I will just leave it at that.
 
900k is an amazing contract.. How did we barf so hard with the Glass contract if Stempniak goes for 900k ?
 
The Rangers speed game against the Kings usually had them on their heels for about half the game. After three grueling series the Rangers couldn't sustain it for 60 minute stretches and the Kings size and physical play would take over. How much of a factor that all was is a matter of opinion but to me the longer games went on the more it played into the Kings hands. The Kings did have the experience of already having been there--it factors it. There's a number of reasons why the Kings came out on top--size and physical play was one of them. It was important.

But...the team that goes into training camp is not necessarily going to be the team that starts the season off. There might be changes. It's very very likely that there will be changes at the next trade deadline. The Rangers are a small team now--we'll see how it works. There are also going to be upcoming UFA's next year who might be moved. Staal--potentially Brassard, Talbot. I think the Rangers are a lot more likely to give Zucc a long term contract than Brassard.
 
azaloum90 said:
Basically they'll see how Staal plays then determine his worth...

I personally think that should be wrapped up before the end of the year. Can't see Staal's stock changing in that short of a stint...

Unfortunately, with Skjei sticking in College, and Allen/McIlrath being another season away from actually contending for a low-tier Defense position, we don't have much to bargain against.
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My concern with locking up Staal long-term is that his agent will demand a No-Trade Clause, and although he's the type of player who typically gets one, it's worrisome to have both Girardi and Staal locked up long-term with NTC's. His new contract hasn't even kicked in yet and I already regret giving Girardi the NTC/NMC. He's actually the number one asset I'd want to package in a trade to address the center ice position, but it's now out of the question because of his NTC/NMC. If Staal gets one too, we'll have two defensemen with large cap-hits locked up with NTC's who we simply can't trade if we want/need to, and neither one is our best defenseman.

Who says Allen/McIlrath are a season away? Let's wait until we see them in training camp / exhibition games against actual NHL talent before making that determination. I have a feeling at least one of them will seriously challenge for a spot on the bottom pair, potentially even making either Kevin Klein or John Moore expendable.
 
eco's bones said:
The Rangers speed game against the Kings usually had them on their heels for about half the game. After three grueling series the Rangers couldn't sustain it for 60 minute stretches and the Kings size and physical play would take over. How much of a factor that all was is a matter of opinion but to me the longer games went on the more it played into the Kings hands. The Kings did have the experience of already having been there--it factors it. There's a number of reasons why the Kings came out on top--size and physical play was one of them. It was important.

But...the team that goes into training camp is not necessarily going to be the team that starts the season off. There might be changes. It's very very likely that there will be changes at the next trade deadline. The Rangers are a small team now--we'll see how it works. There are also going to be upcoming UFA's next year who might be moved. Staal--potentially Brassard, Talbot. I think the Rangers are a lot more likely to give Zucc a long term contract than Brassard.
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Fantastic post. Agreed on all points.
 
I'm still really happy with this deal. I've thought of him as a good fit since the 2012 deadline, when he was rumored to be available from the Flames.
 
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