Confirmed with Link: Rangers sign Dan Boyle - 2 yrs / $9M ($4.5AAV)
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broadwayblue
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Inferno
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haohmaru
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A.) How many SHG against with Richards on the ice?
B.) How many quality scoring chances against with Richards on the ice?
C.) How many of those GF/60 are attributable to the other 4 forwards that he consistently played with?
D.) When it mattered most, the playoffs, what were those GF/60 stats again?
Sorry, but I will NOT miss Brad Richards on the PP. At all.
B.) How many quality scoring chances against with Richards on the ice?
C.) How many of those GF/60 are attributable to the other 4 forwards that he consistently played with?
D.) When it mattered most, the playoffs, what were those GF/60 stats again?
Sorry, but I will NOT miss Brad Richards on the PP. At all.
Zil
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A) Re-signing Stralman does not equate to keeping the exact same roster. Going from Stralman to Boyle is an obvious downgrade.
B) Very few moves are going to improve a Stanley Cup runner up. The most likely outcome is a step back.
Tawnos
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Pray this works out.
And from what Gorton said, it sounds like they are looking at Mueller to be on the 4th line with Moore and Glass.
Not confident that we improved. Hope we did.
We are a winger short. Who is slotting into Pouliot's role?
And from what Gorton said, it sounds like they are looking at Mueller to be on the 4th line with Moore and Glass.
Not confident that we improved. Hope we did.
We are a winger short. Who is slotting into Pouliot's role?
SA16
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This data has the flaw that more of "Richards On" corresponds with the top unit while "Richards off" corresponds with the second unit.
Not entirely true if the young guys take another step forward in their development.
They could have signed Stralman. They will most likely lose Staal within 12 months. That's the entire 2nd pair.
Gut feeling that is why Clark and Co. are pushing Skjei to go Pro now.
OverTheCap
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Wow, there were actually periods of time this season when Richards was off the ice during a PP? To me it seems like he was on for the full 2 minutes every damn time. I won't miss that frustration, that's for sure.
On the Brass line? Have to think Nash or Kreider slots in there. I think Fast and Miller are gonna have to play on the 3rd line with Nash, Kreider, MSL or Hags.
Zil
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Stralman was a core player so your point about the ceiling is void. We're heading back toward being a playoff bubble team unless we get miraculous steps forward out of the Miller/Fast/Lindberg/McIlrath group.
Tawnos
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The defensive core is McDonagh-Girardi-Staal. Stralman was great here, but he wasn't part of the core. As long as those three guys are playing in front of Hank, this is a playoff team. It just so happens that our defensive depth, even without Stralman, is still very, very good. That will keep us off of the bubble.
The guy is an excellent skater. His biggest issue is something the Rangers D can cover, and that is that Boyle has a tough time defending bigger skilled forwards.
He doesn't have to do that with McD-G and Staal and Klein all capable of handling those minutes. Boyle gets insulated here as a number 4 D.
He was the number 1 D in SJ for a perennial contender in SJ for the last 6 years. I know the mindset of the average fan is that if a guy is old then he must be slow, that's not the case with him nor MSL.
The Rangers can ice Staal-Klein on tougher match ups to cover Boyle's weakpoint.
The Rangers finally have that offensive RHD that they've needed for years.
Stralman as a number 4 D with 13 points a year vs Boyle as a number 4 D at ~40 points a year and a better PP with the same cap hit and less term.
The Rangers upgraded their defense.
The bigger concern should be about getting the appropriate forwards and RH shots upfront. The Tanner Glass signing is a classic stupid UFA move.
cd211
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come on..
If losing Boyle, stralman and benny poo is detrimental to our success next year than we were ****ed to begin with. come on really. Two third/4th liners and one of our top 4 dman. It's about time we let the young guns show us what they got. Miller/Lindberg Fast/Kristo one of each will make the squad..
also boyle is a pp guy, and still has gas in the tank.. hes playing with staal, which our dcore is top 5 in the league.. geezzz were NYR fans, be happy for once, regardless of the moves poeple still *****.. start rooting for another team.. Islanders will be in brooklyn sooner then later
Kreider - Stepan - Nash
Hagelin - Miller - St. Louis
x - Brassard - Zuccarello
Glass - Moore - Mueller
I would imagine the lines stay mostly together as they were.
My suspicion, based on what Gorton said, they'll be hoping Duclair forces their hand in camp to keep him.
He said they aren't committed one way or the other on him at this point (Junior or NHL) and said "if he is healthy" he would be a fit based on his speed and skill.
In an interview today, he was asked about another winger. My interpretation is they would like to add one, but its all dependent on the RFAs.
Putting the puzzle together, I think we can figure out who their favorites are.
Fast is OK, but more suited in a defensive role on a 4th line RW. But if we want scoring depth, Duclair would be the option if he can improve his strength this summer. Which he said he is going to do.
Unless there is a trade, that spot is wide open.
Anthony Duclair
Ryan Haggerty
Danny Kristo
Jesper Fast
Lindberg stays in HTF, IMO and develops as Moore's successor.
One of these guys has to grab it and take ownership.
StepansLabyrinth
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I'd like to see:
Kreider-Stepan-MSL
Nash-Brassard-Zuke
Hagelin-Miller-Kristo
Fast-Moore-Glass
I wouldn't mind keeping Stepan with Nash/Kreider but I really feel like the Brassard/Zuke line needs some size. Kristo strikes me as the prospect with the most ready offensive game. I think he battles Duclair, who I would be thrilled to see win a spot. Between Miller, Duclair, Kristo, Lindberg, Haggerty, and Fast, I'm thrilled with the amount of young talent that's virtually NHL ready.
Kreider-Stepan-MSL
Nash-Brassard-Zuke
Hagelin-Miller-Kristo
Fast-Moore-Glass
I wouldn't mind keeping Stepan with Nash/Kreider but I really feel like the Brassard/Zuke line needs some size. Kristo strikes me as the prospect with the most ready offensive game. I think he battles Duclair, who I would be thrilled to see win a spot. Between Miller, Duclair, Kristo, Lindberg, Haggerty, and Fast, I'm thrilled with the amount of young talent that's virtually NHL ready.
Zil
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We have a fundamental disagreement about the level of play Girardi and Staal offer versus Stralman. You don't care about or trust the numbers. Minus Stralman I don't think we're a Cup contender, nor do I see a clear path back to cup contention for this roster full of large, long term contracts. We're headed back to the treadmill of mediocrity.
How do you think we got to the Final last year? Overwhelming depth in front of Hank was the formula for success. When you come within three overtimes of winning a Cup, you don't turn it over to the likes of Miller/Lindberg/Fast/Kristo. If a single member of that group develops into a top six player it will be a massive turn of good luck.
So I should go root for another team because I hate to see my beloved Rangers blowing a legit shot at Cup contention. That makes a ton of sense.
Boyle always commands a fair bit of respect from opposing players when he was on the powerplay. Some may argue that was because of the passing options he had on such a talent-laden team, and I see that argument as valid, but he also was/is a top talent on the blueline, and he has that threatening shot. The Rangers should be able to make good use of that, if they cannot, I'm not sure how what kind of drawing board they go back to. I'm still a 'I'll believe it when I see it' guy, but it would seem weird to bet against Dan Boyle helping the team sway tight scoring games in our favour just through his PP experience and talent.
RichterWiththeSave
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Tawnos
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I care about the numbers. I just don't think they're anywhere near the end of the conversation. As I said, we traded some of our puck possession for better offensive zone results. It's a gamble, but gambling is the only way to improve a team in this situation. Stralman is a high-end possession driver, but his skill is complimentary to players who are better without the puck than he is. He augments those types of players. That's a valuable player, but not more valuable than the guys he's augmenting.
And, besides, we have exactly two large, long-term contracts on the books. Nash and Lundqvist.
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cd211
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PLAYERS CHOOSE where they want to go and sign.. so we should resign benny pool whos 26-27 been on 6 different teams already to a 5 year contract and $20m?????? with never hitting 20gs or even eclipsing 40pts in their career???????
Stralman is a dman that plays SAFEEEE.. simple game and has a partner that if he didnt get hurt the past few years would be a perennial all-star player.. noway i give that kind of money to him.. Boyle can play and is still a top 4 dman.. im glad for once slats didn't open a blank check today on complimentary players.. if we lost mcd staal or g then i would loose it not stralman..
Boyle wanted to go to tbl bc his wife is from there and he wanted a different role.. give it up its FA for a reason.. its a mutual decision to sign not just the team..
miller wouldve been in the nhl this year if we didnt have the depth we had.. give him the opportunity let him flourish.. good teams have churn, thats why theres a cap in place.. so players move on.. dont say LAK or Chi they've had their core locked up for years now.. wait till Kopitars next deal or Kane/Toews.. those teams will be blown up eventually and loose the depth..
