Zil
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Just because the Capitals made two atrocious deals doesn't mean this wasn't a bad tradeoff.
Confirmed with Link: Rangers sign Dan Boyle - 2 yrs / $9M ($4.5AAV)
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Just because the Capitals made two atrocious deals doesn't mean this wasn't a bad tradeoff.
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I respect taht you're a bigtime Stralman fan BUT you make it seem like Boyle si a worthless piece of crap. yes he is older but its a 2 year deal and we need another offensive defenseman badly and he will help on the PP. I liked Stralman but i wasnt gonna overpay him because he had 1 real good year
Zil
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He had three excellent seasons with us. Three. Just because it took a run to the Final for you to recognize how good he is doesn't mean he only started to be good last year. Boyle would be fine if we had other good possession defensemen. Instead we have Girardi and Klein who are possession abominations. Staal's not a strong possession guy without Stralman. John Moore's not a possession guy either. At this point McDonagh is left to carry almost the entire load.
SA16
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His age really doesn't matter. He's still a very good offensive player and will be a great help to our powerplay and to us keeping plays alive. As good as Stralman was if we kept him we would have had 5 defenseman who bring almost zero offense (Maybe Moore will develop some). That's not enough. We can't only rely on one guy. We'll have him for two years. If he plays well and wants to stay we can keep him. If not we will just get an extra 4.5M cap space to use two years from now. This is not a contract that is going to harm us longterm at all.
Calm down Zil take a breath
I think you are overrating him a bit. I thought he did very well as a Ranger especially this year and i would have liked to keep him but there are other players to consider down the road which is why they probably just gave Boyle two years. I am a Stralman fan but i try to be honest and objective as well
Zil
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Calm down Zil take a breath
Possession stats don't lie. Stralman's one of the best possession defensemen in the league. Just because he bounced around on some bad teams early in his career doesn't mean he's easily replaceable.
RichterWiththeSave
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I wasn't disagreeing with you. Our PP was terrible and Stralman who was known for his offensive game when he was first signed here wasn't capable of handling those duties anymore. Hence bringing in Boyle.
You watch Klein will slide into the Stralzy's spot next to Staal and it will be fine. Boyle will be on the bottom pair with Moore or who ever is in that revolving door 6th spot.
Zil
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Neither of you appear to grasp what possession stats actually are, what Stralman does, or what Boyle does. Boyle's a powerplay specialist. He's not even that great on the pp anymore and he was playing with Thornton, Marleau, Couture, Hertl, etc last year. At even strength he is far inferior to Stralman. Stralman does a lot of subtle things that drive possession like top notch neutral zone defense and excellent outlet passing. Boyle isn't going to be able to fill Stralman's role.
Klein is vastly overrated. Klein's so bad at possession that opponents spend a ton more time in the offensive zone. Giving up a ton of extra opportunities for the opponent to score is going to burn you even if he rarely makes the one big gaff that your eyes are likely to pick up on.
It's similar to baseball and defensive metrics. The guy with superior range who makes a few extra errors is way more valuable than a guy with poor range and sure hands. The rangier guy gets to way more balls which turns into way fewer hits given up even if he makes a few more errors.
RichterWiththeSave
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I haven't watched Boyle all that much...reading here I know less about him then I did going into the thread.
Cynical TyranT
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HatTrick Swayze
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Given that this was essentially inevitable the terms could have been worse.
But I hate everything it signifies. Classic Rangers. Can't wait to hear more 04 Lightning talking points.
But I hate everything it signifies. Classic Rangers. Can't wait to hear more 04 Lightning talking points.
Agreed. Lets face it a lot of our fanbase complains to for the sake of complaining. I man every single game is the same thing. If we go down by 1 the its all "we suck" or "lets tank" and then we come back and win the agme and everyone is praising the team
Agree with all of this, and its not even neccessary to look at stats to support it. Simply pay attention while watching.
I keep trying to make the point that Boyle can't handle the 5v5 minutes, won't kill penalties, and his power play numbers were inflated playing with a superior offensively talented team in San Jose.
Boyle has McCabe and Morris written all over him.
Ok them give Klein the pk minutes cause he's an excellent 3rd pairs d
What's so hard to get about the pp being better now? Richards back there was a liability at times
BlueshirtBlitz
Foolish Samurai
ES play is much more important than PP play.
The Rangers were good on the PP for much of the season.
Boyle is a downgrade.
Yeah, this seems like a stop gap move. Even though Boyle is the type of player that the Rangers need(hard shooting right handed Dman); he is WAY too old for a team that plays quite a bit on quickness/puck possession.
This has bust written all over it. But, if this is Sathers only big "marquee" move; I can live with it.
I just hope he doesn't try to make room for a guy like Statsny.
This has bust written all over it. But, if this is Sathers only big "marquee" move; I can live with it.
I just hope he doesn't try to make room for a guy like Statsny.
Hunter Gathers
The Crown
How do you know the power play is better? They haven't played yet.
Dan Boyle was surrounded by a vastly superior offensive team in San Jose. His power play stats were inflated.
And, you don't pay a guy 4.5 per year to be a 3rd pair power play specialist that may not even improve the power play as planned.
You pay a guy that does everything else 4.5, and trade Staal for the power play upgrade.
That is the smart move.
Not dumping a load of cash onto a player on his last tours.
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