NYR Viper
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If people think McLeod is going to tank this club in his 5 minutes played per game in the 30 games he may play in, the team has much larger concerns.
Confirmed with Link: Rangers sign Cody McLeod to a one year deal
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Inferno
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If he's playing...that's a Quinn thing...the very fact that hes signed is a Gorton thing. I think it's fine to complain about gorts on this one. Even with it just being a 1 year thing the very fact that he's brought in at all shows a disconnect between what is and is not a good hockey player.
NYR Viper
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IMO he's a good guy to have around young guys in the AHL and in case he is needed in the NHL later in the year. The AHL transition away from fighting has been much slower than the NHL.
Kaapo Cabana
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It doesn't if that is actually the case, but we have all seen how plugs get overplayed and are rightfully weary about it.
Another note, why McCleod? There are plenty of other warm body NHL veterans that we can pay for a year to help bring the kids along that can ACTUALLY play hockey. Why not Dominic Moore?
Hunter Gathers
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Right on.
Because the idea isn't to win this year. It's to develop the young guys, not sign any bad contracts, and get the future ready. Dom Moore isn't really a locker room guy at all. Solid 4th liner at this point, but the idea behind McLeod is almost assuredly to provide a good influence on young guys breaking into the league. I don't think the idea is for him to really provide much in terms of hockey skill, hockey talent, or hockey play in general.
Hunter Gathers
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Why do some of you guys keep concerning yourselves with whether he is a good player or not on a team that is clearly determined to develop young talent and clearly wants some folks around them who are simply good influences (and obviously isn't overly caring about winning as of today)? We aren't even going to be competing for a playoff spot let alone anything more than that. I couldn't care less if we signed guys who suck if Gorton thinks that they can help the young guys adjust to the league. Every single thing that's ever been said about McLeod is that he's an absolutely great guy on and off the ice and he clearly busts his ass. If Gorton thinks that kind of mentality can help be cultivated in the youth on the team (it's not like the kids are going to model their game after McLeod, but you want them to learn from his work ethic and such), the signing is worth it on those merits alone.
Your point would be valid if Gorton signed the guy to somehow help the team win now. There's no indication in a single year, cheap deal on f***ing McLeod that would ever point to that.
Tawnos
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I agree with you, but I think the argument is to wonder why Gorton couldnt find someone who brings the things that McLeod does, but also is a decent hockey player. "There are plenty of good players who bust their asses and are good on and off the ice"
Of course, those players arent available for 1 year @ 650k like McLeod was.
Inferno
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You're assuming he's going to the ahl. Why would you assume that based on everything we've seen?
NYR Viper
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Why wouldn't we assume he is going to the AHL at some point? Even if he sits in the press box as a 13th forward that's fine.
Inferno
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Because it seems like people assume in order to be a good influence in the lockerroom you must really suck at hockey. All you people using the...he's a good influence argument are assuming what...hea the only good guy in hockey left? By all accounts Hartnell is a great guy. Is Ie fine with him...he can actually play hockey.
Why is it a good influence to show kids that despite how much you suck at hockey as long as you're a veteran you get to play over me.
THATS the message you want?
I abhor the good locker room argument to keeping garbage hockey players around. There are plenty of good hockey players who are good Influences.
I was under the impression we weren't trading zucc yet because of all this locker room stuff. Is our leadership so poor that we need a worthless player around to fill in that void?
I call bs to this argument. I actually buy the protect the Hartford guys argument a lot more...if he's in Hartford.
I'd rather play a guy like letteri or Nieves or someone like that on the 4th than McLeod.
IF he's just a 13 OR in Hartford then I'm totally fine with this. My issue is it's almost never the case with this organization.
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I was one of the biggest Glass critics, same with pretty much every tougher player they have ever had as the terms in those deals never made sense. I hated the idea of Reeves because I was almost sure he'd get a multi year deal.
I feel a little different about this signing. I don't like it but some addition of this ilk was inevitable as there are likely, just as there are here on the forums, certain factions within the Rangers management hierarchy who were pushing for it.
If they ignored those factions and it turned out, even if incorrectly concluded, that the Rangers were missing out on that element completely and it was effecting the team as a whole, that faction would have been proven correct. That would set up them for the next several years needing a player of this ilk as no longer would there be any doubt whether it was a need or not, again even if concluded incorrectly.
Signing an already known to the team a lesser skill tougher player to a one year cheap deal allows both factions to more or less get what they want. The faction that wanted a tougher guy gets it, the faction that saw little need gets a one year deal that can be buried should the team turn out to not require that element.
I see this as a compromise among management, one that actually leans towards them thinking they do not need this element, yet also one that allows for them to be right or wrong without too many bad repercussions either way.
I feel a little different about this signing. I don't like it but some addition of this ilk was inevitable as there are likely, just as there are here on the forums, certain factions within the Rangers management hierarchy who were pushing for it.
If they ignored those factions and it turned out, even if incorrectly concluded, that the Rangers were missing out on that element completely and it was effecting the team as a whole, that faction would have been proven correct. That would set up them for the next several years needing a player of this ilk as no longer would there be any doubt whether it was a need or not, again even if concluded incorrectly.
Signing an already known to the team a lesser skill tougher player to a one year cheap deal allows both factions to more or less get what they want. The faction that wanted a tougher guy gets it, the faction that saw little need gets a one year deal that can be buried should the team turn out to not require that element.
I see this as a compromise among management, one that actually leans towards them thinking they do not need this element, yet also one that allows for them to be right or wrong without too many bad repercussions either way.
NYR Viper
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Another positive:
The Rangers were PROACTIVE in adding a guy like McLeod to the organization just in case versus waiting until it may have been necessary and then needing to move an asset for another player already under contract elsewhere
The Rangers were PROACTIVE in adding a guy like McLeod to the organization just in case versus waiting until it may have been necessary and then needing to move an asset for another player already under contract elsewhere
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The Rangers are familiar with McLeod and the Rangers pretty much lack any kind of toughness. He's cheap and it's one year. To me Cody's stint with us last year was a failure though--for the most part he was ineffective in his role. Particularly in the game against Nashville he needed to make his presence known......and it didn't happen
Even with this signing I don't see the team as currently comprised being a particularly hard team to play against. I think we're going to get knocked around a lot again. There's not a lot of grit that I can see. I don't like the idea that players like Andersson and Chytil may become targets. I also think a player like Buchnevich would grow more if he were protected more. Maybe Kreider picks up his physical game now that AV is gone but Kreider is not going to defend himself well against the likes of Wilson or Martin. He's just a big, strong physical player. He's not a fighter.
How much it all matters for next year though--I don't know. It seems that the Rangers are willing to take another season to regroup.
Even with this signing I don't see the team as currently comprised being a particularly hard team to play against. I think we're going to get knocked around a lot again. There's not a lot of grit that I can see. I don't like the idea that players like Andersson and Chytil may become targets. I also think a player like Buchnevich would grow more if he were protected more. Maybe Kreider picks up his physical game now that AV is gone but Kreider is not going to defend himself well against the likes of Wilson or Martin. He's just a big, strong physical player. He's not a fighter.
How much it all matters for next year though--I don't know. It seems that the Rangers are willing to take another season to regroup.
NYR Viper
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I think the sport, in its effort to curtail fighting and focus on skill, has bred a lot of players who frankly don't know how to stand up for themselves or assert a physical presence on a consistent basis.
I've never believed it's one or the other. I think there are a lot of people who try to make it that simple, which I think falls in line with human condition to seek simplicity and "yes" or "no" answers. But one of the biggest surprises over the last 10 years or so is the lack of development of players who bring skill and can change a game with their physical presence.
I get it, the game has evolved from carrying enforcers on the team. In reality, I'm not even talking about dropping the gloves per se, but we see repeatedly the value that a good power forward can bring to the game. You would think there would be a greater focus developing those guys.
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I agree, should the "need" have come up, whether or not that "need" was rigorously substantiated, the Rangers would have likely been looking to make a trade for some player who provided what they were looking for, and they probably would have ended up paying way more in assets, or term, or cap hit in comparison to a one year 675K contract.
I think this is shell shock from Glass and all the others, I too agree it's somewhat concerning they still believe it is a need, but this is not a contract or a player who is going to effect how the team is built, they are not going to have to lose a player to the cap partially because of it like they did when they signed both Boyle and Glass to ~6M in combined cap space to multi year deals when both Hagelin and Stralman were going to be up for new contracts before those deals ended.
I dislike defending this move as I too think it's likely to be a waste of ice time and may likely make the 4th line sort of a waste land, but I also really think the Rangers were going to do something along these lines and out of all the things they could have done this is the least consequential.
Tawnos
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I’m happy you posted this, because it’s exactly what I told @Hunter Gathers the argument was.
In regards to Hartnell, I see what you’re saying.. but people continually make this mistake that two players who bring this kind of thing bring it the same way.
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Glad I skipped this thread yesterday and only checked the last few pages. A little surprising but very happy with actual interesting discussion going on. Agree with @NYR Viper and @Hunter Gathers, as it really boils down to the team having a very cheap, very short-term player who's going to be the prime lightning rod for extracurricular stuff (if not a deterrent per se) which in itself gives other player and specifically young prospects a peace of mind to concentrate on their development without looking over the shoulder, hesitating to make a play because of fear.
Hunter Gathers
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If that's what you take away from this, then I question literally everything about your posting in this thread. What the take-away would be is showing the young guys what hard work and professionalism is. Not that they can suck.
This is a 1+1=2 scenario. Not 1+1=dolphin. I'm all for Hartnell, but perhaps he's not willing to sign a one-year deal, perhaps he asked for a lot of money, perhaps the team is more comfortable with a "known", perhaps the team just hates gingers.
Again, if it's December and he's getting ice time over young guys while they are in the pressbox, feel free to bitch and moan. I'd be right there with you.
Hunter Gathers
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I really don't think that Gorton cares about that this year. I don't, either.
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Inferno
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Jonathan do you always have to be such a tool? Seriosuly? The dolphin thing? Questioning everything? Please dude.
The ice time argument doesn't apply here whatsoever. That's a coaching thing. I'm not taking about ice time. I'm taking about signing worthless players. There's the first 1. Second I'm saying there are plenty...PLENTY of players who can play hockey the right way. Work their ass off AND be a good presence in the locker room. That's the other 1. If you think those 2 1s add up to dolphin...then you keep being you bro.
Inferno
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Jonathan's argument.. perhaps this...perhaps that...who cares about this..who cares about that.
My argument. This is what happened...it's stupid
That's basically what it boils down to imho. Either this is a dumbass signing that in an idealistic world doesn't do much because our coach is smart enough to take this crap player given to him by the gm and staple him to the press box. Or....dolphin....apparently.
My argument. This is what happened...it's stupid
That's basically what it boils down to imho. Either this is a dumbass signing that in an idealistic world doesn't do much because our coach is smart enough to take this crap player given to him by the gm and staple him to the press box. Or....dolphin....apparently.
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