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Confirmed with Link: Rangers sign Cody McLeod to a one year deal

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Inferno said:
Jonathan do you always have to be such a tool? Seriosuly? The dolphin thing? Questioning everything? Please dude.

The ice time argument doesn't apply here whatsoever. That's a coaching thing. I'm not taking about ice time. I'm taking about signing worthless players. There's the first 1. Second I'm saying there are plenty...PLENTY of players who can play hockey the right way. Work their ass off AND be a good presence in the locker room. That's the other 1. If you think those 2 1s add up to dolphin...then you keep being you bro.
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Therein lies the rub. If he's providing something that Gorton wants to instill in his roster, he's not worthless to the team (or Gorton). That's what you fail to understand. McLeod is a cruddy hockey player. No one will dispute that. However, it's clear to anyone paying attention that Gorton didn't sign him because he's a great hockey player. He clearly thinks that McLeod can add something to a young roster.

I'll leave your personal attacks to the side.
 
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Inferno said:
Jonathan's argument.. perhaps this...perhaps that...who cares about this..who cares about that.

My argument. This is what happened...it's stupid

That's basically what it boils down to imho. Either this is a dumbass signing that in an idealistic world doesn't do much because our coach is smart enough to take this crap player given to him by the gm and staple him to the press box. Or....dolphin....apparently.
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Or you can take your head out of the sand and realize that guys like this are signed across the league and valued by every team to a certain extent. To a team that isn't competing, I fail to see how a good influence on a one year deal is worth (now) five pages of complaining. :laugh:
 
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Tawnos said:
I agree with you, but I think the argument is to wonder why Gorton couldnt find someone who brings the things that McLeod does, but also is a decent hockey player. "There are plenty of good players who bust their asses and are good on and off the ice"

Of course, those players arent available for 1 year @ 650k like McLeod was.
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You have this great ability to get the message across in a single sentence. No, this is not sarcasm. I truly think you do.
 
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Does he even make 2 mil this year? Is he a consummate professional and leader? People complaining about this move are wrong imo. I'll say that the following idea is debatable:

Tthere were much more expensive long term commitments in FA that the team could have signed for this role. By taking the cheapest possible option with the shortest deal, it signals to me they may be figuring out how little value this "role" has in the NHL. If it were a Tanner Glass contract I'd be pissed at how mind numbingly idiotic that is. This isn't.
 
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What a waste of a roster spot! He better be in the AHL 100% of the time!
 
It's stupid because he's objectively one of the worst players in the league. I don't care about whether the team is trying to compete this year or not it's not an excuse to sign poor players and make bad decisions. As Inferno said McLeod is not the only player in the history of the NHL that can provide leadership and set an example to younger players. We have plenty of cap space and could have paid slightly more for a somewhat competent player that could do the exact same things as McLeod does off the ice still on a one year deal (things we don't even know about and I don't buy as being meaningful anyway).

As someone else mentioned previously if this was a one time thing that would be one thing but this team has shown time and time again that they want this type of player ranging from Orr to Shelley to Brashear to Glass to McLeod and plenty of guys in between. They've done it what they expected to be a good team and now they're still doing it when they are in more of a rebuild.
 
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Edge said:
I think the sport, in its effort to curtail fighting and focus on skill, has bred a lot of players who frankly don't know how to stand up for themselves or assert a physical presence on a consistent basis.

I've never believed it's one or the other. I think there are a lot of people who try to make it that simple, which I think falls in line with human condition to seek simplicity and "yes" or "no" answers. But one of the biggest surprises over the last 10 years or so is the lack of development of players who bring skill and can change a game with their physical presence.

I get it, the game has evolved from carrying enforcers on the team. In reality, I'm not even talking about dropping the gloves per se, but we see repeatedly the value that a good power forward can bring to the game. You would think there would be a greater focus developing those guys.
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Pretty much agree with all of this--fighting is just one aspect of physical play......and with more attention to the concussion issue from year to year I would expect it will continue to drop. That said---a guy like Wilson can be very intimidating. He often enough crosses the line into dirty hits and at the same time he fights really well and he's a pretty decent player. He's an effective player (at least right now) for those reasons and he is a guy I would think a lot of NHL players are at least wary of if not afraid. Someone that big who will hit you up high and from the blind side is someone to be concerned about. Kreider is probably our most physical player but he's not always consistent in that kind of play and I wouldn't want him to make the mistake of dropping the gloves with the wrong guy and Wilson qualifies as one of the wrong guys.

This year's Rangers team is probably going to have a number of very young players. The Rangers need players who will have their back.
 
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It's stupid because he's objectively one of the worst players in the league. I don't care about whether the team is trying to compete this year or not it's not an excuse to sign poor players and make bad decisions. As Inferno said McLeod is not the only player in the history of the NHL that can provide leadership and set an example to younger players. We have plenty of cap space and could have paid slightly more for a somewhat competent player that could do the exact same things as McLeod does off the ice still on a one year deal (things we don't even know about and I don't buy as being meaningful anyway).

As someone else mentioned previously if this was a one time thing that would be one thing but this team has shown time and time again that they want this type of player ranging from Orr to Shelley to Brashear to Glass to McLeod and plenty of guys in between. They've done it what they expected to be a good team and now they're still doing it when they are in more of a rebuild.
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Wish I could like this more than once
 
Reeves got over 5.5 million for 2 years, and he stinks. Komarov, who was pretty bad at the end of his Maple Leaf stint, got 12 million over 4 years. The Rangers were in on both but wouldn't agree to those bad contracts. They were desperate to get some sandpaper in the lineup. McLeod was clearly not their first or second or third choice but was pretty much what was left available. Gorton did a great job not adding a bad contract. If he serves no purpose and is just dreadful Quinn will not play him, and there will be little cost to the team.

While the game has changed, clearly a physical/intimidation element remains- it was a factor for both the Caps and Jets in their impressive playoff runs, and the Rangers as constituted are one of the softer teams in the league.

This whining over this extremely minor move is so overblown but I guess there is not much to talk about this time of year.
 
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TheTakedown said:
how the **** is there 9 pages about this signing? The contract is completely buryable and is for ONE year...
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Yes. This is all true. And if it were just rrue for this year I'd be all whatever. But when has this team not actively tried to sign and play godawful players because of tuffness. Colton Orr, brashear, boogaard, asham, glass, etc etc.

We value worthless hockey players because of tuffness. It's the reason I'm so aggravated. I was hoping this would change. Even if it's a 1 year thing..it clearly hasn't. And next year when we sign another worthless goon this argument will continue again.
 
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Don't like this but it comes down to we don't have any depth at RW for our 4th line. They are probably hoping that one of the young guys like Ronning steps up but for 1 year $750k it is ok.
 
Inferno said:
Yes. This is all true. And if it were just rrue for this year I'd be all whatever. But when has this team not actively tried to sign and play godawful players because of tuffness. Colton Orr, brashear, boogaard, asham, glass, etc etc.

We value worthless hockey players because of tuffness. It's the reason I'm so aggravated. I was hoping this would change. Even if it's a 1 year thing..it clearly hasn't. And next year when we sign another worthless goon this argument will continue again.
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This is what drives me crazy on here. It’s like the whole conversation you had with Jonathan might as well have not happened
 
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