Confirmed with Link: Rangers sign Artemi Panarin (7 years, $11.64M AAV)

[Rangers in 7]

some of the hot takes on this thread are horrendous

 

[TheBPA]

Fair enough, yet that does not make me feel any better about it. Gomez went from a ~70-60 point player to a 38 point player in 4 years.

The point is that the value is not out of line for a top FA, not does a contract at that % cripple the team.

Gomez also put more shots into a goalie’s logo in 1 season than panarin has in his entire career.

 

[Rangerfans]

one things for sure.

this team has a distinct euro flavor now

panarin- rus
kakko- fin
kravtsov-rus-
buch-rus
chytl-czech
mika -swede-ish

the defense is primarily us kids. weird

skjei- usa
trouba-usa
shatty-usa
fox-usa
ADA- usa

USA hockey develops defense and goalies very well.

 

[NYR Viper]

I'm hopeful Gorton continue the plan of accruing draft pics for the next year or two even with the team looking to turn the corner. 2020 and 2021 are (2) drafts where the Rangers should be picking 3-4 times in the first two rounds again. Those picks may not be top-5 or top-10 (although next year is still a possibility as BRB said earlier) but the scouting group should have a few chances to continue adding to the pipeline.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Holy hell what an expensive contract. Goodbye cap space. Seeing all these ridiculous contracts, it's only a question when there will be a new lockout, because the owners and GM's can't keep a budget.

Panarin is a good player, but he's nowhere close to $11.6m good. 7 years?! Classic Rangers. He earns more than Erik Karlsson. Lol.

The odds are very significant that he'll end up better than EK if we look at their overall game over the next 7 seasons.

And I've been very vocal about how this is a dumb risk to take at a bad time. It's a risk that he'll be producing at the level he's being paid even 3 seasons from now. If there is a lockout it won't be until most of this contract is over. Luckily we have a ton coming off the books before it's time to start paying guys like Chytil, Kravtsov, Kakko, etc the big bucks.

My only concern with Panarin is he'll be a shell of himself 3 seasons from now when we actually need a player like Panarin...someone around his talent level will become available and having albatross Panarin will prevent us from making that signing. All so that we can have him this season and next season when the D still sucks and the kids are all too young.

11.6 sounds like an unreasonable number but I think it's more about percentage of the cap.

When you look at the percentage of the cap that elite FA's took up in 2006-2013 I think Panarin is right in line with FA's from that period. The cap is now just so high that contracts that used to be 9 M are now 12. Contracts that used to be 6 or 7 M are now 8 and 9.

I just looked at what an 8 M contract would be in 08. It was about 14% of the cap and Panarin is right there at about 14%

 

[Off Sides]

The point is that the value is not out of line for a top FA, not does a contract at that % cripple the team.

Gomez also put more shots into a goalie’s logo in 1 season than panarin has in his entire career.

Which team has signed an imported UFA to that high of a cap percentage and then gone on to win a Cup?

Chara once?

 

[Rangerfans]

disagree 100% that this means the rebuild is over...this is them picking Panarin @ $11.6 mil over Kreider @ $7 mil...if we extended kreider for 7 years no one would say that the rebuild is over. upgrading 1 spot for not that much difference in money doesn't change the overall plan. again gorton and JD decided that panarin fits into the plan they aren't scrapping the plan.

Everyone would agree that Chris Kreider at 7 million per year is overpayment.
Did we overpay for Panarin? Yes. But his percentage of the cap hit is market price. I don’t mind overpaying a star player 1 million.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

I don't know why he was so dumb as to make a NHL career for the Rangers. If he had played for a good team, he would have had a couple of more Vezinas and probably a cup or two. But he had to be stubborn and loyal. As for the contract, that's what you have to pay when you have no quality in the organization to match the player. Nash wouldn't have had that contract in Columbus, if he had some sort of supporting cast. It's the "our team suck" signing bonus when star players sign for mediocre teams.

But it was his odd choice and he's set for life. Hank still has some hockey left in him, but he's not good enough to save a tire fire as when he was younger.

That's fine and all, but he's severely overpaid and, as I said years ago, the contract is bad.

 

[GAGLine]

I feel the same yet without the trust part.

Selling off good assets and not being good was the easy part, they went right from that to dedicating a larger percentage of cap, and for longer, than they have ever done before on a single player.

They skipped a step and I feel as if that will turn out to be an ongoing flaw.

The large percentage of the cap doesn't worry me that much. We've got some big contracts coming off the books and as of yet, no one that is in line for a big payday. If we add more expensive free agents, then I'll worry. One expensive player isn't going to totally destroy our salary structure.

 

[GAGLine]

Which team has signed an imported UFA to that high of a cap percentage and then gone on to win a Cup?

Chara once?

Let's not conflate "hasn't been done" with "can't be done", because one does not remotely prove the other.

 

[Chimpradamus]

The odds are very significant that he'll end up better than EK if we look at their overall game over the next 7 seasons.

And I've been very vocal about how this is a dumb risk to take at a bad time. It's a risk that he'll be producing at the level he's being paid even 3 seasons from now. If there is a lockout it won't be until most of this contract is over. Luckily we have a ton coming off the books before it's time to start paying guys like Chytil, Kravtsov, Kakko, etc the big bucks.

My only concern with Panarin is he'll be a shell of himself 3 seasons from now when we actually need a player like Panarin...someone around his talent level will become available and having albatross Panarin will prevent us from making that signing. All so that we can have him this season and next season when the D still sucks and the kids are all too young.

11.6 sounds like an unreasonable number but I think it's more about percentage of the cap.

When you look at the percentage of the cap that elite FA's took up in 2006-2013 I think Panarin is right in line with FA's from that period. The cap is now just so high that contracts that used to be 9 M are now 12. Contracts that used to be 6 or 7 M are now 8 and 9.

I just looked at what an 8 M contract would be in 08. It was about 14% of the cap and Panarin is right there at about 14%

Panarin will be nowhere close to the team carrier that Hank was, for a starter. I'm certain he's not worth the money. This is Rick Nash all over again, or any of the other UFAs NYR has bought for the last couple of decades. Panarin isn't a 14% salary cap kind of player, he's an elite piece to complement a 14% kind of player.

Karlsson can dictate a game, Panarin can't.

That's fine and all, but he's severely overpaid and, as I said years ago, the contract is bad.

Sure, but he's the only player on this organization that deserves the final years of overpayment. He has earned it, compared to a bunch of other "stars" who've played for this team. NYR is the kind of franchise to sign a player like Lundqvist for $8.5m after being a legend on some other team. Still after all these years.

If NYR would've been more competitive and had a couple of other players who would aspire for a Conn Smythe, he wouldn't have that contract now. When he's the only Conn Smythe candidate on the team, year after year, that's what you have to pay.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Which team has signed an imported UFA to that high of a cap percentage and then gone on to win a Cup?

Chara once?

The cap period is still so new that the sample size is too low to determine if this is a valid argument. it could just be that we had a period where a few teams were able to dominate (Pitt, Chic, LA) because of draft luck that buoyed them while the rest of the league was figuring out how to win by working around the cap, without a top pick.

We've seen teams like St. Louis Boston, us, Edm (I think), Ott, NJ all make it to the finals or win it more and more in the last 8 years through a more comprehensive team building approach that requires smart trading, drafting and FA acquisitions (some huge, some not).

Going forward, with the reign of the high draft pick teams like Pitt and Chic winding down, I think we'll see more and more teams win it that feature a massive FA acquisition combined with great trades, drafts, etc.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

The cap period is still so new that the sample size is too low to determine if this is a valid argument. it could just be that we had a period where a few teams were able to dominate (Pitt, Chic, LA) because of draft luck that buoyed them while the rest of the league was figuring out how to win by working around the cap, without a top pick.

We've seen teams like St. Louis Boston, us, Edm (I think), Ott, NJ all make it to the finals or win it more and more in the last 8 years through a more comprehensive team building approach that requires smart trading, drafting and FA acquisitions (some huge, some not).

Going forward, with the reign of the high draft pick teams like Pitt and Chic winding down, I think we'll see more and more teams win it that feature a massive FA acquisition combined with great trades, drafts, etc.

To me, the go-forward will be teams building through the draft followed by a big splash or two. The rookie and second contracts will be vitally important.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Panarin will be nowhere close to the team carrier that Hank was, for a starter. I'm certain he's not worth the money. This is Rick Nash all over again, or any of the other UFAs NYR has bought for the last couple of decades. Panarin isn't a 14% salary cap kind of player, he's an elite piece to complement a 14% kind of player.

Karlsson can dictate a game, Panarin can't.

Sure, but he's the only player on this organization that deserves the final years of overpayment.

"Hot takes, here. Get your hot takes here."

Panarin can absolutely dictate a game and he has before. I'm not opposed to the idea that he isn't worth his cap percentage, but this is sort of a moot point until Hank is gone. We need to take advantage of the rookie deals. Unfortunately, Hank's contract really hurts us as we would have dirt cheap goalies to work with.

 

[Off Sides]

The large percentage of the cap doesn't worry me that much. We've got some big contracts coming off the books and as of yet, no one that is in line for a big payday. If we add more expensive free agents, then I'll worry. One expensive player isn't going to totally destroy our salary structure.

They are going to have some issues just signing their RFAs at this point without making some other stuff happen, how does his percentage not worry you much?

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Panarin will be nowhere close to the team carrier that Hank was, for a starter. I'm certain he's not worth the money. This is Rick Nash all over again, or any of the other UFAs NYR has bought for the last couple of decades. Panarin isn't a 14% salary cap kind of player.

It's a diff team, we acquired him in a diff way from Nash and like I said already ( I guess you missed it) I AGREE that it's a dumb risk we are likely taking at the wrong time. I also can see WHY this move was done and how it does absolutely fit into the way the NHL is right now.

I disagree that he's not a 14% cap player. With his point production and age, he's exactly the type of guy that gets paid that as a FA.

In a realistic world he should be getting 10 M and Karlson should've taken 8 for the years that they got.

But this is an NHL FA world and it's not realistic, ever. You have to live in an unrealistic world if you want to correctly assess FA signings.

 

[Algernop Kreider]

I was a big anti-Panarin guy, not because of how good he is (he is), but because I think the Rangers peak is in 3 years and during that time there will be a lot of options the Rangers that we can't see and won't be able to take advantage of now.

However, we're here...he's signed. Its on. Time to move on. Now, they have to move wings for space and continue to do intelligent moves.

This is a reasonable take, but in the flip side, making this move in advance of our window (and taking in the associated risk) does have advantages. While we don't know whatll be available on 3 years, Gorton could end up looking like a genius if the cap increases by then.

 

[NYR Viper]

A thought I had:

Would Toronto have been better off signing Tavares earlier in their rebuild versus last off-season? It would have locked him into a lower cap percentage with the cap rising by the time Matthews and Marner were up for new contracts. Basically, Gorton was able to do just that a full 2 years earlier than the Leafs did the same with Tavares. Kakko and Kravtsov have 3 more years until their ELC's expire and I believe the organization is hoping they become this teams Marner an Matthews moving forward.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

A thought I had:

Would Toronto have been better off signing Tavares earlier in their rebuild versus last off-season? It would have locked him into a lower cap percentage with the cap rising by the time Matthews and Marner were up for new contracts. Basically, Gorton was able to do just that a full 2 years earlier than the Leafs did the same with Tavares. Kakko and Kravtsov have 3 more years until their ELC's expire and I believe the organization is hoping they become this teams Marner an Matthews moving forward.

It's a good question.

For what it's worth, I do not believe this team signs Panarin if we do not land Kakko. I think that lucking into Kakko accelerated all of this.

 

[Greg02]

"Hot takes, here. Get your hot takes here."

Panarin can absolutely dictate a game and he has before. I'm not opposed to the idea that he isn't worth his cap percentage, but this is sort of a moot point until Hank is gone. We need to take advantage of the rookie deals. Unfortunately, Hank's contract really hurts us as we would have dirt cheap goalies to work with.

Let's say Hank's contract ended this past season. What do you do differently now?

A thought I had:

Would Toronto have been better off signing Tavares earlier in their rebuild versus last off-season? It would have locked him into a lower cap percentage with the cap rising by the time Matthews and Marner were up for new contracts. Basically, Gorton was able to do just that a full 2 years earlier than the Leafs did the same with Tavares. Kakko and Kravtsov have 3 more years until their ELC's expire and I believe the organization is hoping they become this teams Marner an Matthews moving forward.

Yes. This is the biggest reason to sign Panarin now, in my opinion. You get your cap hits staggered and give your young players a chance to win a cup on their ELC.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

"Hot takes, here. Get your hot takes here."

Panarin can absolutely dictate a game and he has before. I'm not opposed to the idea that he isn't worth his cap percentage, but this is sort of a moot point until Hank is gone. We need to take advantage of the rookie deals. Unfortunately, Hank's contract really hurts us as we would have dirt cheap goalies to work with.

Im with you in being annoyed at how much hank took for those years, but in order of who's overpaid most, he's maybe 6th on the team behind

Shattenkirk who's overpaid by about 4 M per year compared to what he's brought us

Girardi who is 3.6 M overpaid . Yea...that's right folks who want to buy out Staal and Shattenkirk we're STILL on the hook for that much of Dan Girardi.

Staal who similarly has been overpaid by about 4 M per year compared to what he's brought us the last 2 or 3 seasons.

Smith who is borderline AHL 500k making 4 M right now

Namestnikov who is about 2 M overpaid for what he's bringing us


Hank, imo is overpaid by about 1.5 M and only for the last two seasons when our window was closed anyway. Still he could regress further this year and next year

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Im with you in being annoyed at how much hank took for those years, but in order of who's overpaid most, he's maybe 6th on the team behind

Shattenkirk who's overpaid by about 4 M per year compared to what he's brought us

Girardi who is 3.6 M overpaid . Yea...that's right folks who want to buy out Staal and Shattenkirk we're STILL on the hook for that much of Dan Girardi.

Staal who similarly has been overpaid by about 4 M per year compared to what he's brought us the last 2 or 3 seasons.

Smith who is borderline AHL 500k making 4 M right now

Namestnikov who is about 2 M overpaid for what he's bringing us


Hank, imo is overpaid by about 1.5 M and only for the last two seasons when our window was closed anyway. Still he could regress further this year and next year

I don't think Names is overpaid. I'm fine with his salary.

Right now? Hank is overpaid by about $3-3.5M.

I only mention Hank here since Chimp will literally never, ever say anything bad about him or his contract while shitting on others. He holds certain players of certain nationalities to different standards (if you haven't figured it out, yet).

 

[NYR Viper]

I am going to go out on a limb and say that I think Shattenkirk rebounds this year wherever he is. 35-40 points for him is well within his reach.

 

[Chimpradamus]

It's a diff team, we acquired him in a diff way from Nash and like I said already ( I guess you missed it) I AGREE that it's a dumb risk we are likely taking at the wrong time. I also can see WHY this move was done and how it does absolutely fit into the way the NHL is right now.

I disagree that he's not a 14% cap player. With his point production and age, he's exactly the type of guy that gets paid that as a FA.

In a realistic world he should be getting 10 M and Karlson should've taken 8 for the years that they got.

But this is an NHL FA world and it's not realistic, ever. You have to live in an unrealistic world if you want to correctly assess FA signings.

An unrealistic world. Sure, I agree, except that it's laughable that Karlsson should earn $8m, if Panarin should earn $10m. Karlsson was a PPG player on one leg, twice.

"Hot takes, here. Get your hot takes here."

Panarin can absolutely dictate a game and he has before. I'm not opposed to the idea that he isn't worth his cap percentage, but this is sort of a moot point until Hank is gone. We need to take advantage of the rookie deals. Unfortunately, Hank's contract really hurts us as we would have dirt cheap goalies to work with.

So what? You think Georgiev would be up to being a starter and take the bigger load? It's one thing to be a solid backup, a whole other thing to be the starter. Physically, Hank is fine. He has reportedly said this was his toughest season so far, because of the mentality. I don't get what to be upset about. The team is carved up, the core players basically given away and the team loses? The team is supposed to lose. So what if your goalie underperforms behind a tire fire that is supposed to lose as much as possible? Large portions of the fanbase cheered when the team lost and lost towards the end of the season. But he's supposed to turn things around single handedly? Like old times?

Give him some competent players out there, that are supposed to win and things might look different. He will try to honour his contract, as long as the franchise also wants him to win games, which is what he sees he's paid for.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

It's a good question.

For what it's worth, I do not believe this team signs Panarin if we do not land Kakko. I think that lucking into Kakko accelerated all of this.

Scares me bc it's the same thing we said when Hank and jagr carried that team.

Although the team we had last year was world's better than the one Jagr and Hank carried so we have a much, much, much better base to start from this time