Prospect Info: Rangers Prospects Thread (Stats in Post #1; Updated 5.29.18)

[darko]

Damn.

 

[Kshahdoo]

He played in the MHL final the day before...

 

[Nickmo82]

Damn.

Yikes. That's nuts.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Assuming he was playing for those lower level teams because SKA got booted from the playoffs early?

 

[Alluckks]

They are going to break him

 

[nyr2k2]

Soo lost to Kitchener 7-4 to even that series. Gettinger had 1+1 and was +2, and named the third star.

 

[wafflepadsave]

That was the point all along.

Virta was 21st in scoring and there was only one player younger than him that had more points, Vesalainen who just went in the first round to Winnipeg. Virta had a nice season, even for someone his age. Whether you are impressed by that is up to you. No one is proclaiming him a star in the making.

By just watching the video, maybe he projects as a 3rd line winger.

 

[HFsNumber1Heel]

While I don't fully disagree with your overall point that Nieves might not have a future here, I don't read into the Fogarty/Beleskey transaction. I think they called up Fogarty maybe just to get a quick look, or as a reward for playing hard in the system for a couple years. He has no future with the club (I say that as a Fogarty fan), so it wasn't like they were only calling up guys that were "in the plans." I don't really know why they called up Beleskey other than to take a quick look, but regardless, they know what Nieves is and there'd be no point to bringing him up for a final game when they could take a look at someone else.

I totally get the Fogarty thing, it was a Thank You/Reward for all of the hard work and how he's been a model citizen; story for his grand kids because he probably won't get another shot as an NHL player. Beleskey was a little more of a head scratcher but I guess they wanted to take a look and see if he's still an NHL player and he was pretty awful that last game.

Why did they have Holland/Deharnais neither of who will be an NHLer in the future (the fact the DD signed with the KHL so quickly after the season ended supports the fact that he knows his NHL career is over) playing over Nieves after The Letter was sent out? Makes no sense. Even if Boo has warts or deficiencies in his game, he produced more than Holland and if he's part of this team's future, they'd want to get him more reps in. This is why I think they're just not that impressed with him and he's most likely part of a package this summer with a Zuc or Namestnikov, or at best he's the 13th forward out of camp because of waivers.

 

[cwede]

... Beleskey was a little more of a head scratcher but I guess they wanted to take a look and see if he's still an NHL player and he was pretty awful that last game ...

i think Belesleky call up was a simple way to get him out of Hartford, out of the way of the Leedahl/Fontaine/Ronning/ATO guys, for the last week or so, by not sending him back

they got Holland thru waivers, i wish they'd sent him down and recalled Boo to play over Holland/Desharnais, no down side; similarly Lettieri over McLeod/Carey.
but they didn't make the moves by TDL so were stuck with limited callups unless injuries struck

 

[nyr2k2]

Kingston allowed a late goal to Hamilton and was eliminated. Day was scoreless.

 

[2014nyr]

Why did they have Holland/Deharnais neither of who will be an NHLer in the future (the fact the DD signed with the KHL so quickly after the season ended supports the fact that he knows his NHL career is over) playing over Nieves after The Letter was sent out? Makes no sense. Even if Boo has warts or deficiencies in his game, he produced more than Holland and if he's part of this team's future, they'd want to get him more reps in. This is why I think they're just not that impressed with him and he's most likely part of a package this summer with a Zuc or Namestnikov, or at best he's the 13th forward out of camp because of waivers.[/QUOTE]

the holland thing was especially frustrating/baffling. not sure if it was the pedigree he had where the org hoped to ignite a spark or (hopefully) an organizational effort to allow some higher potential prospects to develop together in hfd. holland is freaking horrific at the nhl level. dd was horrible too but i get it. not as much for lias given his game but i think the ahl time was phenominal for chytil. the ahl has less time and space than the nhl for the most part (more choppy game that really shrinks the ice, moreso than prob any other pro league i've seen). between the physicality, aggression, and often limited space i think the ahl gave chytil an almost perfect NA test environment to assimilate his game - long way of saying it was a higher than nhl intensity version of taking away time n space for him. i expect that to pay off bigtime as he grows into his frame and hopefully realizes/maximizes his skill/vision.

 

[EpicDing]

Assuming he was playing for those lower level teams because SKA got booted from the playoffs early?

Yeah SKA is out.

 

[haveandare]

Why did they have Holland/Deharnais neither of who will be an NHLer in the future (the fact the DD signed with the KHL so quickly after the season ended supports the fact that he knows his NHL career is over) playing over Nieves after The Letter was sent out? Makes no sense. Even if Boo has warts or deficiencies in his game, he produced more than Holland and if he's part of this team's future, they'd want to get him more reps in. This is why I think they're just not that impressed with him and he's most likely part of a package this summer with a Zuc or Namestnikov, or at best he's the 13th forward out of camp because of waivers.

the holland thing was especially frustrating/baffling. not sure if it was the pedigree he had where the org hoped to ignite a spark or (hopefully) an organizational effort to allow some higher potential prospects to develop together in hfd. holland is freaking horrific at the nhl level. dd was horrible too but i get it. not as much for lias given his game but i think the ahl time was phenominal for chytil. the ahl has less time and space than the nhl for the most part (more choppy game that really shrinks the ice, moreso than prob any other pro league i've seen). between the physicality, aggression, and often limited space i think the ahl gave chytil an almost perfect NA test environment to assimilate his game - long way of saying it was a higher than nhl intensity version of taking away time n space for him. i expect that to pay off bigtime as he grows into his frame and hopefully realizes/maximizes his skill/vision.

Yeah I thought that was dumb too. Nieves had ups and down but Holland had just nothing. A total non factor at any point. Nieves had some good rushes at least and made some noise now and then.

 

[Kovalev27]

I literally have no idea why Holland or desharnais were playing over nieves or lettieri at that point of the year. made absolutely zero sense

 

[cwede]

I literally have no idea why Holland or desharnais were playing over nieves or lettieri at that point of the year. made absolutely zero sense

or McLeod or even Carey.
instead of only Holland, they shoulda waived all 4 by TDL;
and given ice time to young guys

 

[nyr2k2]

I was cool with holding onto Carey; not that I'd expect a team to grab him on waivers but it wouldn't have been totally shocking to me. He seems like a decent 4th-line type, so maybe losing him wasn't worth it. The rest of the names mentioned, however, were garbage.

 

[Kovalev27]

I actually can at least make arguments for McLeod (like maybe they wanted a tough guy just incase to protect the kids not that I agree but I can see the argument) carey they actually liked and may be back as a 13th forward he has ties to the BC guys.

but I cannot justify whatsoever what the thought process was of playing Holland and desharnais over your own kids. made no sense then makes no sense now

 

[GAGLine]

I literally have no idea why Holland or desharnais were playing over nieves or lettieri at that point of the year. made absolutely zero sense

Teams are limited to 4 non-emergency call ups after the trade deadline:

2018 NHL Trade Deadline: How does it all work

There are three ways to recall a player to the NHL team who has been loaned to the AHL.

• Once the AHL season is over, any NHL-contracted player can be added to the NHL roster
• There are four regular recall slots available to be used at any time
• There is an unlimited number of emergency recalls to be used to replace injured players

 

[Kaapo Cabana]

Teams are limited to 4 non-emergency call ups after the trade deadline:

2018 NHL Trade Deadline: How does it all work

It is important to remember this.

However, knowing this rule, and knowing we were going to be sellers at the deadline, you would think we would have made some these call-ups before the deadline to save a few of those 4 spots.

At that point, why would we give a shit about losing any one of Deharnais/Carey/Holland/McLeod on waivers?

2 of them we're predetermined to be Chytil and Andersson, so we really only had 2.

being stuck with multiple players who are terrible and have nothing to do wit the future of this franchise is a terrible way to run a hockey team.

EDIT: I don't remember when we claimed McCleod

 

[bobbop]

Sometimes throwing young players into the fire isn’t the best way to develop them. The Coyotes did this with a bunch of young players a while back and several ended up back in the A. Most notable were Kyle Turris and Mikkel Boeddker, who each played a year in the NHL and then spent time back in the AHL. Best to let players develop at their appropriate rate and then bring them to the big show. Force freeing isn’t always a good solution.

 

[Tawnos]

Sometimes throwing young players into the fire isn’t the best way to develop them. The Coyotes did this with a bunch of young players a while back and several ended up back in the A. Most notable were Kyle Turris and Mikkel Boeddker, who each played a year in the NHL and then spent time back in the AHL. Best to let players develop at their appropriate rate and then bring them to the big show. Force freeing isn’t always a good solution.

Im a big believer in prospects earning their spots. I used to think that meant outplaying a vet, but given the value of having ELC and other cost controlled contracts on the roster, I have changed my thought to "tie goes to the young guy." I also have no problem with a rebuilding team leaving spots for prospects to compete over.

 

[Fvital92]

With that ice time I'd be shocked with Lias missing the world championship.

 

[nyr2k2]

Soo won last night. They're up 3-2. Gettinger had a goal, was +2 and had 8 shots. He has 4+12=16 in 16 playoff games.

 

[Tawnos]

Soo won last night. They're up 3-2. Gettinger had a goal, was +2 and had 8 shots. He has 4+12=16 in 16 playoff games.

Personally I think that guy is just as good of a prospect as Ronning.

 

[nyr2k2]

Personally I think that guy is just as good of a prospect as Ronning.

I hesitate at this point to say who is better, but they're definitely in the same tier, the same type of prospect. Potential upside, question marks about their game and how it will translate--skating for Gettinger, size (primarily) for Ronning. If it works out for Gettinger, he could be a nice third line guy with size, physical ability and some scoring potential.