Prospect Info: Rangers Prospects Thread (Stats in Post #1; Updated 12.14.18) *Part III*

[nyr2k2]

I can't believe people want to hate a front office so bad they have to cling on to the nepotism angle. Absurd, see: Drury, Jack.

I'm not pushing the nepotism thing, but the fact that we passed on one guy's son wouldn't disprove the nepotism angle as it pertains to another guy's son. Like, the Drury's might have specifically wanted to be parts of different organizations. I wouldn't want to work with my dad, you know? But maybe the Kjellberg's felt differently, and wanted to be part of the same organization.

I'm not suggesting that's what actually happened. It's just, people use the Drury thing as evidence that nepotism doesn't exist here. Just because it didn't in one instance doesn't mean it didn't in another. Hell, you could have a scenario where the Rangers wanted Drury but Dad said no. Who knows?

 

[mike14]

Tyler Wall named Hockey East player of the week

 

[Edge]

I'm not pushing the nepotism thing, but the fact that we passed on one guy's son wouldn't disprove the nepotism angle as it pertains to another guy's son. Like, the Drury's might have specifically wanted to be parts of different organizations. I wouldn't want to work with my dad, you know? But maybe the Kjellberg's felt differently, and wanted to be part of the same organization.

I'm not suggesting that's what actually happened. It's just, people use the Drury thing as evidence that nepotism doesn't exist here. Just because it didn't in one instance doesn't mean it didn't in another. Hell, you could have a scenario where the Rangers wanted Drury but Dad said no. Who knows?

I think if we have to go into that much detail to have it try to make sense, it probably doesn’t make much sense.

 

[nyr2k2]

I think if we have to go into that much detail to have it try to make sense, it probably doesn’t make much sense.

I don't really think it's much detail. It's basically the false cause fallacy. "Since the Rangers didn't draft Drury, there is no nepotism in the organization." That might be true, but the evidence present doesn't prove it so. Non causa pro causa.

But whatever. I don't want to be in this argument again. It's just that the "Drury disproves the Kjellberg theory" is faulty. That's all.

 

[Edge]

I don't really think it's much detail. It's basically the false cause fallacy. "Since the Rangers didn't draft Drury, there is no nepotism in the organization." That might be true, but the evidence present doesn't prove it so. Non causa pro causa.

But whatever. I don't want to be in this argument again. It's just that the "Drury disproves the Kjellberg theory" is faulty. That's all.

At worst it’s no more faulty than the leap that triggers the conversation in the first place, at best it’s part of a larger string of notations that simply do not support the assertion that people were willing to risk their professional reputations to do a favor to a shot who’s been with the organization for a year.

But like you, I feel we’ve beaten this whole silly point to death.

 

[kovazub94]

I don't really think it's much detail. It's basically the false cause fallacy. "Since the Rangers didn't draft Drury, there is no nepotism in the organization." That might be true, but the evidence present doesn't prove it so. Non causa pro causa.

But whatever. I don't want to be in this argument again. It's just that the "Drury disproves the Kjellberg theory" is faulty. That's all.

Agree. Again, this is a non-issue for me at all but Chris Drury is on a career path to eventually become a GM in the NHL (not necessarily with the Rangers) so I’m 100% sure he wouldn’t want even a hint of nepotism on his resume, risking even a chance that he’d need to face a question.

 

[egelband]

At worst it’s no more faulty than the leap that triggers the conversation in the first place, at best it’s part of a larger string of notations that simply do not support the assertion that people were willing to risk their professional reputations to do a favor to a shot who’s been with the organization for a year.

But like you, I feel we’ve beaten this whole silly point to death.

Exactly. The whole nepotism premise is so far-fetched in the first place. What a stupid rabbit hole. No offense to the big sleuths out there.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

If passing on one's son doesn't disprove nepotism, then drafting someone else's son doesn't prove nepotism either. That's the last thing I'll say about this.

 

[Leetch3]

no one would care who he's related to if we felt he was a good pick. it might explain why they were aware of him when no one else seemed to be but i don't understand why anyone still cares at this point

 

[cozandeffect]

Oof. My Tigers took a drubbing. How'd Veronneau and the other Princeton UDFA candidates look, @coz21?

I was out of town this past weekend so I missed the games. From what I remember of last year, Kuffner, Teves, and Veronneau are the guys to keep an eye on(And you can if you have ESPN+). Kuffner has had an unreal start so I'm interested to watch some more of him coming up. Also I will be at the game on Saturday so I will at least try to focus on Barron for you guys.

 

[sbjnyc]

It's not to **** on RPI. It's a terrific school. The hockey program is mediocre at best. But, the good thing is that Kjellberg got an offer to go play somewhere. I wasn't totally sure it would happen. I was pretty certain it wouldn't come from a big/good program, but still--if he ends up being a decent college player he'll get plenty of minutes at RPI and the opportunity to face some pretty good players. It's a good deal.

Can't believe I missed some chat about my alma mater. RPI used to be a good hockey school until they got screwed with the Hockey East/ECAC split, which I believe at the time meant they followed Ivy League rules (no athletic schlarships). I don't know how it worked in reality but they were not good after that (plus about a third of the team got drafted in '85). Of course it seems to have worked out for Quinnipiac Union Yale etc.

 

[lucky13]

Three pages of going in circles on the same tired conspiracy .... ughhh

 

[nyr2k2]

Chris Nell was reassigned for some reason from Maine to Greenville.

 

[blueshirtbolt]

Just back home from BU vs UConn in Ireland. Adam Huska played well but gave up a couple of messy goals. UConn imploded after the first to be fair so he didn't have much help. Huska was very poised throughout. Smart plays behind his net too and was quite vocal. Didn't do so well when he had any sort of traffic in front of him. BU were a different class. Carpenter would be a fantastic pickup in future.

 

[Irishguy42]

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA WE (RPI) BEAT WALL/LOWELL TONIGHT AHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[nyr2k2]

Worth noting that, at least statistically, Nico Gross is having a nice Sophomore campaign. 3-8-11 in 24 with a +13 compared to 4-10-14 in 58 with a -9. Oshawa has been better this year than last, but they've really only added Eggenberger while losing guys like Commisso and Huether. Their improvement is mainly due to the progress of guys they already had, and Gross is definitely part of that.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

Worth noting that, at least statistically, Nico Gross is having a nice Sophomore campaign. 3-8-11 in 24 with a +13 compared to 4-10-14 in 58 with a -9. Oshawa has been better this year than last, but they've really only added Eggenberger while losing guys like Commisso and Huether. Their improvement is mainly due to the progress of guys they already had, and Gross is definitely part of that.

I don’t know how much NHL hope I have for him, but I think he’s a better player than what he showed last season

 

[nyr2k2]

I don’t know how much NHL hope I have for him, but I think he’s a better player than what he showed last season

All the draft rankings I see had him 56-86, which is quite a bit ahead of where we took him. And the fact that he was playing in the NLB (Swiss 2nd division) at 16 and being productive had some saying he was the best Swiss D prospect since his idol, Roman Josi. Obviously he's no Josi but he's supposed to be pretty solid on the defensive side. I'm going to make it a point to try to catch a few of his games soon.

 

[Justin17]

He reminds me of Hajek

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

All the draft rankings I see had him 56-86, which is quite a bit ahead of where we took him. And the fact that he was playing in the NLB (Swiss 2nd division) at 16 and being productive had some saying he was the best Swiss D prospect since his idol, Roman Josi. Obviously he's no Josi but he's supposed to be pretty solid on the defensive side. I'm going to make it a point to try to catch a few of his games soon.

His draft year situation kind of reminds me of Keane’s, where he was adjusting pretty poorly to a new league, but the difference is Keane went undrafted and Gross did end up getting picked after falling a bit

 

[Joey Bones]

Gross has a mean streak to him, too. I think he was a solid value pick in the 4th and is obviously showing it now.

Kravtsov, Miller, Lundkvist and Keane producing excellently along with Gross and Hughes moderately putting up better numbers than last year, has me really impressed with this draft class right now.

Let's see how Lindbom, Ragnarsson and Pajuniemi rebound from their injuries.

 

[ArPanet]

Virta and Orebro live on Eleven Sports Network tomorrow 11/28 1pm Eastern. ESN channel 623 on DirecTv (dunno if on other providers).

 

[nyr2k2]

Virta and Orebro live on Eleven Sports Network tomorrow 11/28 1pm Eastern. ESN channel 623 on DirecTv (dunno if on other providers).

Thanks. Haven't seen him since the SHL switch but it would be great if he could pick up some points. 1A in 5G, hope he doesn't slip down the lineup or anything.

 

[ArPanet]

Virta and Orebro live on Eleven Sports Network tomorrow 11/28 1pm Eastern. ESN channel 623 on DirecTv (dunno if on other providers).

Also on ESN, Lulea on 11/29 1pm.

 

[Edge]

I don’t know how much NHL hope I have for him, but I think he’s a better player than what he showed last season

Yeah, at this point I get the sense that Gross still doesn’t know what kind of player he is.

I mean it’s nice to see improvement, but what I’ve seen so far doesn’t make me stop and think that I’m looking at a kid who is rounding into an NHL prospect.