Prospect Info: Rangers Prospects Thread (Player Stats in Post #1; Updated 6.16.22)

[LeetchisGod]

1+1 for Othmann.

3-goal night for Will Cuylle. He might catch Othmann who has 41 and in 6 more games than Cuylle.

Lamb had 1+2.

I'm really glad we held on to our top prospects at the deadline. ELCs are worth their weight in gold right now.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

1+1 for Othmann.

3-goal night for Will Cuylle. He might catch Othmann who has 41 and in 6 more games than Cuylle.

Lamb had 1+2.

I think it's hilarious how Cuylle seems like such a better prospect than Andersson.

 

[nyr2k2]

Grubbe has two and Korczak has one.

 

[JimmyG89]

Really like that Lamb is turning it around. He only got the years of HS hockey under his belt. Was he supposed to be a senior this year? Going to be interesting how he moves over to Minnesota next year. Would be nice to have abother late round guy go to college and turn into an asset.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I think it's hilarious how Cuylle seems like such a better prospect than Andersson.

Let's see how Cuylle does at pro hockey first. For reference: When Lias played junior hockey he set the record for most points by a 17 year old in SuperElit.

Love what Cuylle is doing, don't get me wrong, but it's the OHL at age 20 for Cuylle. He is expected to be this dominant.

 

[nyr2k2]

Really like that Lamb is turning it around. He only got the years of HS hockey under his belt. Was he supposed to be a senior this year? Going to be interesting how he moves over to Minnesota next year. Would be nice to have abother late round guy go to college and turn into an asset.

All the stuff I've seen is that Lamb is part of Minnesota's 2023 recruiting class, which means he probably does another USHL year next year.

 

[bhamill]

Let's see how Cuylle does at pro hockey first. For reference: When Lias played junior hockey he set the record for most points by a 17 year old in SuperElit.

Love what Cuylle is doing, don't get me wrong, but it's the OHL at age 20 for Cuylle. He is expected to be this dominant.

I agree with tempering expectations, but Cuylle already looked pretty damn good playing pro in the AHL for a stretch in his D+1.

 

[nyr2k2]

Looking at our guys playing in juniors, NCAA, and Europe, I'd break them down like this:

Exceeded expectations
Cuylle--could be argued he simply met expectations, but he had a weird year last year without playing much, and emerged this year as a force.
Othmann--excellent season.
Boyko--has been very good since early-season trade to Kelowna.
Garand--awesome season, establishing himself as one of top goalie prospects in the game.
Berard--just an all-around excellent performer.
Kjellberg--don't see much there but he still had a very good season offensively.
Ollas--didn't get consistent reps until the new year, but then he played very, very well.
Vaisanen--spent first 2/3 of season in Liiga, and did pretty well for a teenager.

Met expectations
Lamb--his overall season was inconsistent and mildly disappointing, but I didn't have high expectations. He's a project.
Kempf--solid freshman campaign, excited to see how he develops. Another project, good choice to go NCAA route.
Tarnstrom--his J20 perfmance was okay, but he did see a good bit of action down the stretch in the SHL--no production but still a positive step.
Lindbom--some good performances and some bad, but stayed healthy and wasn't pure garbage.

Did not meet expectations
Grubbe--injury recovery or not, he has played over 60 games and just hasn't been good. I like the intangibles, but the performance isn't there.
Korczak--difficult one for me, his season hasn't been bad but wasn't a big step forward; overshadowed by a few draft-eligibles.
Rempe--doesn't look like a legitimate prospect to me; maybe an AHL/ECHL tweener.
Vierling--missing last year set him back; while he has picked it up a bit recently playing under a PPG at his age isn't great. Hasn't shown me much.
Hughes--regressed in terms of production, non-prospect.
Chmelar--didn't know what to expect from him, but by any measure his season in Finland's U20 was not good.
Edstrom--I'm a big fan but I was hoping for a step forward. He wasn't much different than the player we saw last season.
Henriksson--by the end of the year he was turned into a spare in most games. Not seeing progress.

Other
Ciccolini--n/a, missed basically all year.
Aaltonen--had no expectations; non-prospect.
Ragnarsson--good season for him but not a prospect.

 

[bl02]

Looking at our guys playing in juniors, NCAA, and Europe, I'd break them down like this:

Exceeded expectations
Cuylle--could be argued he simply met expectations, but he had a weird year last year without playing much, and emerged this year as a force.
Othmann--excellent season.
Boyko--has been very good since early-season trade to Kelowna.
Garand--awesome season, establishing himself as one of top goalie prospects in the game.
Berard--just an all-around excellent performer.
Kjellberg--don't see much there but he still had a very good season offensively.
Ollas--didn't get consistent reps until the new year, but then he played very, very well.
Vaisanen--spent first 2/3 of season in Liiga, and did pretty well for a teenager.

Met expectations
Lamb--his overall season was inconsistent and mildly disappointing, but I didn't have high expectations. He's a project.
Kempf--solid freshman campaign, excited to see how he develops. Another project, good choice to go NCAA route.
Tarnstrom--his J20 perfmance was okay, but he did see a good bit of action down the stretch in the SHL--no production but still a positive step.
Lindbom--some good performances and some bad, but stayed healthy and wasn't pure garbage.

Did not meet expectations
Grubbe--injury recovery or not, he has played over 60 games and just hasn't been good. I like the intangibles, but the performance isn't there.
Korczak--difficult one for me, his season hasn't been bad but wasn't a big step forward; overshadowed by a few draft-eligibles.
Rempe--doesn't look like a legitimate prospect to me; maybe an AHL/ECHL tweener.
Vierling--missing last year set him back; while he has picked it up a bit recently playing under a PPG at his age isn't great. Hasn't shown me much.
Hughes--regressed in terms of production, non-prospect.
Chmelar--didn't know what to expect from him, but by any measure his season in Finland's U20 was not good.
Edstrom--I'm a big fan but I was hoping for a step forward. He wasn't much different than the player we saw last season.
Hneriksson--by the end of the year he was turned into a spare in most games. Not seeing progress.

Other
Ciccolini--n/a, missed basically all year.
Aaltonen--had no expectations; non-prospect.
Ragnarsson--good season for him but not a prospect.

Not gonna lie a bit disappointing to see 3 center prospects in Vierling, Korczak and Grubbe not doing so great

 

[bhamill]

Agree with you, nyr2k2, and no doubt you are more knowledgeable than me.

I do think that one or two of Lamb, Korczak and Grubbe will end up useful players.

 

[nyr2k2]

Agree with you, nyr2k2, and no doubt you are more knowledgeable than me.

I do think that one or two of Lamb, Korczak and Grubbe will end up useful players.

Korczak's year has been okay--at times he has flashed dominance, but then other times you don't really see much from him for several games. Hopefully he can work on that in Hartford and turn himself into a legitimate middle six center.

Vierling, while his season has been a disappointment IMO, I still hope they give him a contract. He's not doubt talented and hopefully he can catch up and get back on track. The reality though is that two seasons ago, when he last played, he was struggling before being traded which is part of why he dropped in the draft. His overall track record isn't super encouraging, natural talent aside. I don't know how well he'll hold up physically in the pros, either.

I actually feel better about Grubbe's chances, but his upside is pretty low IMO. His game is actually pretty well built for the pros.

 

[Ranger Ric]

Not gonna lie a bit disappointing to see 3 center prospects in Vierling, Korczak and Grubbe not doing so great

Great analysis nyr2k2.

If it were just 3 center prospects being disappointing that would be bad enough but there also is Henriksson, whose game hasn't grown in Sweden and Tarnstrom, who hasn't made a mark yet in the SHL. For all of the good draft picks the Rangers have made they have not had success with centers including Lias Andersson with the exception of Chytil.

I wouldn't give up on Grubbe yet. He had a tough injury and reports I saw indicated he wasn't playing the way he did before the injury. So there is some hope that as he gains confidence he can build on his game. I agree his upside might be low but you also need 3rd and 4th line centers and I think that's what the Rangers thought they were getting with him. Not a lot of 3rd round picks that wind up as top two centers.

The Rangers have to sign Vierling, Ragnassen and Lindbolm by the deadline (had been June 1) or lose their rights. They might have the space to take flyers on Vierling and/or Lindbolm but they have eight players coming up the following year (six even if you exclude Hughes and Aaltonen and the team may want to leave themselves some flexibility for the following year decisions. And that doesn't include Berard who they will want to sign next year.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I agree with tempering expectations, but Cuylle already looked pretty damn good playing pro in the AHL for a stretch in his D+1.

And Ronning had 5 points in 12 games as an 18-year old in Hartford.

Ronning also had 60 points at age 19 in the WHL.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Let's see how Cuylle does at pro hockey first. For reference: When Lias played junior hockey he set the record for most points by a 17 year old in SuperElit.

Love what Cuylle is doing, don't get me wrong, but it's the OHL at age 20 for Cuylle. He is expected to be this dominant.

He just turned 20 last month. He's not an overage player where it was to be expected. He has absolutely played better than most here expected.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

He just turned 20 last month. He's not an overage player where it was to be expected. He has absolutely played better than most here expected.

I never said anything about overage.

Ronning in his D+2 had 60 goals, and had 5 points in 12 games in the AHL in his D+1

Cuylle in his D+2 is on pace for 40-50 goals and had 5 points in 18 games in the AHL in his D+1

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I never said anything about overage.

Ronning in his D+2 had 60 goals, and had 5 points in 12 games in the AHL in his D+1

Cuylle in his D+2 is on pace for 40-50 goals and had 5 points in 18 games in the AHL in his D+1

Yes but you tried to downplay his great season because he's been 20 year old for a bunch of weeks and said it should be expected.

Not sure what Ronning has to do with anything. They are about as opposite type of players you can ever find. Most people knew because of his size he would be an extreme longshot to ever sniff the NHL.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Yes but you tried to downplay his great season because he's been 20 year old for a bunch of weeks and said it should be expected.

Not sure what Ronning has to do with anything. They are about as opposite type of players you can ever find. Most people knew because of his size he would be an extreme longshot to ever sniff the NHL.

I didn't try to downplay his season. Jesus f***ing Christ. This bi-polar fanbase.

You know there's more to it than the 2 extremes right? There's more to it than either expecting him to be a star or downplaying his performance. Cuylle is having a great season, but it's by no means a guarantee for success or make him a better prospect than Lias Andersson (yet). Especially considering it's his D+2 season in the OHL with (albeit limited) pro hockey experience. Let's see what he does in the AHL for a full season because even Ty Ronning had better production than Cuylle at the same age. And he's not an NHL player either.

But yeah, I'm "downplaying his great season"

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I didn't try to downplay his season. Jesus f***ing Christ. This bi-polar fanbase.

You know there's more to it than the 2 extremes right? There's more to it than either expecting him to be a star or downplaying his performance. Cuylle is having a great season, but it's by no means a guarantee for success or make him a better prospect than Lias Andersson (yet). Especially considering it's his D+2 season in the OHL with (albeit limited) pro hockey experience. Let's see what he does in the AHL for a full season because even Ty Ronning had better production than Cuylle at the same age. And he's not an NHL player either.

But yeah, I'm "downplaying his great season"

Talk about bi-polar….

Who the f*** cares what Ronning did. What is your obessesion with trying to compare Cuylle with him

 

[bhamill]

And Ronning had 5 points in 12 games as an 18-year old in Hartford.

Ronning also had 60 points at age 19 in the WHL.

Sure. I’m not saying he’s a world beater/Sue fire star. I’m just saying he looked good in the AHL in his stint. Because you brought up how he’d look against pros…
I personally like his chances WAY better than Ronning’s. Haha.

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

Cuylle may turn out to be a better NHL player, but he’s a worse prospect than Andersson was. By a decent amount.

I know we hate him but Lias was a great prospect. I’d put Cuylle in the “good” category.

 

[NYR Viper]

Both of these things can be true
1) Cuylle has had a great season
2) it doesn’t guarantee success in the NHL

Obviously you can only control so much and all anyone can ask is that a player dominates the league he is in currently. Beyond that they need to work on deficiencies in their games and home their strengths. I’d say this season has been an absolute success for Cuylle and there isn’t much more I would have hoped for from him if anyone had asked prior to the season. It still doesn’t mean he has holes in his game that won’t keep him from the NHL.

 

[nyr2k2]

Cuylle really struggled in his draft year which is why he fell to us. And while he definitely showed encouraging things last season, the reality is he only played 18 games. We want to give a pass to someone like Vierling who didn't play at all, yet the expectation for Cuylle was that he'd step right back into it and dominate because he played 18 games in a comically watered-down AHL? IDK about that.

He came in this year and has improved in basically every facet of the game, and depending on the match up he's one of the 2-3 best players on the ice every night. My hope for Cuylle, as I said in one of the older threads before the season started, was that he'd score in the area of 40 goals. He'll probably blow past that, and he also happens to have 35 assists which is the exact amount he had in his first two OHL seasons combined (125 games). His season has been an unequivocal success, I think, regardless of what anyone expected for him.

 

[OriginalLimbo]

I didn't try to downplay his season. Jesus f***ing Christ. This bi-polar fanbase.

You are obviously frustrated. But. Kind of a dick thing to say about an entire fan base, don‘t you think? A minute percentage even posts here. Let alone acts “bi-polar”.

 

[eco's bones]

One main difference between Ronning and Cuylle are expectations. Ronning was a 7th and tethered to the reputation of his father Cliff who like Ty was very small but also a hell of a hockey player. Not sure Ty gets drafted if it weren’t for his dad’s rep.
To make it Ty really has to do a Conor Garland. He’s really not made for the grind it out of the bottom lines. The skating, hitting, penalty kill stuff. If you’re a smaller player you really have to have attitude like a Yanni Gourde. That’s really not Ty Ronning and FWIW he’s become a pretty good AHL player. Cuylle’s pretty likely to become a bottom 6 NHL player. It’s like all that is already mapped out for him. He has the size, strength, skating ability and the North/South physical style thing already incorporated into his game. Forget how many points he scored in the AHL in 20-21. The most important thing he showed as an underage was he could keep up and the physical part of playing against pros was no problem at all. He even had a couple fights and he did pretty well. I don’t expect him to go straight to the NHL. He’ll still need to refine some things but really someone like a Goodrow type with maybe better shooting skills I think is a fair projection for him.

 

[RangersFan1994]

One main difference between Ronning and Cuylle are expectations. Ronning was a 7th and tethered to the reputation of his father Cliff who like Ty was very small but also a hell of a hockey player. Not sure Ty gets drafted if it weren’t for his dad’s rep.
To make it Ty really has to do a Conor Garland. He’s really not made for the grind it out of the bottom lines. The skating, hitting, penalty kill stuff. If you’re a smaller player you really have to have attitude like a Yanni Gourde. That’s really not Ty Ronning and FWIW he’s become a pretty good AHL player. Cuylle’s pretty likely to become a bottom 6 NHL player. It’s like all that is already mapped out for him. He has the size, strength, skating ability and the North/South physical style thing already incorporated into his game. Forget how many points he scored in the AHL in 20-21. The most important thing he showed as an underage was he could keep up and the physical part of playing against pros was no problem at all. He even had a couple fights and he did pretty well. I don’t expect him to go straight to the NHL. He’ll still need to refine some things but really someone like a Goodrow type with maybe better shooting skills I think is a fair projection for him.

Marcus Foligno type upside with Cuylle??