Prospect Info: Rangers Prospects Thread (Player Stats in Post #1; Updated 6.16.22)

[Amazing Kreiderman]

One main difference between Ronning and Cuylle are expectations. Ronning was a 7th and tethered to the reputation of his father Cliff who like Ty was very small but also a hell of a hockey player. Not sure Ty gets drafted if it weren’t for his dad’s rep.
To make it Ty really has to do a Conor Garland. He’s really not made for the grind it out of the bottom lines. The skating, hitting, penalty kill stuff. If you’re a smaller player you really have to have attitude like a Yanni Gourde. That’s really not Ty Ronning and FWIW he’s become a pretty good AHL player. Cuylle’s pretty likely to become a bottom 6 NHL player. It’s like all that is already mapped out for him. He has the size, strength, skating ability and the North/South physical style thing already incorporated into his game. Forget how many points he scored in the AHL in 20-21. The most important thing he showed as an underage was he could keep up and the physical part of playing against pros was no problem at all. He even had a couple fights and he did pretty well. I don’t expect him to go straight to the NHL. He’ll still need to refine some things but really someone like a Goodrow type with maybe better shooting skills I think is a fair projection for him.

Cuylle is having a great stretch now late in the season which, for me at least, is always a positive. Near the end of the season you tend to see spaces close up, games getting tighter and players struggling to score. Cuylle doesn't seem to be hindered by that which is definitely good to see.

If he can slot in on the bottom-6 in a year or so, that's great value. We need ELCs and cost-controlled contributors with how how cap situation is developing.

 

[nyr2k2]

Ronning has become a solid AHL player, but like I mentioned with Cuylle, last year's AHL season was just...bad. Hartford played two other teams all year (over their 24-game schedule) and one of those teams wasa bad Bridgeport squad. That's why guys like Ronning, Barron, Gettinger, and Reunanen were able to play at close to a PPG. Or why guys like Richards and Khodorenko, as rookies, played at .5 PPG. The league was filled with young guys, a lot of the veteran AHL players either sat out or found jobs overseas. The league, in terms of quality, was somewhere between the normal ECHL and normal AHL.

 

[bhamill]

Ronning has become a solid AHL player, but like I mentioned with Cuylle, last year's AHL season was just...bad. Hartford played two other teams all year (over their 24-game schedule) and one of those teams wasa bad Bridgeport squad. That's why guys like Ronning, Barron, Gettinger, and Reunanen were able to play at close to a PPG. Or why guys like Richards and Khodorenko, as rookies, played at .5 PPG. The league was filled with young guys, a lot of the veteran AHL players either sat out or found jobs overseas. The league, in terms of quality, was somewhere between the normal ECHL and normal AHL.

That makes sense.

 

[duhmetreE]

Is Cuylle physically mature enough to play that style/role in the NHL?

He's obviously a big boy, but it's different playing in juniors.

 

[nyr2k2]

Is Cuylle physically mature enough to play that style/role in the NHL?

He's obviously a big boy, but it's different playing in juniors.

He'd need to adjust to the fact that he's launching himself at grown men and not teenagers, and he will bounce off guys a few times for sure, but in general I think he'll be plenty capable of playing that role in the NHL.

 

[cwede]

Looking at our guys playing in juniors, NCAA, and Europe, I'd break them down like this: ...

thanks for this, a comprehensive, up-to-date snapshot

I won't strictly extrapolate performance to-date (good or poor) to predict success a pro, but, useful to track results Thanks

 

[duhmetreE]

He'd need to adjust to the fact that he's launching himself at grown men and not teenagers, and he will bounce off guys a few times for sure, but in general I think he'll be plenty capable of playing that role in the NHL.

I should have clarified, I meant as in next season. Could he make that jump?

 

[duhmetreE]

Also found something interesting... a random YouTube video was recommended with Nathan Gerbe talking about Swiss Hockey.... they have some really weird systems.... he was really trashing the league/coaches.... it may be one of the reasons why, Othmann had such lackluster production.

 

[nyr2k2]

I should have clarified, I meant as in next season. Could he make that jump?

Oh gotcha. Um, I think he could probably handle the physical rigors of the NHL next year, but for his development we'd probably want him in Hartford. Like a lot of guys who heavily rely on their shot, he'll need to adjust to the speed of the pro game and work on finding those soft spots to shoot. I wouldn't be completely surprised if he saw some action next year, but I don't think it would be more than a cup of coffee. You never know, though.

 

[cwede]

I should have clarified, I meant as in next season. Could he make that jump?

Oh gotcha. Um, I think he could probably handle the physical rigors of the NHL next year, but for his development we'd probably want him in Hartford. Like a lot of guys who heavily rely on their shot, he'll need to adjust to the speed of the pro game and work on finding those soft spots to shoot. I wouldn't be completely surprised if he saw some action next year, but I don't think it would be more than a cup of coffee. You never know, though.

NO reason to hurry Cuylle to NHL.
Drafting teenagers is a long-view game.
Lets not have short memories.
Guys like Lias and Howden would've likely been way more valuable with the big club, if they'd had proper transition time in AHL

 

[duhmetreE]

NO reason to hurry Cuylle to NHL.
Drafting teenagers is a long-view game.
Lets not have short memories.
Guys like Lias and Howden would've likely been way more valuable with the big club, if they'd had proper transition time in AHL

For every Lias, there's also a KAM.

I honestly don't think Lias fell apart because he was rushed. He just wasn't that good. He has major limitations to his game. Howden was not physically ready. That's why I asked about Cuylle. Is he physically ready to play in the NHL?

If he's strong enough and fast enough, I don't see why he can't play. It doesn't mean it will happen unless he comes to camp and puts on a show, similar to KAM.

 

[n8]

with the way our lineup sits, I'd love for players like Cuylle, Othmann, Berard to fully season in Hartford for 1.5-2 years a la Callahan, Anisimov, D.Moore, Fast, Girardi, etc

 

[eco's bones]

Cuylle is having a great stretch now late in the season which, for me at least, is always a positive. Near the end of the season you tend to see spaces close up, games getting tighter and players struggling to score. Cuylle doesn't seem to be hindered by that which is definitely good to see.

If he can slot in on the bottom-6 in a year or so, that's great value. We need ELCs and cost-controlled contributors with how how cap situation is developing.

The Rangers don’t need Cuylle to be a top 6 forward for them. His path with us to go up and down his wing, add the physicality which is a natural part of his game and contribute goals and points when he can. All the things that are kind of already in his wheelhouse. It’s nice he’s scoring all these points in Windsor but I think it’s a distraction as far as the expectations some people start to have. He’s a guy I think we can fit into a role without too much fuss but it’s not really as a top line winger. I expect him in Hartford for most if not all of next year. He’s also like a lot of other of our young guys trade material if the right deal comes along.

 

[Ranger Ric]

Rangers one of finalists for Bobby Trivigno of U. Mass.

 

[cwede]

Rangers one of finalists for Bobby Trivigno of U. Mass.

dunno how connected Mollie may be yet,
but hoping NYR get it done, and quick,

Pack have been 'close but no cigar' often the last few weeks.
and still many more weeks until Othmann/Cuylle/Korczak/Rempe/Grubbe possibly dribble in on ATO's

 

[Ranger Ric]

I wanted to weigh in on the Will Cuylle thread only because I saw all 18 games that he played with Hartford last year.

Yes, it was a crappy season for many reasons and not up to a full AHL caliber -- in part because of the NHL taxi squads -- but it still gave players a chance to show their capabilities.

Cuylle had five points 2-3 in those games. That's somewhat misleading because he only was given 3rd and 4th line minutes and I don't remember him getting any extended power play time if he got any time. So for the most part he was playing with not very offensively talented players.

He held his own. He showed he could skate and be physical. He flashed some skills on a few plays. But he didn't dominate. He did not show himself to be a very creative player with the puck and he would benefit from playing with more skilled players who could highlight his north-south skills.

Although I did not see any of his OHL games he clearly has taken a next step this year. That's a necessary step but not in and of itself a sufficient step. The hockey world is littered with OHL forwards who scored big time in major junior but couldn't make it in the NHL. He'll need time in the real AHL next year playing with forwards who can use his skill set. I see him as a third line left winger who will bang away and score some goals.

I saw someone in the thread suggest Marcus Foligno as a comparison. Foligno is a tough player who always is in the 20-30 point range. I think that comparison make some sense.

 

[RangersFan1994]

Rangers one of finalists for Bobby Trivigno of U. Mass.

Rangers usually get their man. Hopefully he is a city type person

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Rangers one of finalists for Bobby Trivigno of U. Mass.

5'8?

 

[Irishguy42]

5'8?

And?

 

[Ruggs225]

Rangers usually get their man. Hopefully he is a city type person

I feel like the predators are the easiest path to the NHL. But he was a rangers fan growing up and i hope he is like fox and wants to olay here

 

[Irishguy42]

Rangers being a finalist for Trivigno was a foregone conclusion tbh.

I feel like NYR and Trivigno have been linked forever.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

And?

What do you mean and? You realize at that height the chances of him becoming a NHL player are almost zero.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

So are we looking at a possible 3rd liner in Trivigno?

 

[egelband]

NO reason to hurry Cuylle to NHL.
Drafting teenagers is a long-view game.
Lets not have short memories.
Guys like Lias and Howden would've likely been way more valuable with the big club, if they'd had proper transition time in AHL

Hear hear!!

 

[Kaapo Bustfreniere]

I loved Nečas in his draft year but truth be told, that was more familiarity bias than anything else as I lived an hour from Brno and saw him a bunch of times.

I still felt he was a reach at 7 and going with Lias made more sense on draft day to me.

Where did you live? I am from Brno.