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I dont think Othmann is eligible for the AHL, otherwise id agree
Prospect Info: Rangers Prospects Thread (Player Stats in Post #1; Updated 6.16.22)
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I dont think Othmann is eligible for the AHL, otherwise id agree
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Bingo. He changed the way he plays. He told me that it made him more careful and it helped him develop to play a more nuanced game, picking his moments more carefully to be physical. Rempe in the WHL has the same challenges where he often gets called for a game misconduct simply because the kid he hits goes flying into the boards.
When Edström and Rempe were at Rangers camp in 2019 and 2021 respectively, they went up against actual pro players and especially Rempe enjoyed it because he didn't have to hold back. He loved being able to release his hits with full force. Edström in 2019 had a similar experience where he was up against players who not only matched his physicality but even overpowered him at times.
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Not for nothing but Lafreniere has shown big strides and I like what I'm seeing from Kakko in the playoffs. Chytil too is showing at least he's a solid top 9 forward. I think the "Rangers killing their development" is mostly coming from the alleged prospect geniuses on social media.
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And concerning Chytil, he spent significant time in the AHL. The difference with him is that he started there at 18, rather than 20, so he's still 2 years ahead of the curve. He had 40 points in 55 career AHL games, most of those while he was 18. Maybe he could have spent most or all of his 2nd pro season in the AHL, but he played the entire year in the NHL and put up 23 points in 75 games, which is more than respectable for a 19 year old.
We should remember too that Chytil has rarely gotten time in the top 6. The few times he has, he has looked good. The team wants him to be a center and he wants to be a center. But his wingers are usually guys who are still trying to figure it out themselves.
We just need to be patient and let all of these kids continue to grow.
After scoring 50 goals in the reg season, the star probability of Othmann went down from 5% to 4%. With 7 goals in 9 playoff games so far, I am convinced it has now dropped to 3%
Think Jordin Tootoo or Cam Atkinson!?
I like Othman a lot and was never as down on him as most right after the draft. The kid definitely has potential and a solid chance of getting to the pros.
But the big challenge is ahead of him. Its a really tough league to play in for kids right now and many players need a lot of time. I like that Othman is a kid who already has faced a lot of adversity in his career. You must fight really hard to get to a point where you become relevant in the AHL/NHL.
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synopsis of weekend CHL 2nd-round games of NYR prospects
Sunday
Seattle lost, trails 0-1, Rempe scoreless
Othmann 2+1 in a W, Flint leads 2-0
Windsor lost 4-2, series tied 1-1, Cuylle scoreless, -2
Saturday
Kamloops won leads 2-0 Garand stops 23 of 26
Red Deer(Grubbe) shut out by Edmonton, trails 0-2
Moose Jaw(Korczak) shut out 0-7, trail series 0-2
Windsor wins 6-5. leads series 1-0 Cuylee 2A +4
Friday
Medicine Hat lost 6-1, trail 0-1 Korczak 1A
Kamloops won leads 1-0 Garand stops 30 of 31 as #1 Star
Othmann 1+3 in a W, Flint leads 1-0
Thursday
Red Deer(Grubbe) shut out by Edmonton, trails 0-1
Sunday
Seattle lost, trails 0-1, Rempe scoreless
Othmann 2+1 in a W, Flint leads 2-0
Windsor lost 4-2, series tied 1-1, Cuylle scoreless, -2
Saturday
Kamloops won leads 2-0 Garand stops 23 of 26
Red Deer(Grubbe) shut out by Edmonton, trails 0-2
Moose Jaw(Korczak) shut out 0-7, trail series 0-2
Windsor wins 6-5. leads series 1-0 Cuylee 2A +4
Friday
Medicine Hat lost 6-1, trail 0-1 Korczak 1A
Kamloops won leads 1-0 Garand stops 30 of 31 as #1 Star
Othmann 1+3 in a W, Flint leads 1-0
Thursday
Red Deer(Grubbe) shut out by Edmonton, trails 0-1
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Think Jordin Tootoo or Cam Atkinson!?
I like Othman a lot and was never as down on him as most right after the draft. The kid definitely has potential and a solid chance of getting to the pros.
But the big challenge is ahead of him. Its a really tough league to play in for kids right now and many players need a lot of time. I like that Othman is a kid who already has faced a lot of adversity in his career. You must fight really hard to get to a point where you become relevant in the AHL/NHL.
He tries to emulate Kyle Connor. That doesn't necessarily mean he will be that type of player though. I always felt Atkinson is a good comp. Adam Deadmarsh is a comp I have seen thrown around, and Cam Neely.
Stylistically, Neely makes the most sense. I just never bring it up because people immediately jump on it saying "He's never gonna be as good as Neely LOL", not understanding the difference between a stylistic comparison and an upside comparison
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Another angle is that "the Rangers are great at drafting late bloomers and trading their early bloomers" Still miffed the Rangers traded Marc Savard. we gave JT Miller away, etc. I wonder which franchise has the best/worst record with regards to developing their players. Also, some variance for shoo-in prospects like McDavid and absolute garbage busts (but that is harder to judge)
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draft day 1999 still regenerates fear and doubt in me, on every NHL draft day
Burke and Smith. The Sedins. Brendl and Lundmark. Trading away Savard, ( ... and Cloutier and NSundstrom
Maybe Neil's worst day as NYR GM,
Although I rank the Kurri/McSorley/Norstrom deal among the 5 worst since i was a kid fan mid-'60's
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He tries to emulate Kyle Connor. That doesn't necessarily mean he will be that type of player though. I always felt Atkinson is a good comp. Adam Deadmarsh is a comp I have seen thrown around, and Cam Neely.
Stylistically, Neely makes the most sense. I just never bring it up because people immediately jump on it saying "He's never gonna be as good as Neely LOL", not understanding the difference between a stylistic comparison and an upside comparison
From my POV, I am fairly confident that he never will develop the agility to be quite as good at transporting the puck as guys like Atkinson. I also think that he physically never will punishing in the sense of top PF. Like there are still many really strong Ds out there and as a forward you really need to slim down to keep speed and stamina.
In the NHL, heck, I don’t think Buch is a poor comparison to be honest lol. Like just roughly, forechecking, moving the puck, finishing, playing defense, protecting the puck — I would be surprised if he in any way significantly exceeded Buch’s level. Ultimately Buch did a sick job and produced as a top 30-40 forward in the NHL. Othman might of course not get to that level. But in terms of style/skills relative to his overall game.
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Don't think it was actually thin on talent. That seemed like a narrative stemming largely from lack of playing since CV19 hit and the "unknown" about many players. A lot of teams got absolute steals in the late first, through the second and beyond. Just for instance, Beniers looks completely legit, not just a nominally talented center as he was often described. The 1st and 2nd round alone looks like have a wealth of top 6 players. Players fell way too far like Raty, Stankoven, Zellweger, Knies.
I like Othmann, I do. But to me this will always be the draft that the team missed out on getting future top 6 centers or at least a center. And ultimately, a generally disappointing draft by Drury all things considered. And that's not a knock on Othmann, or Korczak whom I kind of like. At least 2-4 of those missed out on, I'm pretty comfortable saying with a very good chance to be legit 1Cs if not studs. But possibly more. And then even with the Othmann pick, the lack of a 2nd round pick hurt a lot. But this would have been the draft to trade back into the 2nd when some names on the board started dropping. Players like Wyatt Johnston, Bolduc, Bourgault in the 1st or, Raty, Stankoven and Pinelli in the 2nd. And that's not even mentioning guys like Svechkov and Lucius, who I don't really have as good a grasp I think on their actual progress right now but had showed well prior to the draft..
Just in the 3rd round, guys picked after Grubbe who I think would have been much better picks. Pastujov, Salminen, Ben Gaudreau, Buyalsky, Bankler, Harrison. And those are just the forwards and a goalie taken in the 3rd round. Korczak, I like the pick. I think he does have a pretty high ceiling.
But overall, I still think this was a relatively disappointing draft by the Rangers, even if Othmann hits. And I think that's going to become even more apparent as time goes on. And it won't just be the Rangers in that boat, but I assume a bunch of teams that jumped the shark. Like Ottawa taking Boucher 10th or whatever. And I get it, a lot of draft picks fail, normally. But there were guys who look like legit future stars at the exact position we need most, center, and their names were fairly known already when Drury chose Othmann. I would still trade Othmann + :Lundkvist + Kravtsov for Johnston right now. And I would equally move him for Raty, Stankoven, probably Bolduc. Bourgault I'm a little iffy on if he will play center in the NHL. But I think he has a chance to be just as good as Othmann, with the possibility of playing center. But I doubt any of their respective teams would accept such offers.
And a draft that had way more talent than the common rhetoric at the time suggested.
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Yeah, and what I especially like with him is that he and his team has focused a lot on playing a style that will benefit him in the pros. Compared to 15 years ago, there is just a lot less room for players to do a lot of damage on the forecheck. Teams that just dump it in and go after the Ds hard won't score many goals. Ds and centers are just so good at getting away from the pressure that you risk playing a lot without the puck if you play that style. But Rögle has done a very good job at getting their heavier wingers to play with the right mind set in this regard. Its kind of like with Matt Martin in NYI. Kind of like Bure always were 'cheating' to get a jump start out of the defensive zone to get a breakaway, what we see from like the Martin-Czisikas-Clutterback line is very similar, but not intended to get a break away, but instead to get a step on a D on a dump in. It takes two things really. The line as a whole must play a predictable stream lined game, and the players must do a good job reading the play. You can't have a player that all of a sudden decides to start to deke with the puck for it to work.
But look at like Martin. 1-2 plays ahead of a dump in, he has already started to build up speed to be able to come streaking down on a D fetching a dumped in puck in the corner. That is why that line at least up until this season was able to stay relevant.
And this is one of the things that has been the key to Rögle's success (winning gold last season for example) in Sweden. They have some heavy wingers (characterized by their Captain Mattias Sjögren, Dennis Everberg, Edström and co), and make them relevant by being able to get them involved really fast on the forecheck.
It becomes very effective when a team like have 3-4 situations in which they always acts in the same way. It often involves 1-2 players that get the puck deep and 1-2 forwards who only focus on getting in position to chase after the Ds. The standard play can be on the break out in the neutral zone when its obvious that a winger is going to get stood up, and the rest instantly focus on building up speed to go after the puck in the corner after a dump in instead of considering options. But also when the puck gets out in the neutral zone because a D fails to keep it in and the team regroups or after a face off when the puck is won back to a D who is pressured fast. If you in some of these situations have very strict rules were you 20 of 20 times make the exact same thing -- dump it in a certain way were the forwards forechecking pursuant to an established pattern -- you can really achieve a level of pressure outside what is normal.
I want to mention this because its highly relevant in relation to Edström's physical game. He have had a fair amount of majors and other incidents that haven't been called but players have been injured. BUT, don't expect a Hollweg type of banger. What all these incidents have in common is basically that Edström have caught players off guard, they just haven't been used to players coming at them as fast and organized as Rögle have the last years.
Ultimately, I think it is hard to disregard that players like Edström have had a very hard time establishing themselves in the NHL. I think that someone like Gettinger have done a good job as a pro, developed well, still it felt like he was pretty far away from contributing in the NHL.
Recon the main question is if he is Swiss American Buch or Swiss Russian Buch?
kinda reminds me of marchand although stylistically its imperfect. but he definitely has a highly abrasive personality that gets him in trouble at times and he'll have to learn to rein in. i think he has a similar edge to him. playing wise i think theyre similarly highly intelligent in how they close on puck carriers and winning puck battles. marchand is a different player offensively but i think like him othmann has similarly underrated skills that will translate and could turn into a far more productive player than anticipated. jordan eberle might be a closer comparison stylistically, just gets pucks in the net, but i do think the way hes wired offers some intriguing possibilities for what his upside could be and is a really important factor in evaluating him.
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If a player isn't a star at 21 we have "killed their development." We live in instant gratification times. The NYR certainly have been an anomaly asfar as the type of team that GETS 1OA or 2OA picks. Their young players aren't thrust into prominent roles and handed top line and power play minutes. So of course they don't put up the big numbers. And let's not forget COVID has impacted everything, including player development. Around 23-24 is the age you can start declaring players like Kakko, Chytil or Laf a bit disappointing, and even then you can make a big mistake giving up on a (formerly) highly regarded prospect. Zibanijad didn't start really putting up numbers till his 25yo, D+8 season...
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NYR's expiring draft rights: Vierling, Lindbom, Ragnarsson
NYR's expiring draft rights: Vierling, Lindbom, Ragnarsson
Thank you!
Hope they sign Vierling. Seems like he would be worth a shot.
That was a terrible trade. The season before failure was blamed on the Rangers not having a second line Center and then Smith trades Ferarro just before the start of the playoffs. Add to that he gives up Nordstrom.
The problem we’ve always had is that we have established players blocking these kids from playing big minutes or a coach that won’t take the established players off of those top lines to give the kids a shot.
