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I can only speak to Barron's timeline since he's who I've watched. Conservatively I think it might be 2022-23 if he takes awhile to adjust to the speed of the game. Pie in the sky he makes it out of camp next year, but he's going to really have to show something. Most realistically I think it will be 2021-22 which will give him a year in the AHL, to adjust to a more professional schedule and hopefully kick some butt to get the confidence up.
 
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Ola said:
How many pts would Barron have to score for it to really get people to raise an eyebrow around the NHL? How many pts do you guys think he can get?
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he is a very good ecac player. he may likely make an all-america team if maintains his pace. he may get to >40 points this year.
but i think NYR fans are optimistically over-estimating how good he may be, and especially how soon

we're seeing that with Keane and Z.Jones and Wall and Huska too
very glad for their success, it positions them to project a higher ceiling as they go through the process
most players are not blue-chip prospects
it is great NYR have so many B+ guys now
 
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cwede said:
he is a very good ecac player. he may likely make an all-america team if maintains his pace. he may get to >40 points this year.
but i think NYR fans are optimistically over-estimating how good he may be, and especially how soon

we're seeing that with Keane and Z.Jones and Wall and Huska too
very glad for their success, it positions them to project a higher ceiling as they go through the process
most players are not blue-chip prospects
it is great NYR have so many B+ guys now
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Not sure what that means but I hope you're not going back to the lazy EZAC-stereotype that is outdated and untrue (St. Lawrence notwithstanding).

I think Barron will be a much better pro than guys like Nieves and Fogarty (who are the only drafted NCAA forwards we've had since 2011 to sign), but he has real work to do to get there.
Ultimately if he can keep up with the pace, I think he'll make it just on the strength of his defense. It's whether the offense translates and I think it will at least in the AHL given he's much more skilled offensively than Fogarty and a lot smarter and more aggressive than Boo and they're both pretty successful AHL guys.

Now he's not ever going to be on a top-line and he might not be skilled enough for a good top-6. Even if he hits his peak he's not better than anyone of our 6 best forwards (Mika, Panarin, Kreider, Buch, Chytil, Kakko), but he could fit very nicely on the 3rd and be a guy that's versatile enough to move up. I just thought of it but the best comp of a current Ranger is probably Fast. Skilled enough to fill in on the Top-6 but better off not, good PKer. Now their skill sets, size, and skating are all different but in terms of level of player, that's pretty close to him maxing his potential.
 
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coz21 said:
Not sure what that means but I hope you're not going back to the lazy EZAC-stereotype that is outdated and untrue (St. Lawrence notwithstanding).

I think Barron will be a much better pro than guys like Nieves and Fogarty (who are the only drafted NCAA forwards we've had since 2011 to sign), but he has real work to do to get there.
Ultimately if he can keep up with the pace, I think he'll make it just on the strength of his defense. It's whether the offense translates and I think it will at least in the AHL given he's much more skilled offensively than Fogarty and a lot smarter and more aggressive than Boo and they're both pretty successful AHL guys.

Now he's not ever going to be on a top-line and he might not be skilled enough for a good top-6. Even if he hits his peak he's not better than anyone of our 6 best forwards (Mika, Panarin, Kreider, Buch, Chytil, Kakko), but he could fit very nicely on the 3rd and be a guy that's versatile enough to move up. I just thought of it but the best comp of a current Ranger is probably Fast. Skilled enough to fill in on the Top-6 but better off not, good PKer. Now their skill sets, size, and skating are all different but in terms of level of player, that's pretty close to him maxing his potential.
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Got to see nico gross play Sunday and once again was impressed with his play. Not a lot of offense there mostly because he’s so defense minded. Kinda reminds me of Barry Beck on the defensive side.
I see him as #6 defensive specialist with a minor in penalty killing. Anybody watch it?
 
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coz21 said:
Not sure what that means but I hope you're not going back to the lazy EZAC-stereotype that is outdated and untrue (St. Lawrence notwithstanding).

I think Barron will be a much better pro than guys like Nieves and Fogarty (who are the only drafted NCAA forwards we've had since 2011 to sign), but he has real work to do to get there.
Ultimately if he can keep up with the pace, I think he'll make it just on the strength of his defense. It's whether the offense translates and I think it will at least in the AHL given he's much more skilled offensively than Fogarty and a lot smarter and more aggressive than Boo and they're both pretty successful AHL guys.

Now he's not ever going to be on a top-line and he might not be skilled enough for a good top-6. Even if he hits his peak he's not better than anyone of our 6 best forwards (Mika, Panarin, Kreider, Buch, Chytil, Kakko), but he could fit very nicely on the 3rd and be a guy that's versatile enough to move up. I just thought of it but the best comp of a current Ranger is probably Fast. Skilled enough to fill in on the Top-6 but better off not, good PKer. Now their skill sets, size, and skating are all different but in terms of level of player, that's pretty close to him maxing his potential.
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Except he plays a very different game. Fast is obviously an excellent defensive specialist who can slide seamlessly into any line. Barron, on the other hand... I’m not going to sabotage him by putting top 6 expectations on him either, but I see a guy with a chance to be a special 3rd liner, who can also be a pillar in front of the net on the PP, due to his size, weight, and hands.

As you say, it all comes down to whether he can keep up with the pace. Will be fascinating to watch during his first training camp...
 
Most everybody doesn’t score much against tight checking teams. Those teams try to win games 2 to 1 and care little about taking offensive chances. Ottawa is now a perfect example of this.

Barron much like Lemieux is something this team lacks. We need more size, grit, north/south players willing to pay the price to score dirty goals.
 
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coz21 said:
Not sure what that means but I hope you're not going back to the lazy EZAC-stereotype that is outdated and untrue (St. Lawrence notwithstanding).

I think Barron will be a much better pro than guys like Nieves and Fogarty (who are the only drafted NCAA forwards we've had since 2011 to sign), but he has real work to do to get there.
Ultimately if he can keep up with the pace, I think he'll make it just on the strength of his defense. It's whether the offense translates and I think it will at least in the AHL given he's much more skilled offensively than Fogarty and a lot smarter and more aggressive than Boo and they're both pretty successful AHL guys.

Now he's not ever going to be on a top-line and he might not be skilled enough for a good top-6. Even if he hits his peak he's not better than anyone of our 6 best forwards (Mika, Panarin, Kreider, Buch, Chytil, Kakko), but he could fit very nicely on the 3rd and be a guy that's versatile enough to move up. I just thought of it but the best comp of a current Ranger is probably Fast. Skilled enough to fill in on the Top-6 but better off not, good PKer. Now their skill sets, size, and skating are all different but in terms of level of player, that's pretty close to him maxing his potential.
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FWIW--it's one of those quirks but Fogarty is very arguably a better AHL player than Nieves is. He's certainly become a much more productive (as far as offense) player. I think what holds him back is he's a very average skater in much the same way that Marek Hrivik was. Nieves is a better NHL player though just because he's able to physically. play at a faster speed. A player's ability to play well at the NHL level is both physical and mental. Sometimes the mental--how quickly they process the game can overcome a speed handicap and Derek Stepan is an example of that. Nieves cannot mentally process the game like Stepan---that's his biggest issue. Fogarty's not quite good enough either but he seems better at it than Nieves. Nieves though is a really good skater and he understands how to play defensively--those are real assets when you're looking at a bottom line player that whatever offensive production you get from is pretty much gravy. So the questions about Barron will revolve around his ability to skate and his ability to process. He seems to be fairly strong on the ability to process. The other factor is both Fogarty and Nieves have been groomed as centers and I look at Barron's pro future as a wing. Centers have more responsibilities and more territory to cover. If Barron does play mostly on the wing as a pro I think it will be an easier process for him.
 
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Nieves blows. I am hoping Gorton at the deadline can acquire some very fast, tough, physical 4th line forwards with size. Our system is void of those types and we badly need a fourth line that can do something. As well as have the speed on that line to give us better pk guys.
 
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usekakkorightquinn said:
Most everybody doesn’t score much against tight checking teams. Those teams try to win games 2 to 1 and care little about taking offensive chances. Ottawa is now a perfect example of this.

Barron much like Lemieux is something this team lacks. We need more size, grit, north/south players willing to pay the price to score dirty goals.
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Barron is not a gritty player....
 
coz21 said:
Not sure what that means but I hope you're not going back to the lazy EZAC-stereotype that is outdated and untrue (St. Lawrence notwithstanding).

I think Barron will be a much better pro than guys like Nieves and Fogarty (who are the only drafted NCAA forwards we've had since 2011 to sign), but he has real work to do to get there.
Ultimately if he can keep up with the pace, I think he'll make it just on the strength of his defense. It's whether the offense translates and I think it will at least in the AHL given he's much more skilled offensively than Fogarty and a lot smarter and more aggressive than Boo and they're both pretty successful AHL guys.

Now he's not ever going to be on a top-line and he might not be skilled enough for a good top-6. Even if he hits his peak he's not better than anyone of our 6 best forwards (Mika, Panarin, Kreider, Buch, Chytil, Kakko), but he could fit very nicely on the 3rd and be a guy that's versatile enough to move up. I just thought of it but the best comp of a current Ranger is probably Fast. Skilled enough to fill in on the Top-6 but better off not, good PKer. Now their skill sets, size, and skating are all different but in terms of level of player, that's pretty close to him maxing his potential.
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Fast isn't very skilled and has terrible offensive instincts.
 
True Blue said:
Yeah, not sure where that came from. Barron has size, but he is hardly a north-south battering ram.
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Right, and he's no slouch. But by all means, he's never going to be Lemieux, lolol....

Like if the poster went back a few pages on this thread to see the goals Barron has scored, he'd realize that Barron doesn't score dirty goals. At least not often....
 
Thought Pronman's commentary on Zac Jones improved skating was noteworthy:

"Zachary Jones, D, New York Rangers
Drafted: No. 68 overall
Jones has been great as a freshman for UMass, as a top defenseman for one of the better teams in the country. Jones had a great junior year last season, showing great skill and offensive creativity and vision. But one criticism from scouts was his average skating ability as a small defenseman. I saw that last season, but watching him this season his skating looks like an asset. He’s able to evade pressure, can close on checks and has the straight-line speed to lead a rush."

Our USHL scouts deserve a ton of credit for picking him, Miller, and Skinner, all of whom are off to great starts as prospects and seem like they would go materially higher in a redraft.
 
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pblawr said:
Thought Pronman's commentary on Zac Jones improved skating was noteworthy:

"Zachary Jones, D, New York Rangers
Drafted: No. 68 overall
Jones has been great as a freshman for UMass, as a top defenseman for one of the better teams in the country. Jones had a great junior year last season, showing great skill and offensive creativity and vision. But one criticism from scouts was his average skating ability as a small defenseman. I saw that last season, but watching him this season his skating looks like an asset. He’s able to evade pressure, can close on checks and has the straight-line speed to lead a rush."

Our USHL scouts deserve a ton of credit for picking him, Miller, and Skinner, all of whom are off to great starts as prospects and seem like they would go materially higher in a redraft.
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Yeah, I thought Jones and Miller were great picks. I admit, I didn't know anything about Skinner. So far, he's looking quite good. I still with he would have gone the NCAA route, but I'm fine with him in London.
 
coz21 said:
... I hope you're not going back to the lazy EZAC-stereotype that is outdated and untrue ... he has real work to do to get there ... if he can keep up with the pace, I think he'll make it just on the strength of his defense. It's whether the offense translates
...Now he's not ever going to be on a top-line and he might not be skilled enough for a good top-6.
... he could fit very nicely on the 3rd and be a guy that's versatile enough to move up. ...Skilled enough to fill in on the Top-6 but better off not, good PKer.
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that was not a dig in any way, please don't 'put words in my mouth'
i am ECAC fan, was in the house in Phila for Skjei's nightmare in '14 [Union's title]

all i meant was it remains to be seen how what he is doing now will translate when he turns pro -
ie we agree! (points made in your post: 'if he can keep up', 'whether the offense translates' 'he might not be skilled enough for a good top-6')

its always a guessing game, despite some overconfident evaluation/projections (+ or -) here at HFB
 
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Thought Pronman's commentary on Zac Jones improved skating was noteworthy:

"Zachary Jones, D, New York Rangers
Drafted: No. 68 overall
Jones has been great as a freshman for UMass, as a top defenseman for one of the better teams in the country. Jones had a great junior year last season, showing great skill and offensive creativity and vision. But one criticism from scouts was his average skating ability as a small defenseman. I saw that last season, but watching him this season his skating looks like an asset. He’s able to evade pressure, can close on checks and has the straight-line speed to lead a rush."

Our USHL scouts deserve a ton of credit for picking him, Miller, and Skinner, all of whom are off to great starts as prospects and seem like they would go materially higher in a redraft.
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Agreed. Outside of Skinner, Miller and Jones have looked incredibly well. Skinner is a pleasant surprise in juniors!!
 
Joey Bones said:
Right, and he's no slouch. But by all means, he's never going to be Lemieux, lolol....

Like if the poster went back a few pages on this thread to see the goals Barron has scored, he'd realize that Barron doesn't score dirty goals. At least not often....
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why do the Rangers like to draft big guys that play small?
 
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