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The sad thing is, at this point it's hard to even know if Lindbom was picked a round too early or was a bad pick, because he can't seem to stay on the freakin' ice long enough.
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True about the inability to evaluate him. Still, with where most pundits had him ranked, he looked like a third round pick. My personal opinion is that the nature of the goalie position, how you can find good ones all over, is that unless you have a stud you don't take him in the top 60. The value isn't great enough compared with what you can get if you hit on a position player.
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Kris King's Ghost
Personally, I wanted Drury there.
I still want that one draft where the Rangers really hit a grand slam.
It seems like there are drafts where we come close, but then swing and miss in key situations.
2018 and 2019 feel like the best opportunities to really have "that" draft.
Tawnos
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It is possible that the Rangers will have gotten almost an entire D corps (5 of 6), plus a 3C and a 4W from the 2016 draft...
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Which is remarkable when you stop and really think about it.
I’ve often pointed to that “reconstructed” 2016 draft as potentially being just as important as 2018 and 2019 (pre-lottery).
CommaSynapse
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Don't forget about Wall, who's posting good numbers in the NCAA this year - 13 games, 1.72 GAA, .944 Sv%.
Right. Powe was a smaller, less effective (if you can believe it) Bill Berg.
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Change is good.
Ugh. I hate to say it, but this is right.
He had a really nice run in his first three years for the Flyers (and kudos to him for that), but he was pretty much ineffectual thereafter.
Hated the Lindbom pick. I wanted Wilde but I don't scout for living. So, mahybe that will turn out to be the right pick. Just didn't agree with what the organization said when they defended the pick by saying goalies have a lot of value. Especially when you didn't have right handed defenseman with size in your system and your system was already stacked with goalies.
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My issue wasn't that they picked Lindbom. My issue was that they picked a goalie in the 2nd round. 3 reasons:
- Goalies are the least valuable/important to a team's lineup. And by that I mean this: The difference in impact on a season between an elite goalie and a good goalie is much smaller than the difference between an elite and good center/winger/D-man.
- On top of that, the value of a non-elite goalie is, at best, a 2nd round pick. There's no value to be had in picking a goalie in the 2nd round. At best, you get back what you paid for it.
- Lastly, goalies are long-term projections and you can easily find goalies in the 5th and 6th round.
To me, there's just no justification to pick a goalie in the 1st, 2nd or 3rd round. Even if that goalie is Askarov, Knight, Vasilevsky or Price. You do not build a team around a goalie if you want to win a Cup
eco's bones
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To me there are exceptions and the group you mention in your last paragraph are among the exceptions. Generally though I agree with what you're saying and to me Lindbom was a reach of a pick we didn't have to make as we still have Henrik, Georgiev had just come off an impressive season ending 10 game stretch, Shesterkin, Huska and Wall which IMO made picking Lindbom where we did completely unnecessary and I think he would have been available in the 3rd and possibly even the 4th round.
In any case goaltending doesn't look to be a big issue for us in the future. Ditto for defense. We have room for more forwards and if there is a tie between a forward and a d-man I would go with the forward. All that said I think Lindbom got off to a pretty good start this year. Unfortunately he's injured again but I don't think he's a terrible prospect.
Tawnos
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I think we’re pretty likely to need a backup goalie in 4 years or so. By then, Lundqvist will be gone and one of Shesterkin or Georgiev will have been traded. If Huska turns out to be starter material, he’s going to end up traded as well, a la Talbot and Raanta. Maybe Wall, maybe not. But it wouldn’t shock me if only 1 of the 4 is a Ranger by the beginning of 23-24.
Not that backups are hard to find, but it’s easier when you can fill that from within. I agree that taking Lindbom wasn’t the right choice in the 2nd round. But goalie was definitely a position it made sense to draft then. With Lindbom’s injury issues, I’d say it’s also a position they’ll need to draft this year. Hopefully they don’t do it any earlier than round 3 though.
UAGoalieGuy
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I think with where the Rangers goalie prospects are, they should be taking another Wall or Huska type goalie that is going into the NCAA in the next draft or two. Shoot for value in the 5th through 7th rounds.
In 3 or 4 years when that goalie is ready the landscape of the Rangets goalie situation could be totally different.
eco's bones
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I'm on board for picking a goalie in the later rounds in any given year but there are also quite a lot of quality undrafted goalies that have been coming out of Europe for at least the last couple of decades and Georgiev was one of them--Raanta was another. It seems always to be kind of an untapped market.
Probably a good bet Georgiev gets dealt. Since he wasn't even drafted and probably can fetch a good return, it's more of a reason not to take Lindbom in the second round. However, for every screw up if your scouting staff is good you find a gem. Barron, Keane, Gross and Wall stand a chance of being really solid pro's. If one of them turns out to be a good piece for the future or is dealt for a good piece for the future, it makes that pick less negative.
eco's bones
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I think there's a fair chance that Georgiev does get moved but there is no imperative right now and I think we can easily put a decision off until next season on it. I would not trade him for anything less than a 1st round pick and I'd want more than that if it was a really late 1st rounder. IMO he could legitimately start for some teams and he's young---he's the same age as Shesterkin and has arguably done more. I look at them as equals right now. I think we also have to factor in Huska, Wall and Lindbom. IMO they are all legit prospects but none of them are sure bets to be NHL starters let alone be NHL goalies. Waiting another year gives us more of an idea of what those 3 may be capable of. There's no hurry.
LaffyTaffy
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Forget Bode Wilde, I wanted Akil Thomas with the Lindbom pick.
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I get the reasonings here,
but I would be fine with, even hope for, NYR getting through next season w all 3 and having both Georgie and Czar after Hank's contract completes.
Just my fanboy opinion
The whole point of the draft is to create value and I don’t think anybody thought Lindbom was going to be a 65gm workhorse. Even if he’s a league average goalie, you couldn’t get more than a 2nd for that kind of player, so it’s a lateral move at best. 3rd round, nobody would be gripping about the injuries.
The only reason you take olaf is if you see lundqvist jr in him. But there was nothing to suggest he'd even sniff that territory. Atrocious pick unless he becomes a star or if the next 30 picks after him all fail to make it
Yeah, I am a big size guy with goalies. I wouldn’t mind taking a big guy with skill early.
But OTOH, I’ve heard many that are really high on Lindbom. Basically saying that as good as he was for Sweden in the U18 WJCs, it’s as good goaltending as we ever had.
But I don’t know, OTOH I am not an expert on goalies.
When you have as much depth as we do, go Boom or Bust. I get wanting a player that has a chance to become an NHL player, but in the mid-late rounds I prefer to see us swing for the fences.
Not sure Lindbom is that pick. Especially when you factor in what we already had in the system.
The only saving grace here, is arguably the best goalie coach, really wanted Lindbom. That makes me feel a little better because I have total trust in Benoit Allaire. When Shesty is 29, Lindbom will be 25, so there's that too.
Not sure Lindbom is that pick. Especially when you factor in what we already had in the system.
The only saving grace here, is arguably the best goalie coach, really wanted Lindbom. That makes me feel a little better because I have total trust in Benoit Allaire. When Shesty is 29, Lindbom will be 25, so there's that too.
Oscar Lindberg
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Lindbom was a horrendous pick for where he was taken, considering the amount of talent still on the board at that point. I could rattle probably close to two dozen players who I would have picked just off the top of my head
Not much to be done about it though, all you can hope is that someone taken immediately after doesn't turn into a star
Not much to be done about it though, all you can hope is that someone taken immediately after doesn't turn into a star
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