Prospect Info: Rangers Prospect Thread (Player Stats/Info in Post #1; Updated 1.27.20)

[eco's bones]

As for Blackburn, his injury destroyed his career. To this day, I think he was the real deal.

As for Montoya, the 2004 draft did suck outside the top 5 picked. With that said, there were other quality NHL players taken throughout the 1st round. If you’re a goalie taken 6th overall and you are never considered a teams starter then you’re a bust. In the 5th round, hey, great value pick.

There were three other goalies taken in the first round of that draft including Dubnyk and Schneider. Both Dubnyk and Schneider took a long time to make the NHL but had more lasting impact than Montoya. Dubnyk was considered a bust for a while. There were a lot of busts in the first two rounds though. Some of the better guys taken after Montoya in the first round were Radulov, Zajac and Mike Green. Radulov came with a bunch of issues. Zajac's pretty much a quality 2nd/3rd liner and Green was a huge force for a while but always had defensive and injury issues. The Rangers took Korpikoski in the first as well. Career 3rd liner. Best players for us were Dubinsky--late 2nd rounder and Callahan--4th rounder. Not really a good draft after the first two guys.

Anyway sometimes what is understood now wasn't understood in previous years. I think the Rangers and most other teams understand now that you don't need to go early in the draft to get quality goaltending. Pretty much every time we've taken a goalie in the first two rounds it has not paid off. Richter is the exception. That said when there is a superstud coming down the pike like Knight last year or this Russian kid Askarov this year or Andrei Vasilevskiy or even Carter Hart I don't think it's dumb to take them. I agree though you kind of want to have a bunch of young studs already because goaltending without anything else is not going to take you very far. But we have loads of prospects--many of them excellent. If Askarov is available in next year's draft when it's our time to choose that could be a tough one but if he's clearly the best player available I'd be inclined to take him.

 

[TheWhiskeyThief]

where are you getting this difference of 30 goals stat from? last year the top goalie had a GAA of 1.89, the 31st ranked guy was at 2.90...assuming that all 31 of those guys were starters making that the best and worst starting goalies. that is a difference of 1 goal/game or 82 goals over a full season.

Sv% using the shot volume from the best goalie. While Sv% is crude, GAA depends way too much on the team in front of them.

 

[Irishguy42]

Sv% using the shot volume from the best goalie. While Sv% is crude, GAA depends way too much on the team in front of them.

I mean at this point, just take the extra step and use GSAA. You're already 95% of the way there.

Taking raw workload from one goalie and applying it to others isn't exactly the right way to go about this. Easier to take league-wide SV% average and apply that to each individual goalie's workload instead of arbitrarily replacing it.

 

[UnSandvich]

Sv% using the shot volume from the best goalie. While Sv% is crude, GAA depends way too much on the team in front of them.

Why not use something like GSAA or dSv%?

EDIT: Appears Irishguy beat me to it

 

[TheWhiskeyThief]

I mean at this point, just take the extra step and use GSAA. You're already 95% of the way there.

Taking raw workload from one goalie and applying it to others isn't exactly the right way to go about this. Easier to take league-wide SV% average and apply that to each individual goalie's workload instead of arbitrarily replacing it.

And if I gave two shakes of a rats’ tail about this, I’d do something like that.

 

[Joey Bones]

Just like all other positions you won't hit on them all. When looking at all the goalies drafted, from what I have seen of the recent picks/signings and from what I remember from the more historical picks, they have a very similar skill set. Very sound positionally and above average lateral movement.

One thing for sure is in recent history the Rangers haven't had luck drafting goalies in the first 2 rounds (Blackburn/Montoya/Lafleur/Halverson).

In Blackburn's defense, injuries screwed his development so we all never sure what would've had if he stayed healthy. Maybe something similar in Stajcer and quite possibly Lindbom.

 

[bobbop]

Just like all other positions you won't hit on them all. When looking at all the goalies drafted, from what I have seen of the recent picks/signings and from what I remember from the more historical picks, they have a very similar skill set. Very sound positionally and above average lateral movement.

One thing for sure is in recent history the Rangers haven't had luck drafting goalies in the first 2 rounds (Blackburn/Montoya/Lafleur/Halverson).

Blackburn wasn’t draft luck, he was injury luck (or lack therof)

Kid was a stud goaltender.

 

[eco's bones]

Blackburn wasn’t draft luck, he was injury luck (or lack therof)

Kid was a stud goaltender.

Cherneski destroying his keecap. Cherapanov dying. McIlrath might have turned out different if he hadn't displaced his kneecap. That set him back at least a couple years. But it was right before his rookie pro season. And Blackburn and then Sauer with the concussion issues. We haven't always had a lot of luck with our high draft picks.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Feel like this is the pick everyone (including me) disliked during the draft. Glad to see hes doing well this season

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Feel like this is the pick everyone (including me) disliked during the draft. Glad to see hes doing well this season

I think the bigger thing with Skinner was no one knew anything about him at the time

He didn’t pop up on a ton of the draft lists

 

[Leetch3]

I think the bigger thing with Skinner was no one knew anything about him at the time

He didn’t pop up on a ton of the draft lists

if you are trying to say people overreacted without info. i'm not buying it

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Blackburn wasn’t draft luck, he was injury luck (or lack therof)

Kid was a stud goaltender.

Yes, as I said the Rangers haven't had any luck in the first two rounds of the draft. Draft or Injury.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Wall with 23 save shutout against RPI tonight.

 

[Barnaby]

if you are trying to say people overreacted without info. i'm not buying it

Ugh... almost like that time we drafted that pansy tap dancing center in the 2nd round!

 

[FireGerardGallant]

I think the bigger thing with Skinner was no one knew anything about him at the time

He didn’t pop up on a ton of the draft lists

Yep I think it was that along with all the defenseman we had drafted in recent years which had people scratching their heads. Definitely a great start in the CHL though

 

[nyr2k2]

Skinner finished with 3 assists, was +4, and was named First Star.

Gross has 2 assists in his last 7 games after the crazy start. I called it the Zborovskiy Effect and I still believe it to be the case. And as his team has cooled off, so has he.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

Feel like this is the pick everyone (including me) disliked during the draft. Glad to see hes doing well this season

I mean... I actually liked it given the profile in the fourth round? It’s not like they passed on Byram to take the kid.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I know not all of them will pan out, but holy defensive depth batman.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Feel like this is the pick everyone (including me) disliked during the draft. Glad to see hes doing well this season

 

[eco's bones]

I don't think Gross has Zborovskiy's skating issues. Gross is a fairly good skater. Whether the Rangers are going to sign him though---I don't know. We're deep in d-men and I can see him becoming a victim of the numbers game. The same might happen also to Ragnarsson and Sjalin. It's not that they're not good prospects so much as the 50 man contract threshold and how many spots you can hold open for prospect LD you're not really sure about. Still unsigned LD include Miller, Jones, Robertson and Reunanen though signed is over in Finland and there's also Rykov. Gross isn't on a level with any of those guys. I do think he's a much better prospect than Zborovskiy though.

 

[usekakkorightquinn]

Ryan Graves 3 G 5 A +14

All the more reason to never listen to a coach like AV who didn't value stay at home defenseman.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Ryan Graves 3 G 5 A +14

All the more reason to never listen to a coach like AV who didn't value stay at home defenseman.

Are you seriously using offensive stats to make a case for AV not valueing stay at home defensemen?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

 

[nyr2k2]

I don't think Gross has Zborovskiy's skating issues. Gross is a fairly good skater. Whether the Rangers are going to sign him though---I don't know. We're deep in d-men and I can see him becoming a victim of the numbers game. The same might happen also to Ragnarsson and Sjalin. It's not that they're not good prospects so much as the 50 man contract threshold and how many spots you can hold open for prospect LD you're not really sure about. Still unsigned LD include Miller, Jones, Robertson and Reunanen though signed is over in Finland and there's also Rykov. Gross isn't on a level with any of those guys. I do think he's a much better prospect than Zborovskiy though.

The "Zborovskiy Effect" isn't meant to actually compare him to Zborovskiy. It's just describing a situation--a guy who has never posted big numbers finds himself on a really good team, where he is one of the oldest and most mature defensemen, and suddenly he is given a starting role including substantial PP time that he has never received. And then suddenly that guy starts posting big numbers.

It happened with Gross, who I think is the oldest or second-oldest defenseman on the team. He has seen a lot of PP time and way more responsibility than before. Oshawa looked like a juggernaut out of the gates and he was thriving. Of course they're now 5-5 in their last 10 and his numbers have stalled in that time.

It's not necessarily a bad thing. I mean it's good that the coaches value him. Being older and more mature than other guys doesn't guarantee you get to play more. So the fact that he does is a positive reflection of him as a player. Also, getting more minutes and a bigger role doesn't mean you'll produce in it.

Still, I just use it because I remember people going ga-ga over Zborovskiy when he suddenly started putting up big numbers. It was environmental factors more than anything. Gross may be a bit better of a prospect but I think it's the same general phenomenon.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Riley Hughes has an assist so far today for Northeastern. His 2nd point of the season. Game is half way through.