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Ola said:
The coach is ripping his willingness to play defense and cut his ice time (broke an implicit promise towards NYR that has loaned Tarmo to them).

Pekka Virta is a real character. Remember him as a player.
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If it’s true about the player not giving max effort I can’t blame the coach. And I’d hope the Rangers can see the logic and the benefit.
Assuming of course the coach isn’t just busting the player’s chops (@Ola ;))
 
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Not really a fan of a coach excoriating his player like that in public, but whatever, hope he steps up. I noticed he wasn't posting the crazy TOI totals he was last year.
 
There is nothing in the numbers supporting this coach roasting Tarmo. Have just watched a couple games but say he is making mistakes and looking uninterested he’s still making up for that in other parts of the game... his numbers look good, his PDO is low ‍♂️‍♂️‍♂️‍♂️
 
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Hopefully he figures out how to earn the coach's trust and starts getting used more.

As a sidenote (absolutely chalked with supposition), is what we've seen from Lias, Kravtsov, and potentially Reunanen this year, indicative of a growing entitlement among young players of this generation? Is there some other reasonable explanation? Or is it purely coincidence?

Personally, I'm a bit cynical about the direction of the world, so while I feel that it's just coincidence, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't growing a little less willing to shill out 'the benefit of the doubt'.

Again, crazy amounts of supposition, but at some point, coincidence is worth discussing.
 
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you really lose me with the entitlement shtick when you remember this is their source of income for presumably the next 15 years and not some fraternal order of respected samurai who are paid in honor.

if i’m Kravtsov i absolutely would rather play in my home country with significantly more money than the AHL lol like how is that even a question? it’s not that simple and we know that but you’re honestly lying if you can’t figure out why Europeans would rather play in their own pro leagues than the AHL
 
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Raspewtin said:
you really lose me with the entitlement shtick when you remember this is their source of income for presumably the next 15 years and not some fraternal order of respected samurai who are paid in honor.

if i’m Kravtsov i absolutely would rather play in my home country with significantly more money than the AHL lol like how is that even a question? it’s not that simple and we know that but you’re honestly lying if you can’t figure out why Europeans would rather play in their own pro leagues than the AHL
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I also tend to think that the "entitlement generation" thing is mostly BS made up by older people who went through similar stuff when they were kids and just don't remember it.

There may be some level of higher and unrealistic expectation from some of these kid athletes that they'll make the NHL right away and their career will take off and that the AHL is a garbage league to play in and they're above that, but I think all that doesn't have much to do with younger generations specifically and more a kind of trend in the NHL that sees teams pushing kids into the lineup younger and younger, partly as a salary cap issue.

IMO the thing that non-NA players need to realize is that if they are close to making the NHL but their team wants them to work on a few things in the AHL, that's going to get them to the NHL faster than going back and playing in their home leagues. So...you make the decision. If you want to make the NHL, is playing in the AHL for a few months or half a year an acceptable thing to do? It lets your team keep an eye on your progress and call you up whenever there's a chance. Or do you head home for the year? You might make some more money in the short term but maybe it delays your entry to the NHL because it may not be advancing the skills your NHL team is looking for, etc.

It'd be interesting to see if they eventually raise the AHL pay for ELC's and such if teams start seeing this as an issue to getting players to spend time there.
 
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Levitate said:
I also tend to think that the "entitlement generation" thing is mostly BS made up by older people who went through similar stuff when they were kids and just don't remember it.

There may be some level of higher and unrealistic expectation from some of these kid athletes that they'll make the NHL right away and their career will take off and that the AHL is a garbage league to play in and they're above that, but I think all that doesn't have much to do with younger generations specifically and more a kind of trend in the NHL that sees teams pushing kids into the lineup younger and younger, partly as a salary cap issue.

IMO the thing that non-NA players need to realize is that if they are close to making the NHL but their team wants them to work on a few things in the AHL, that's going to get them to the NHL faster than going back and playing in their home leagues. So...you make the decision. If you want to make the NHL, is playing in the AHL for a few months or half a year an acceptable thing to do? It lets your team keep an eye on your progress and call you up whenever there's a chance. Or do you head home for the year? You might make some more money in the short term but maybe it delays your entry to the NHL because it may not be advancing the skills your NHL team is looking for, etc.

It'd be interesting to see if they eventually raise the AHL pay for ELC's and such if teams start seeing this as an issue to getting players to spend time there.
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I agree---in general I hear older people (and I'm 62) going on about younger people quite a lot with this lazy and entitlement argument. We're not exactly leaving younger people a very friendly world though. We're screwing up the environment--the wealth gap continually getting worse leaves a lot of people starting from way behind and so many are sunk so far in college debt with few if any prospects of paying it off anytime within the next 20/30 years that you might as well call their future one of indentured servitude. I feel almost blessed not to be young today.
 
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NYR said:
Nicholas Bernardo is a name to pay attention too.
The NYR scouts love what they see and pproached him recently.
He's a really good defenseman with some grit, local LI kid and in my family ;)
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Was reading this waiting for you to say it was you, but close enough :sarcasm:
 
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Yeah, when I use the word "entitlement", I am in no way referring to kids preferring to play closer to home; whether it is for more money or not. I'm not even sure how the two could be equated.

I was referring more to whether players are more likely now (however fractionally), to blame outside factors than their own work ethic for whether they succeed or not.

I'm 31, came from a lower middle class family and will be paying off my student loans for another three or four years at least. I'm not some geriatric, living in his $20,000 mansion pointing his cane at the television and cursing on "dem kids not knowing anything about hard work."

That said, the query was answered well enough for my liking. Just wanted to point out that I'm not an idiot :laugh:
 
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Harbour Dog said:
Yeah, when I use the word "entitlement", I am in no way referring to kids preferring to play closer to home; whether it is for more money or not. I'm not even sure how the two could be equated.

I was referring more to whether players are more likely now (however fractionally), to blame outside factors than their own work ethic for whether they succeed or not.

I'm 31, came from a lower middle class family and will be paying off my student loans for another three or four years at least. I'm not some geriatric, living in his $20,000 mansion pointing his cane at the television and cursing on "dem kids not knowing anything about hard work."

That said, the query was answered well enough for my liking. Just wanted to point out that I'm not an idiot :laugh:
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Fair enough--it's disappointing how things have turned out with Andersson. I think also it's obvious we reached for him a bit. Do that draft again and he's probably late 1st--maybe even in the 2nd and maybe if that had happened expectations for him would have been moderated a bit more---not just by the Rangers but even his own expectations. Draft picks underachieving though happens pretty much every draft year and going back to its inception. Some players do lose heart and some plateau. Jamie Lundmark and Hugh Jessiman kind of fall into the plateau thing. The year Lundmark was drafted there were people who thought he might turn out the best player out of that draft.

All that said Andersson can still turn his career around and become an NHL player. I just don't see him as a top 6 kind of player anymore. The skating is holding him back. It's not terrible but it needs work.
 
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ManUtdTobbe said:
Hindsight 20/20, on draft day Lias was never going past the 15-20 range. It was a close draft in the mid 1st and NYR obviously liked Lias, **** turned out bad but it wasn’t a terrible pick on draft day.
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Lias became a key player for a SHL championship team at 18. He had a very good WJC tournament the next year. His play otherwise has been very uneven. There was all the travelling in his draft year. He did look quicker in this year's training camp but if anything it looks as if his play has regressed and I wonder anyway whether he's plateaued and there isn't any more or whether he's lost confidence in his play along the way or a combination of such......or maybe even something else. One also looks at Chytil who seemed to take his demotion to Hartford this year in a very good way. People are different though and hockey is not just skill--there's also a mental element and that can be as challenging as anything. The NHL is not an easy league to play in and FWIW the AHL may be even harder. You don't see players putting up big scoring numbers in the AHL--it's tight checking and a mean spirited league.
 
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The younger generation is more educated has more information and more prepared than their predecessors. Just think of what it was like for Miroslav Horova to come to North America in the mid-late 80s and how much info they had on him/he had on Quebec or New York vs. what Libor Hajek's experience was like 30 years later.

My only problem with the younger generation is popular music today is a disgrace. Every rapper sounds like they're chanting underwater and there are some great rock bands but the genre's been so marginalized. Now before anyone younger rolls their eyes hear me out; not everyone in music was so beautiful or a Prom King/Queen when I was younger. It was as much for outsiders and helped a lot of teens going through puberty/changes who weren't necessarily popular or star athletes. That's gone in both substance and marketing.

And back to Tarmo and friends: Rangers made a change in their strength and conditioning coach this summer letting go Reg Grant and hiring Jamie Rodriguez. Wonder if the "Year 1" change has had a negative impact on prospects like Kravstov/Reuananen/K. Miller who all seemed to have slightly regressed.
 
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