Prospect Info: Rangers Prospect Thread (Player Stats/Info in Post #1; Updated 1.27.20)

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Paging @nyr2k2 for an update on his boy

 

[nyr2k2]

Sick. He has seven more points than I thought he'd have.

 

[nyr2k2]

Skinner had an assist.

 

[free0717]

I am reading all these posts on entitlement. What really bothers me is that no player is willing to just work on his game to get to the big show. No one is willing to pay their dues. Nikita Kucherov paid his dues. Why does Anderson, Kratsov and Reunanen think thy don’t. Do they think they are better than Kucherov? Pay your dues and if you have the game the. $$$ will come

 

[EpicDing]

I am reading all these posts on entitlement. What really bothers me is that no player is willing to just work on his game to get to the big show. No one is willing to pay their dues. Nikita Kucherov paid his dues. Why does Anderson, Kratsov and Reunanen think thy don’t. Do they think they are better than Kucherov? Pay your dues and if you have the game the. $$$ will come

Why are you lumping in Reunanen? The team assigned him to Liiga

 

[free0717]

Why are you lumping in Reunanen? The team assigned him to Liiga

See previous quotes about how Reunanen does not work on his defense

 

[Ola]

I am reading all these posts on entitlement. What really bothers me is that no player is willing to just work on his game to get to the big show. No one is willing to pay their dues. Nikita Kucherov paid his dues. Why does Anderson, Kratsov and Reunanen think thy don’t. Do they think they are better than Kucherov? Pay your dues and if you have the game the. $$$ will come

Kucherov played 17 games in the AHL...

 

[Miamipuck]

Kucherov played 17 games in the AHL...

So what? The point was he would have played more without crying like a bitch. The fact he was too good for the league relatively quick is notwithstanding.

 

[Joey Bones]

Well maturity is the main thing. Sometimes it hits sometimes it doesn't. That’s life. Shesterkin sure as hell isn't pouting in any known articles & look how he’s doing. Seems he’s using his “demotion” as a learning curve & is proving to be something special. Andersson is known to be a little too emotional so it makes sense he’s using the leverage he’s using, which sucks because if he just worked on some small things, he really could still be in the NHL right now.

 

[Edge]

The sad thing is that I really do see the potential for Andersson to carve out a Mike Ricci type career. There are a lot of similarities there — including the personality types.

But you also see where a slight deviation, or a wrong approach can send two similar players in very different paths. Andersson is a player who has been noted as being a very emotional player on the ice. And that can be a strength. But it can also be a weakness if manifests itself incorrectly or isn’t harnesses. Unfortunately, this decision of his doesn’t help anyone involved.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

Lias also wasn’t posting or entitled when sent down the first or second time... He was angry this season after being completely mishandled from draft day...

Kravtsov was young and likely got some bad advice from someone (family/agent)

 

[nyr2k2]

I thought Lias was pouting the last time he was sent down last season, and said as much here.

 

[ManUtdTobbe]

I thought Lias was pouting the last time he was sent down last season, and said as much here.

Probably true, because by then he had been jerked around for over a year, whenever he was promoted after playing well in the AHL he was put in a position to fail in the NHL

 

[nyr2k2]

Probably true, because by then he had been jerked around for over a year, whenever he was promoted after playing well in the AHL he was put in a position to fail in the NHL

Yeah, I don't disagree with you. While I put the ultimate result here on Lias, as the decision was his to make, I have always been adamant that the Rangers f***ed this up since day one (or maybe day two, LOL, as that's when I think things really started going haywire--his first full season here).

 

[nyr2k2]

Ciccolini had an assist last night on the PP.

Aaltonen, Reunanen, and Robertson were scoreless.

 

[egelband]

Hopefully he figures out how to earn the coach's trust and starts getting used more.

As a sidenote (absolutely chalked with supposition), is what we've seen from Lias, Kravtsov, and potentially Reunanen this year, indicative of a growing entitlement among young players of this generation? Is there some other reasonable explanation? Or is it purely coincidence?

Personally, I'm a bit cynical about the direction of the world, so while I feel that it's just coincidence, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't growing a little less willing to shill out 'the benefit of the doubt'.

Again, crazy amounts of supposition, but at some point, coincidence is worth discussing.

I think there are definitely entitled players. Not sure it’s a generational thing. Could just be that the norms and rules have evolved/changed. But I would add that in the case of VK, he was just exercising a legit contract clause. I found it to be very soon to use the out, but that’s not for me to judge, really. Andersson is a different story. He appears entitled to me, but I’m thinking it’s more about his background than anything to do with his generation in particular.

 

[egelband]

Fair enough--it's disappointing how things have turned out with Andersson. I think also it's obvious we reached for him a bit. Do that draft again and he's probably late 1st--maybe even in the 2nd and maybe if that had happened expectations for him would have been moderated a bit more---not just by the Rangers but even his own expectations. Draft picks underachieving though happens pretty much every draft year and going back to its inception. Some players do lose heart and some plateau. Jamie Lundmark and Hugh Jessiman kind of fall into the plateau thing. The year Lundmark was drafted there were people who thought he might turn out the best player out of that draft.

All that said Andersson can still turn his career around and become an NHL player. I just don't see him as a top 6 kind of player anymore. The skating is holding him back. It's not terrible but it needs work.

That’s the thing. Everyone thinks he’s at best a middle sixer...eventually. But he thinks he should be getting 15 mins a game in the NHL... right now. There’s a huge disconnect.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Hopefully he figures out how to earn the coach's trust and starts getting used more.

As a sidenote (absolutely chalked with supposition), is what we've seen from Lias, Kravtsov, and potentially Reunanen this year, indicative of a growing entitlement among young players of this generation? Is there some other reasonable explanation? Or is it purely coincidence?

Personally, I'm a bit cynical about the direction of the world, so while I feel that it's just coincidence, I'd be lying if I said I wasn't growing a little less willing to shill out 'the benefit of the doubt'.

Again, crazy amounts of supposition, but at some point, coincidence is worth discussing.

I don't know about entitlement, because the situations all seem different.

Lias was jerked around and mishandled big time. I don't blame him for being upset with the way he was deployed and it can't be easy seeing guys who have no future here and are honestly horrible hockey players get an endless leash while you, someone who supposedly spearheaded this entire rebuilding process is basically treated like a shuttle player.

He and his agent shouldn't have gone public with what they did but its one way to force an issue when you want out. But at the same time, this is the danger you run into when you play horrible players just because they have big contracts or are solid 'leaders'. People notice and it can turn a situation toxic.

With VK, It seemed like there was a communication issue. Fortunately, that seems like its been ironed out and he's been much better since returning.

 

[UnSandvich]

I don't know about entitlement, because the situations all seem different.

Lias was jerked around and mishandled big time. I don't blame him for being upset with the way he was deployed and it can't be easy seeing guys who have no future here and are honestly horrible hockey players get an endless leash while you, someone who supposedly spearheaded this entire rebuilding process is basically treated like a shuttle player.

He and his agent shouldn't have gone public with what they did but its one way to force an issue when you want out. But at the same time, this is the danger you run into when you play horrible players just because they have big contracts or are solid 'leaders'. People notice and it can turn a situation toxic.

With VK, It seemed like there was a communication issue. Fortunately, that seems like its been ironed out and he's been much better since returning.

Did Lias go public with it? Besides leaving the team of course. I've been avoiding the Lias thread, b/c it was a big circlejerk for a while, but i haven't seen any statements from him or his agent.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Did Lias go public with it? Besides leaving the team of course. I've been avoiding the Lias thread, b/c it was a big ********** for a while, but i haven't seen any statements from him or his agent.

Yes his agent did.

 

[UnSandvich]

Yes his agent did.

Righto, didn't see that. Thanks

 

[kovazub94]

I don't know about entitlement, because the situations all seem different.

Lias was jerked around and mishandled big time. I don't blame him for being upset with the way he was deployed and it can't be easy seeing guys who have no future here and are honestly horrible hockey players get an endless leash while you, someone who supposedly spearheaded this entire rebuilding process is basically treated like a shuttle player.

He and his agent shouldn't have gone public with what they did but its one way to force an issue when you want out. But at the same time, this is the danger you run into when you play horrible players just because they have big contracts or are solid 'leaders'. People notice and it can turn a situation toxic.

With VK, It seemed like there was a communication issue. Fortunately, that seems like its been ironed out and he's been much better since returning.

A teenager / 20-year old is not being “jerked around and mishandled” when he’s moved between NHL and AHL. This is very par for the course, and so if Lias has something to be upset with - it’s his performance, not his deployment because he’s earned absolutely nothing to feel entitled to anything more than what the coaching staff assigned. In the very same vein he hasn’t earned any right to an outward reaction to how vets are being deployed. His only entitlement is / was to work as hard as possible in any situation he finds himself to earn a chance for an opportunity. Asking for a trade, doing it publicly and leaving the team is absolutely inappropriate for a prospect in the middle of his D+3 season.

 

[Ola]

Yes his agent did.

Link?

I don’t think this has been reported anywhere. Why wouldn’t it be the team that goes public with it? Normally it’s the team that comments on its players. And being quite wasn’t exactly an option.

Not sure why it matters either.

 

[pld459666]

A teenager / 20-year old is not being “jerked around and mishandled” when he’s moved between NHL and AHL. This is very par for the course, and so if Lias has something to be upset with - it’s his performance, not his deployment because he’s earned absolutely nothing to feel entitled to anything more than what the coaching staff assigned. In the very same vein he hasn’t earned any right to an outward reaction to how vets are being deployed. His only entitlement is / was to work as hard as possible in any situation he finds himself to earn a chance for an opportunity. Asking for a trade, doing it publicly and leaving the team is absolutely inappropriate for a prospect in the middle of his D+3 season.

Couldn't have said it better.

 

[EpicDing]

Shesty and Keane make the AHL ASG