Post-Game Talk: Rangers @ Penguins 3/16/13 - Manbearpig Strikes Again

[I Am Chariot]

meh we're doing them a favor by taking him off the NBC broadcast crew

Lol that's true...

 

[Machinehead]

You would trade McDonagh for a draft pick??? Wow, new high in assinine posting.

I'm not trading him for a draft pick, I'm trading him for McKinnon, Barkov, or Drouin. I do that 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.

 

[haveandare]

I agree with this. If you're going to bite the bullet and move two serviceable, middle-six, homegrown guys from he core, make every effort to limit overall roster turnover elsewhere. I'd gladly overpay Prust by .75M and still have Feds and Mitchell on the roster, just because it keeps the team more cohesive and keeps the family vibe. Too much overall turnover seems to have washed away the glue. The guys don't seem to care for each other, the sweater, or anything else right now.

Exactly. I think Sather thought, "well, they're role players, those guys are a dime a dozen." That's a huge, huge part of why this team is struggling right now IMO. They're building half the forward corps from scratch after having so much success last year in large part because of solid play up and down the lines.

 

[Osminator]

Is any of the 29 Sutters available to coach? lol

 

[ImIdaho]

Dolan would have had to actually watch today's game....there's always a chance but its unlikely

I thought the GM also has a say on the matter.

 

[Kreider Typical]

Can't deny that he's a smart guy, but IDK how good of a coach he could make. Plus he's very creepy.

...i guess he is pretty creepy...

 

[Megustaelhockey]

Can't deny that he's a smart guy, but IDK how good of a coach he could make. Plus he's very creepy.

He has 2 rings with PIT.

 

[aufheben]

I'd like those 2 hours of my life back, please.

 

[Bardof425*]

He's talking about the 1st/2nd overall pick and trading from a position of strength (left handed d-men) in order to acquire a sure-fire, cost controlled stud forward like we haven't had in far, far too long.

You do not trade a Norris Trophy quality player for an unknown. You want to trade him for Taylor Hall fine. Would you trade him for Nail Yakupov? He was pretty sure fire. I wouldn't.

 

[I Am Chariot]

I thought the GM also has a say on the matter.

Slather won't fire Torts.... Unless Jimmy insists.

 

[haveandare]

I'm not trading him for a draft pick, I'm trading him for McKinnon, Barkov, or Drouin. I do that 7 days a week and twice on Sunday.

I do that 0 days a week. McDonagh is a proven player. He's a kid still and he's the team's best defenseman, one of the best young D-men in the league and we got him for almost nothing. Throwing that away for a prospect, any prospect, is silly in my opinion.

How are the Oilers doing with all those high pick forwards?

 

[The Gloaming]

He has 2 rings with PIT.

Wow. Two actually. Never knew that. Didn't seem to have much success after that, though. Still don't know how I would feel about that.

 

[Bardof425*]

I would be down to trade ANY of our supposed "three #1 defenseman" for a top 5 pick. Money in the bank.

I wouldn't. Too often they don't work out. And McD is the last guy I would move of those three. How did Cindy do today?

 

[ImIdaho]

Slather won't fire Torts.... Unless Jimmy insists.

Oh, it's like that. Then, Sather can start filling out a new job application along with Torts and Sullivan.

 

[SRTtoZ]

Dave Maloney calling it like it is. You don't grind for every chance. SOFT COVERAGE. No offense, no ability to make passes. Look how hard it is to create chances.

Thats EXACTLY it and how it has been since Torts has been here. We are a dump and chase system who want to cycle the puck every chance they get. Its very low percentage hockey and it stinks. We dont even use our defensemen to play the puck like we should to create space for our forwards and force the opposition to play back. I cant stand when I see our 3 forwards in the corner fighting for the puck while our 2 Dmen sit back near the blueline twiddling their thumbs. PASS the puck back to them and let them do something.

 

[Machinehead]

I do that 0 days a week. McDonagh is a proven player. He's a kid still and he's the team's best defenseman, one of the best young D-men in the league and we got him for almost nothing. Throwing that away for a prospect, any prospect, is silly in my opinion.

How are the Oilers doing with all those high pick forwards?

Give it time. In two years the Oilers will have the best offense in the NHL, something I don't think we've ever had.

 

[Bardof425*]

Whose available?

Are we getting Seguin? Huberdeau? Galchenyuk?

I don't know. Maybe. Drafting our own is the same difference. The point is that we need a stud forward that hasn't been an all-star in the league for 10 years before coming to us. We need to draft our own stud or acquire one who is still extremely young and cost controlled.

Of those three only Seguin would be worth that trade. Galchenyuk isn't that good and Huberdeau still has alot to prove (although he's well on his way).

 

[Samuel Culper III]

You do not trade a Norris Trophy quality player for an unknown. You want to trade him for Taylor Hall fine. Would you trade him for Nail Yakupov? He was pretty sure fire. I wouldn't.

Yeah, you have to make hard decisions. I don't want to move McD at all. But we can't sign or otherwise acquire an answer to our problems. We have Staal, McD and MDZ who are all top-four LH d-men (who all were in the Norris voting last year, except Staal who was out injured; Girardi was there in his place). If moving one of them brings in a 19-20 year old stud forward, you have to strongly consider it. Yakupov's been alright on a terrible Edmonton team. Look at Stamkos' rookie year. Yakupov is very likely still going to be a monster. Hall? He's proving somewhat injury prone so far, though I love him too. My point is, unless you're getting Seguin or Huberdeau back, what's the difference between trading for Hall or drafting McKinnon? I get that Hall is more proven, but the chance of a top two pick busting these days is infinitely lower than it used to be because of the way and attention that scouting has evolved. Obviously you're not going to acquire a Huberdeau and win the Cup that year. But 1-2 years after, the team's build will be much better for it.

 

[I Am Chariot]

Oh, it's like that. Then, Sather can start filling out a new job application along with Torts and Sullivan.

Sather will NEVER be fired....he will GM until he sees fit handing the team over to Messier. You can bank on that being the future on the NY Rangers.

 

[Killem Dafoe]

Johnny Malkin just scored his 9th.

 

[I Am Chariot]

Yeah, you have to make hard decisions. I don't want to move McD at all. But we can't sign or otherwise acquire an answer to our problems. We have Staal, McD and MDZ who are all top-four LH d-men (who all were in the Norris voting last year, except Staal who was out injured; Girardi was there in his place). If moving one of them brings in a 19-20 year old stud forward, you have to strongly consider it. Yakupov's been alright on a terrible Edmonton team. Look at Stamkos' rookie year. Yakupov is very likely still going to be a monster. Hall? He's proving somewhat injury prone so far, though I love him too. My point is, unless you're getting Seguin or Huberdeau back, what's the difference between trading for Hall or drafting McKinnon? I get that Hall is more proven, but the chance of a top two pick busting these days is infinitely lower than it used to be because of the way and attention that scouting has evolved.

I'd leave the D alone.... They are better than average and protect THE KING.

 

[Megustaelhockey]

Johnny Malkin just scored his 9th.

Same as Nash and Callahan. That's incredible.

 

[Osminator]

Jim Cerny ‏@JimCerny

Lundqvist looked as dejected postgame as I have seen him in a long, long time


Guy wants to win, not waste his career... Can you imagine him in Pittsburgh or Detroit? Sheeesh...

 

[Killem Dafoe]

Same as Nash and Callahan. That's incredible.

I actually found myself laughing at it and giving a little golf clap.

 

[I Am Chariot]

Poor Hank... "They're Good" "we need to be better". Doing his classy best not to throw guys under the bus