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Confirmed with Link: Rangers name Alain Vigneault head coach - Part II

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The Great Disaster said:
If you think this is a "win-now" team I've got a bridge to sell you. We have a young team with a great goalie. Leadership is greatly lacking and only time will tell if AV is that leader. A crap shoot at best. Glad you have lots of years left to play craps.
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Not getting into the fact that you're calling AV who coached his team to within one game of the SC Finals and 2 Presidents' Trophies a crap shoot, while lobbying for Messier, I'm really annoyed by all of these Rangers fans yelling from their rooftops about how this is not a win now team. Last year the Blackhawks were a 6th seed that lost in the first round (getting down 3-0 and getting embarrassed in game 6). They didn't make many changes this year and now they're in the Finals.
 
The Great Disaster said:
But what if he wasn't a disaster. What if he delivered just like he has in the past. Hard to imagine. Not hard to imagine what another retread coach will lead us to. NOTHING. We need to change things up. Same old same old grows tiring after 50 years. One cup, 50 years. But lets do it your way. You all deserve what you are going to get. Nothing but more disaster. If Mess ended up a disaster, just add him to the long line of prior ones and go back to retreads. At least it MIGHT end up different this time, it did once before. That's all we have to go on as Ranger fans, once before.
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If my Grandmother had nuts she would be my Grandfather.

Since you have given him credit for 94 which he deserves how about the teams performance during the Messier II era? Did he forget how to lead the 2nd time around in NY?
 
A page and a half on the Bergeron hiring/trade? Back on topic please.
 
SnowblindNYR said:
Not getting into the fact that you're calling AV who coached his team to within one game of the SC Finals and 2 Presidents' Trophies a crap shoot, while lobbying for Messier, I'm really annoyed by all of these Rangers fans yelling from their rooftops about how this is not a win now team. Last year the Blackhawks were a 6th seed that lost in the first round (getting down 3-0 and getting embarrassed in game 6). They didn't make many changes this year and now they're in the Finals.
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Most people didn't think the Bruins were legit contenders this season and here we are...

I think the Rangers have a lot of talent that some people discount and if AV can get more out of this team then they will be quite good. Improving the power play and solidifying the bottom line would help a lot, and shouldn't be THAT hard to do.
 
Levitate said:
Most people didn't think the Bruins were legit contenders this season and here we are...

I think the Rangers have a lot of talent that some people discount and if AV can get more out of this team then they will be quite good. Improving the power play and solidifying the bottom line would help a lot, and shouldn't be THAT hard to do.
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Agreed. People tend to discredit our players while hyping up other teams marginal players. Think it's just a case of us seeing the ups and downs of some of these guys while only catching the highlights and positives of some of those players on other teams.
 
Barbara Underhill said:
Agreed. People tend to discredit our players while hyping up other teams marginal players. Think it's just a case of us seeing the ups and downs of some of these guys while only catching the highlights and positives of some of those players on other teams.
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Write me down as one who would like for him to start with what we have right now. I think we have most if not all of the right pieces.
 
Barbara Underhill said:
Agreed. People tend to discredit our players while hyping up other teams marginal players. Think it's just a case of us seeing the ups and downs of some of these guys while only catching the highlights and positives of some of those players on other teams.
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Yep. Someone like Girardi is pretty overrated by other people because they see and hear only the good things and the media overrates him. BUT, he may be underrated by us because people tend to be more upset by the bad than be happy with the good (I'm as guilty of this as anyone). Put Girardi on the Hawks and the people trashing him might think he was better than he was.
 
Looking at AV/Brown tenure in Vancouver, they always had that RHD triggerman on the PP. Looking around the league to see who would be an ideal candidate. Rundblad would seem like a good choice. Good relationship with the Yotes, Rundblad is still young, can grow with the team. Given the depth of the Rangers D, there will be no pressure, he can develop at his own pace on the 2nd/3rd pair. And according to Yotes fans, he is not too expensive to get.
 
Barbara Underhill said:
Agreed. People tend to discredit our players while hyping up other teams marginal players. Think it's just a case of us seeing the ups and downs of some of these guys while only catching the highlights and positives of some of those players on other teams.
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No way. Just look at Brassard for example. If he was still in Columbus no one would be singing his praises.

The fact that people think an average finish in goals scored is some sort of giant underachievement for this team goes to show you how homers tend to overrate their favorite team.
 
Brian Boyle said:
If being one win away from a cup is "underachieving", yes, yes he did.

Switch Khabibulin circa 2004 with Luongo circa 2011 in their respective games sevens, and we're talking about AV having a Cup and Tortorella not having one.
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He's probably referring to consistent early PO exits not that I agree with him but in order to argue against consistency you can't use one single example.
 
Kwayry said:
Looking at AV/Brown tenure in Vancouver, they always had that RHD triggerman on the PP. Looking around the league to see who would be an ideal candidate. Rundblad would seem like a good choice. Good relationship with the Yotes, Rundblad is still young, can grow with the team. Given the depth of the Rangers D, there will be no pressure, he can develop at his own pace on the 2nd/3rd pair. And according to Yotes fans, he is not too expensive to get.
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Rundblad is a left handed shot.
 
chosen said:
I doubt there is anyone here who thinks the Rangers power play is better than Chicago's and Boston has shut them down every bit as badly as they shut down the Rangers.

Just maybe, that wasn't Torts's fault.

Certainly, if the people here were Black Hawks fans they would now be screaming about the impotent Black Hawks power play.

Either that or Julien is Bowman to the nth power.
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Rangers PP issues have been for YEARS not just Bos series. It's partly personnel. Coach admits to not practicing it. He was part to blame.
 
stan the caddy said:
No way. Just look at Brassard for example. If he was still in Columbus no one would be singing his praises.

The fact that people think an average finish in goals scored is some sort of giant underachievement for this team goes to show you how homers tend to overrate their favorite team.
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Basically, everyone that disagrees with you is a homer. That's quite the humble way of looking at things. We have good enough talent to a good offense and even decent PP. Also, funny how great we were supposed to be coming into last season and then we finish with a disappointing record and GFA and we now suck. The team scored a ******** of goals after making the changes. They dried up mostly in the playoffs, but it's the playoffs. I tend to think even with Torts we'd have a top 10 offense with the current personnel. Maybe a coach that doesn't think defense all the time could make the Rangers even better offensively.

P.S. The censors really have way too much time on their hands. They censor relatively creative curses fully and not just the naughty word. That was supposed to be "load of fecal matter", but even "load" got censored. I can't imagine it ever being worth my time to censor that whole world and think of all the ways these naughty words can be used. Well thankfully the children didn't see "****load" and grow up to be serial killers.
 
Brian Boyle said:
No, he's a righty.
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Dang, you're right.

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I could've swore he was a lefty. Does anyone know if he switched recently? :laugh:

edit: HF is confused too: http://www.hockeysfuture.com/prospects/david_rundblad/

edit2L HockeyDB doesn't comment on which way he shoots. :D
 
SnowblindNYR said:
Basically, everyone that disagrees with you is a homer. That's quite the humble way of looking at things. We have good enough talent to a good offense and even decent PP. Also, funny how great we were supposed to be coming into last season and then we finish with a disappointing record and GFA and we now suck. The team scored a ******** of goals after making the changes. They dried up mostly in the playoffs, but it's the playoffs. I tend to think even with Torts we'd have a top 10 offense with the current personnel. Maybe a coach that doesn't think defense all the time could make the Rangers even better offensively
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They were supposed to be good this year because we all assumed Richards would bounce back, Gaborik would have another great season, and Nash would play well. Nash was the only player out of those three that actually delivered during the regular season.

I didn't think they sucked offensively, I thought they were average.

I don't see AV as an offensive coach. The Canucks have consistently stuggled with secondary scoring. The Sedin line provides a good chunk of the offense because they're good players. Furthermore, the Rangers scored more goals than the Canucks last season.
 
stan the caddy said:
They were supposed to be good last year because we all assumed Richards would bounce back, Gaborik would have another great season, and Nash would play well. Nash was the only player out of those three that actually delivered during the regular season.

I didn't think they sucked offensively, I thought they were average.

I don't see AV as an offensive coach. The Canucks have consistently stuggled with secondary scoring. The Sedin line provides a good chunk of the offense because they're good players. Furthermore, the Rangers scored more goals than the Canucks last season.
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Yes, but we also ended up with Stepan having a great year (before the playoffs) and Brassard was very good with us even before the playoffs. Also Zucc played better than expected. Hell, compared to what Nash has been doing in Columbus the last few years Nash was better than expected.
 
NHRangerfan said:
And weren't most posters here down on Brassard when the trade was announced?
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Now that he's wearing a Rangers sweater, he's a "skilled former 6th overall pick." If he was still in Columbus and we were comparing our players to there's, he'd be considered a bum.
 
stan the caddy said:
Now that he's wearing a Rangers sweater, he's a "skilled former 6th overall pick." If he was still in Columbus and we were comparing our players to there's, he'd be considered a bum.
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Maybe or maybe if he finished strong in Colombus and performed well in the playoffs people might be saying he finally gets it
 
SnowblindNYR said:
Yes, but we also ended up with Stepan having a great year (before the playoffs) and Brassard was very good with us even before the playoffs. Also Zucc played better than expected. Hell, compared to what Nash has been doing in Columbus the last few years Nash was better than expected.
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Nash and Stepan had great years but that doesn't make the team top 10 in scoring. That was under Tortorella, too, a guy that "can't coach offense."

When Brad Richards was first acquired everyone tweeted about Gaborik scoring 50. Turns out they weren't even that compatible on the same line.
 
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