Confirmed with Link: Rangers name Alain Vigneault head coach - Part II

[Drewbackatu*]

Must have loved Renney then

Renny has found his calling in life as an assistant coach with the Red Wings who would never under any circumstances hire him as the coach there!

 

[Brooklyn Ranger]

I heard Elliotte Friedman on HNIC on NHL Network Radio on SiriusXM today say that Messier's future with the Rangers will be interesting to see, he said he know Messier REALLY wanted the job and he hears that Messier won't become an assistant with Vigneault, but that could change. He probably won't get the GM position when Glen retires. And, he may MAY be handed the head coaching job in Hartford, or at least offered it to him...would be interesting....

Anyways, exciting for a new coach, we'll see how it goes!

Brooks talked about this possiblity in Sunday's column:

The Rangers should hire Mark Messier as head coach ... of the re-christened AHL Hartford Wolf Pack.

That is the place for Messier, passed over in his bid to start his career behind the bench at the top, to begin. That is the place for Messier to build a foundation that will take him on the path to the NHL.

That is the place general manager Glen Sather would all but certainly be happy to place Messier in conjunction with making current head man and well respected organization soldier Ken Gernander an associate coach.

Although I can already hear the howls from the anti-Gernander crowd

Still, having Gernander as an associate coach in the NHL woulld be a good way of helping our new coach figure out the players who've graduated from Hartford and the prospects already in the system.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/rangers/let_messier_learn_in_ahl_zncyVQq1hAEzR5otqf057J

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

Nice post; AV completed screwed with Hodgeson who, by the way, is a lot more talented than Chris Kreider.

Vigneault injured Hodgson's back and misdiagnosed the injury?

 

[chosen]

I doubt there is anyone here who thinks the Rangers power play is better than Chicago's and Boston has shut them down every bit as badly as they shut down the Rangers.

Just maybe, that wasn't Torts's fault.

Certainly, if the people here were Black Hawks fans they would now be screaming about the impotent Black Hawks power play.

Either that or Julien is Bowman to the nth power.

 

[*Bob Richards*]

The Blackhawks have an impotent power play. It's not that good from the start.

 

[stan the caddy]

The Blackhawks have an impotent power play. It's not that good from the start.

The Penguins are stacked offensively and they managed to score twice in four games against the Bruins. The Blackhawks blow away the rangers on the power play if we're talking personnel. The Rangers simply don't have the makings of a good power play. Just look at the roster.

 

[Kwayry]

I doubt there is anyone here who thinks the Rangers power play is better than Chicago's and Boston has shut them down every bit as badly as they shut down the Rangers.

Just maybe, that wasn't Torts's fault.

Certainly, if the people here were Black Hawks fans they would now be screaming about the impotent Black Hawks power play.

Either that or Julien is Bowman to the nth power.

Whether it's Tort's fault or not is now irrelevant. Torts has left the building, no sense in crying over spilled milk.

 

[*Bob Richards*]

The Penguins are stacked offensively and they managed to score twice in four games against the Bruins. The Blackhawks blow away the rangers on the power play if we're talking personnel. The Rangers simply don't have the makings of a good power play. Just look at the roster.

And yet it's still really not that good. It was ranked 19th this season and Hawk fans sure did like to ***** about it every time I visited that board. Florida and Calgary had Top 10 powerplays.

Personnel matters, but at some point, coaching makes up the components of a well functioning PP.

 

[NikC]

I've been a big fan of this trainwreck of a franchise for over 50 years;
the players were different(meaning in so far as management. ex: Emil Francis, John Ferguson, Espo, Neal Smith, and now the "Teflon GM" for 13 yrs no less!) and with exception of the period Oct, 1991 thru June 1997(Messier's years here) the results have always been the same: pure, unadulterated garbage in terms of organizational management including lousy drafts, bad trades, brutal free agent signings, etcetera.

All of this has resulted in 1 Stanley Cup won in 73 years, a cup I might add we owe a great deal of gratitude for to our current "Teflon GM" who was the then GM of the Oilers responsible for making the deal of Messier to the Rangers for Bernie Nichols, Louie DeBrusk and Steven Rice!

In so far as AV is concerned; perhaps I'll be wrong about him and if I am, then I'll be more than happy to eat crow.

My gut reaction is he will get along swimmingly with "The Teflon GM" because both of them are arrogant, pompous, smug *******s who think their "**** don't stink"

Personally, I honestly believed that Dallas Eakins was the best choice for the job but "The Teflon GM" true to his moniker sat on his hands while the Oilers swooped in and hired him!.

I guess we'll just have to see how this all plays out!

As far as my propensity to "trash the Rangers?". All I can say is my hatred for this organization and the years of mismanagement since I'm a little kid runs very deep!

It doesn't mean that I hate the only hockey team I've ever been a fan of.

Perhaps you now have a better understanding of my bitterness regarding the Rangers!

Great. Now go watch the Yankees.

 

[The Gloaming]

Great. Now go watch the Yankees.

You forgot the exclamation point!

 

[Kwayry]

In so far as AV is concerned; perhaps I'll be wrong about him and if I am, then I'll be more than happy to eat crow.

Shouldn't you do it the other way? Give him the benefit of the doubt and if he doesn't win then throw him under the bus.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

Shouldn't you do it the other way? Give him the benefit of the doubt and if he doesn't win then throw him under the bus.

That would require showing optimism.

 

[park rangers]

Yea, and AV is the complete opposite with respect to young players. Apparently some Rangers fans are completely oblivious to the Cody Hodgson situation. This is what happens when you only pay attention to your favorite team.

Never said a word about AV. I truly don't know much about him and wouldn't claim that I do, I just became jaded to Torts ways and his system.

We shall see with AV

 

[park rangers]

You know what I liked? WINNING.

Please. We had one great regular season under him. The last two playoff years have been tough to watch at times, just barely getting by because of Hank.

We've been largely outplayed in each and every playoff series past 2 seasons.
I expect more with the roster we have and I have enough experience and knowledge to know that the guys we have now can certainly get the job done. (winning the cup)

 

[Kwayry]

That would require showing optimism.

That would be too easy.

 

[Cake or Death]

I heard Elliotte Friedman on HNIC on NHL Network Radio on SiriusXM today say that Messier's future with the Rangers will be interesting to see, he said he know Messier REALLY wanted the job and he hears that Messier won't become an assistant with Vigneault, but that could change. He probably won't get the GM position when Glen retires. And, he may MAY be handed the head coaching job in Hartford, or at least offered it to him...would be interesting....

Anyways, exciting for a new coach, we'll see how it goes!

I don't understand Messier. He really wants it, but is unwilling to pay any price at all to learn it and earn it. His unwillingness to learn this job simply should not cut it. Especially since great players rarely make for great coaches, in any sport. The dude needs to pay his dues and learn the craft. He, of all people, should know there's no such thing as something for nothing.

 

[aufheben]

And yet it's still really not that good. It was ranked 19th this season and Hawk fans sure did like to ***** about it every time I visited that board. Florida and Calgary had Top 10 powerplays.

Personnel matters, but at some point, coaching makes up the components of a well functioning PP.

I think we have the players to make at the very least a decent PP. What we saw this year was embarrassing. You don't need to be an all-star to screen the goalie, you don't need Al Macinnis to flub a wrister on net. Chicago has all the pieces you could ever need for a great PP, and their's is not good at all. It's basic fundamentals.

 

[Boruto]

Let the hate flow through everyone. AV isn't even head coach officially yet and people are already snapping at each other. Can't wait until the regular season installment of the return of popular shows such as:

"It wasn't John Tortorella's fault"
"New York team will never win a championship"
"Who cares about media relations?"
"Our Powerplay sucks: The Alain Vigneault edition"
"Chip and Chase & Dump and Chase: A story of the lack of puck possession"

In some ways, I think AV has a lot more pressure than Torts ever did when he started and when he left. All the problems we have are somehow definitively pinned on Torts for most fans and even unknowingly, most posters here. When problems that are bound to continue to plague the team lose games for us, AV will be the scapegoat for things not "turning around".

 

[Ola]

Let the hate flow through everyone. AV isn't even head coach officially yet and people are already snapping at each other. Can't wait until the regular season installment of the return of popular shows such as:

"It wasn't John Tortorella's fault"
"New York team will never win a championship"
"Who cares about media relations?"
"Our Powerplay sucks: The Alain Vigneault edition"
"Chip and Chase & Dump and Chase: A story of the lack of puck possession"

In some ways, I think AV has a lot more pressure than Torts ever did when he started and when he left. All the problems we have are somehow definitively pinned on Torts for most fans and even unknowingly, most posters here. When problems that are bound to continue to plague the team lose games for us, AV will be the scapegoat for things not "turning around".

Torts never had any pressure in NY before up until this season. That was maybe his biggest strength, he could coach in NY without any facing pressure.

With Renney, his last two years here we had horrible rosters but people still de facto predicted us to win the cup (Brooks?), and held us by those standards. We stated Renney's last season here awsome, went 10-2-1 our first 13 games. Out shot the teams we played against (often by a great margin) 10-3 too. You find us hammering away 45 shots against Pittsburgh when they struggled to get 20+ shots on us. Our top line was Dawes-Gomez-Näslund. Our D was lead by Redden and Roszival. Our biggest star was Zherdev really. During the midst of that great start, people still teared Renney apart. There was alot of talk about "only" winning games "2-1".

What kind of pressure will AV face? He is going to need time with this team. AV isn't John Stevens. Stevens could have come in and fine tuned this team. "Do what you did previously, but we gotta start working on this too and add this element to our game". Our Ds haven't passed a puck in 3 years, AV wants all his D's to hold on to and pass the puck.

 

[GAGLine]

I doubt there is anyone here who thinks the Rangers power play is better than Chicago's and Boston has shut them down every bit as badly as they shut down the Rangers.

Just maybe, that wasn't Torts's fault.

Certainly, if the people here were Black Hawks fans they would now be screaming about the impotent Black Hawks power play.

Either that or Julien is Bowman to the nth power.

Who's fault was it for our PP sucking the rest of the year?

I love your logic. Boston shutdown the hawks PP in 3 games, so our PP isn't Torts' fault. Really sound reasoning there.

 

[RangerBoy]

A more traditional — but not loose — defensive zone structure should give wingers more time and space through the neutral zone and on the entry. It should play to the strengths of Chris Kreider, a great skater with a big-time shot who is far better getting the puck on the wing in open ice than hunting for it along the boards and below the goal line.

Changes in their defensive structure should allow the Rangers to possess the puck more often. In their two Presidents’ Trophy-winning seasons, the Canucks ranked fifth and seventh in five-on-five Corsi rankings per 60 minutes (percentage of attempted shots vs. attempted shots against) and the Rangers were 26th in that category when they finished second overall to Vancouver by one point in 2010-11.

The skill guys should benefit under Vigneault. The wear-and-tear guys shouldn’t be as worn-and-torn. The Rangers will still want to own the ground game — the Blackhawks have the most speed in the league, but their game is built on puck pressure — but the Rangers should present a more diversified approach this time around.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/rang...Wc5xNlqDLN?utm_medium=rss&utm_content=Rangers

The Rangers need more toughness on the backend. The Capitals discussed how the Rangers aren't a very physical D.

The Rangers made Torey Krug look like Brian Leetch from 1989.

But Krug also knows he needs to play a balanced game against a Pittsburgh team that will do damage if a defenseman pinches or gets a little too aggressive at the wrong time.

The Penguins are much more dangerous than Boston's second-round opponent in that regard.

“[Pittsburgh] plays a lot differently than New York,†said Krug. “I felt like I didn’t have as many opportunities to jump up in the play, and that might have caused me to play back defensively a little bit more. But the style of game I play is picking and choosing the right moments.

http://www.csnne.com/blog/bruins-talk/krug-adjusting-new-game-vs-penguins

The Rangers had no answer for Krug.

 

[Boruto]

Torts never had any pressure in NY before up until this season. That was maybe his biggest strength, he could coach in NY without any facing pressure.

With Renney, his last two years here we had horrible rosters but people still de facto predicted us to win the cup (Brooks?), and held us by those standards. We stated Renney's last season here awsome, went 10-2-1 our first 13 games. Out shot the teams we played against (often by a great margin) 10-3 too. You find us hammering away 45 shots against Pittsburgh when they struggled to get 20+ shots on us. Our top line was Dawes-Gomez-Näslund. Our D was lead by Redden and Roszival. Our biggest star was Zherdev really. During the midst of that great start, people still teared Renney apart. There was alot of talk about "only" winning games "2-1".

What kind of pressure will AV face? He is going to need time with this team. AV isn't John Stevens. Stevens could have come in and fine tuned this team. "Do what you did previously, but we gotta start working on this too and add this element to our game". Our Ds haven't passed a puck in 3 years, AV wants all his D's to hold on to and pass the puck.

The genuine anger of Torts and his "truthful" albeit sometimes inaccurate criticisms make him seem more accountable and therefore, less at fault for failures. Also, the game he plays and makes the team play is a hard working game. When team is losing = team not working hard enough therefore he gets to say things like "we need to be better, play harder etc." and make himself look good. His blunt criticism of certain players, situations also helps deflect criticisms and blame. He also doesn't answer key questions and gets away with some aspects of his failures.

Interesting....

 

[OverTheCap]

Let the hate flow through everyone. AV isn't even head coach officially yet and people are already snapping at each other. Can't wait until the regular season installment of the return of popular shows such as:

"It wasn't John Tortorella's fault"
"New York team will never win a championship"
"Who cares about media relations?"
"Our Powerplay sucks: The Alain Vigneault edition"
"Chip and Chase & Dump and Chase: A story of the lack of puck possession"

In some ways, I think AV has a lot more pressure than Torts ever did when he started and when he left. All the problems we have are somehow definitively pinned on Torts for most fans and even unknowingly, most posters here. When problems that are bound to continue to plague the team lose games for us, AV will be the scapegoat for things not "turning around".

That's what happens when people have exceedingly high expectations of the personnel and give Sather a pass, the coaches get blamed for everything. It happened with Renney, it happened with Torts, and it will surely happen with Vigneault. People on this board were already calling for Torts head in his first full season here: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=730630

As I mentioned earlier, more pressure should be on the players this year. They wanted Torts gone and had a say in hiring Vigneault, so now it is up to them to show that they can flourish under a new coach.

 

[BroadwayBlues]

According Mike Francesa ( I know I know doesn't know hockey lol,....but he does have MSG sources) Messier really wanted the job. Mike seemed a bit surprised yesterday that Mark didn't get it. because Mike had been told by his MSG sources, 'if Mark wants it, he'll get it'.

My guess on why he didn't get the job is, Sather knows what he's doing more than people give him credit for and/or Gorton is the one really running the show.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

According Mike Francesa ( I know I know doesn't know hockey lol,....but he does have MSG sources) Messier really wanted the job. Mike seemed a bit surprised yesterday that Mark didn't get it. because Mike had been told by his MSG sources, 'if Mark wants it, he'll get it'.

My guess on why he didn't get the job is, Sather knows what he's doing more than people give him credit for and/or Gorton is the one really running the show.

I don't believe for a second that the job was Marks if he wanted it. If that were the case, and he wanted it, he'd of got it.