Confirmed with Link: Rangers name Alain Vigneault head coach - Part II

[Thirty One]

No, a lot of people were down on him when the trade first occurred.

And that's how BrassGod happened.

 

[PlamsUnlimited]

i think that was mainly kershaw

I think majority of posters were questioning te trade but not necessarily down on brass. I didn't know a lot about him so I was one of the question askers. However I enjoyed having him on our team once it happened.

 

[Kwayry]

He's a righty. But he sucks ass. Why woudl we want _avi_ Run_bla_?

Because he doesn't. Your opinion is what it is, it doesn't make it right.

Rundblad is young, can shoot and dish the puck, he fills a need. True, he needs to work on his skating and the defensive side of his game, but that's why he can fit on this D, partner him with Staal or McDonagh and he is not as much of a liability. And he is available because of those issues.

 

[Ola]

He's a righty. But he sucks ass. Why woudl we want _avi_ Run_bla_?

Id trade Hagelin for Rundblad.

Because he doesn't. Your opinion is what it is, it doesn't make it right.

Rundblad is young, can shoot and dish the puck, he fills a need. True, he needs to work on his skating and the defensive side of his game, but that's why he can fit on this D, partner him with Staal or McDonagh and he is not as much of a liability. And he is available because of those issues.

This.

We need a right handed PPQB. David Rundblad is an excellent right handed PPQB. He can shoot the puck. He can stickhandle with the puck. He can pass the puck.

To get a right hand PPQB, it will cost us. Its as simple as that. Rundblad would cost something like Hagelin. We better be prepared to give up a package of Staal/McD, Stepan/Brass and/or Kreider/Miller to get someone just a little bit more established than Rundblad.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

Now that he's wearing a Rangers sweater, he's a "skilled former 6th overall pick." If he was still in Columbus and we were comparing our players to there's, he'd be considered a bum.

Wow, that's um, wow. Basically you come from the Kershaw school of thinking that players can never improve from one team to the next (Kershaw does believe you can decline). I don't care what he did with Columbus he was excellent with the Rangers, yet we're overrating him if we praise him? Unreal, you clearly have an agenda and it clearly shows in your irrational assessment of players.

 

[Kwayry]

I like the sound of this.
From Klein

“That’s one of the things that you admire about Alain, the way he adapts, and the way the players got better under his tutelage,†said John Garrett, a former Vancouver goalie and now a hockey analyst in Western Canada. “He can adapt to just about any style the talent of the team dictates.â€

No one can predict whether that success will carry over to the Rangers. After all, Tortorella won the Stanley Cup in Tampa Bay with an up-tempo philosophy led by the scoring stars Vincent Lecavalier and Martin St. Louis — something that never translated to Tortorella’s Rangers.

But the high point totals logged by defensemen Christian Ehrhoff and Bieksa under Vigneault must be encouraging for Ryan McDonagh, Dan Girardi and the other Rangers defensemen whose scoring potential remains largely untapped.

 

[Kwayry]

Id trade Hagelin for Rundblad.

They asked for Miller.
Edit: they need a center badly.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Id trade Hagelin for Rundblad.

I'd say you're alone on that front.

 

[Drewbackatu*]

That's what happens when people have exceedingly high expectations of the personnel and give Sather a pass, the coaches get blamed for everything. It happened with Renney, it happened with Torts, and it will surely happen with Vigneault. People on this board were already calling for Torts head in his first full season here: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=730630

As I mentioned earlier, more pressure should be on the players this year. They wanted Torts gone and had a say in hiring Vigneault, so now it is up to them to show that they can flourish under a new coach.

Excellent post and very well stated. The burden needs to be placed squarely on the shoulders of the architect of the roster and of the players themselves.

 

[OverTheCap]

I like what Brassard has done so far as a Ranger, and I'm cautiously optimistic that all he needed was a change in scenery and now he'll start putting it altogether.

However, he's always been streaky and inconsistent, and I am a little concerned about how he'll perform as a second-line center over the course of a full season.

 

[GAGLine]

No way. Just look at Brassard for example. If he was still in Columbus no one would be singing his praises.

The fact that people think an average finish in goals scored is some sort of giant underachievement for this team goes to show you how homers tend to overrate their favorite team.

It works in both directions. Many posters deal in extremes. If they think a player is bad, then he's the worst player ever. If they are happy with his play, then he's awesome. There's no in between.

When I watch a game, I get mad at players just like anyone, but I don't hold a bad game against anyone. It happens. They're humans, not robots. If a player sucked last year and he's still on the team this year, ok, new slate. Go out and prove yourself.

DZ was bad in his 2nd year. A lot of people said to trade him. He rebounded with a very good 3rd year. His 4th year wasn't as good, but we found out he was playing with a sports hernia. A lot of people want to trade him.

Personally, I don't think he's an ideal player for what we need, both because he's a LHD and because he's not a true PP QB. But I still think he can be a very effective player, so I'm torn on whether or not we should move him. I'm leaning toward not, but I'm open to seeing what offers are out there.

 

[Drewbackatu*]

That's what happens when people have exceedingly high expectations of the personnel and give Sather a pass, the coaches get blamed for everything. It happened with Renney, it happened with Torts, and it will surely happen with Vigneault. People on this board were already calling for Torts head in his first full season here: http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=730630

As I mentioned earlier, more pressure should be on the players this year. They wanted Torts gone and had a say in hiring Vigneault, so now it is up to them to show that they can flourish under a new coach.

Excellent post and very well stated! The burden needs to be placed squarely on the shoulders of the architect of the roster and of the players themselves.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Because he doesn't. Your opinion is what it is, it doesn't make it right.

Rundblad is young, can shoot and dish the puck, he fills a need. True, he needs to work on his skating and the defensive side of his game, but that's why he can fit on this D, partner him with Staal or McDonagh and he is not as much of a liability. And he is available because of those issues.

He needs to work on his defensive side? He HAS NO defensive side. His defense is as bad as _n_y _elmore's was. He's that bad on the defensive side.

He's almost 23, on his third team, and is still not trusted at all on the back-end. He's the very definition of a liability. The only way I'd take him is if we got him on waivers or moved a low round pick for the guy.

Id trade Hagelin for Rundblad.

Vomit. Pure vomit. Why the hell would we even consider moving an established 2nd/3rd liner for a guy who's defense is so bad that it outweighs any offensive upside he brings? Why don't we just get MA Bergeron if we want someone like that?

 

[Hunter Gathers]

I'd say you're alone on that front.

I would sure hope so. I can't imagine our GM is stupid enough to ever entertain such a thought. And our GM is pretty stupid.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Personally, I don't think he's an ideal player for what we need, both because he's a LHD and because he's not a true PP QB. But I still think he can be a very effective player, so I'm torn on whether or not we should move him. I'm leaning toward not, but I'm open to seeing what offers are out there.

I understood why some wanted to trade him. I never understood why some wanted to dump him for nothing. He has quite a bit of value. I do not consider him untouchable at all and I'd be fine with moving him, but you're damn right that I want proper value in return.

 

[SupersonicMonkey*]

"I like the Rangers" = OMFG HOMERZ111!!!!!

"The Rangers suck" = Wow, such a realist, bang on! Spot on! This timeszzz 1 hundredz.

Great mentality.

Here's the reality. There is talent on the roster. Tortorella couldn't maximize it, he was a bully, players grew tired of him, he got relieved of his coaching duties.

Vigneault has had much more recent success. He's the polar opposite of Tortorella.

Can Vigneault maximize the talent on this roster?

There are some flaws on the roster. There will be some changes to the roster before training camp.

The rest we don't know. As a fan of this team, I am allowed to root for them. If that makes me a homer, so be it.

 

[Doctyl]

I think majority of posters were questioning te trade but not necessarily down on brass. I didn't know a lot about him so I was one of the question askers. However I enjoyed having him on our team once it happened.

i was excited about brass, it was moore who i was questioning. ive always like brassard but really did not know much about moore. dorsett i didnt expect much from aside from depth. i really looked at this as a solid depth trade and finally finding a 3rd line talented center in brass. i did not expect brass to dominate like he did or moore to be as good as he was.

 

[stan the caddy]

It works in both directions. Many posters deal in extremes. If they think a player is bad, then he's the worst player ever. If they are happy with his play, then he's awesome. There's no in between.

When I watch a game, I get mad at players just like anyone, but I don't hold a bad game against anyone. It happens. They're humans, not robots. If a player sucked last year and he's still on the team this year, ok, new slate. Go out and prove yourself.

DZ was bad in his 2nd year. A lot of people said to trade him. He rebounded with a very good 3rd year. His 4th year wasn't as good, but we found out he was playing with a sports hernia. A lot of people want to trade him.

Personally, I don't think he's an ideal player for what we need, both because he's a LHD and because he's not a true PP QB. But I still think he can be a very effective player, so I'm torn on whether or not we should move him. I'm leaning toward not, but I'm open to seeing what offers are out there.

DZ was horrific in his first season but since he scored points people thought he was solid. He's a decent player but he's turned into the whipping boy because he never lived up to high expectations.

 

[KreiMeARiver*]

I would sure hope so. I can't imagine our GM is stupid enough to ever entertain such a thought. And our GM is pretty stupid.

He's smart enough to fleece CBJ and MTL.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

i was excited about brass, it was moore who i was questioning. ive always like brassard but really did not know much about moore. dorsett i didnt expect much from aside from depth. i really looked at this as a solid depth trade and finally finding a 3rd line talented center in brass. i did not expect brass to dominate like he did or moore to be as good as he was.

That's why I was trying to calm some of the guys down about the trade. Moore is the real gem. A lot of posters had no idea who he was. He's the best piece we got in that trade (and we got some nice pieces). He'll be a 2nd pairing staple for a long time.

 

[Hunter Gathers]

He's smart enough to fleece CBJ and MTL.

Yet he tries to destroy our team every year in July.

 

[SirGoose]

Rundblad is literally the worst defenseman on Portland he will never play in the NHL.

 

[Drewbackatu*]

They're coaching there because they are NOT Mark Messier. He has forgotten more hockey in his life then they will ever know. If he wants to put his legacy in NYC on the line, give him the chance. He believed we would win in '94 and we did. If he believes he is the best person to lead the Rangers back to glory, let him! Ye of little faith deserve 50 more years of nothing. I'm tired of the AV retreads. Heck, we gave up Joe Sakic for Michel Bergeron in '87, how did that retread coach work out for us? A number one pick for a coach, but he had a great track record.

Ranger history (disaster) has repeated itself too many times over my lifetime. Give Mess a chance.

Well done pal! It's always refreshing to read a post by another Rangers fan who has been around for a longtime like myself and been witness to all of the abject failures this franchise has experienced during our lifetime.

All we can do now is see how this plays out and hope for the best.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

If it wasn't for #99 and #11 his (Sather) stay in Edmonton would have been very short lived. He had zero, nada, none as in NO coaching experience before taking over the WHA Oilers. And he wasn't even a very good NYR player in his short stay here. Torts would have loved him though as he was a grinder! To say #11 has no coaching experience so he can't coach NYR is just plain wrong. I would trust #11 in 2013 much more than I would have trusted old #6 (Slats) in 1979. Someone believed in him and look at the results. Heck, it bought him 13+ disaster years in NYC. If anyone should have been pushing for #11 to coach NYR, Slats was the guy. Finally had a chance to do something right again, and it all goes up in cigar smoke. Now we have 5 more years of 80's early 90's BS to look forward to. Thanks for nothing, Slats.

Irony- this name...this post

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Rundblad is literally the worst defenseman on Portland he will never play in the NHL.

I think he'll be a NHLer, but he'll be a MA Bergeron PP specialist. Probably bounce around the league quite often.