Post-Game Talk: Rangers Kings game 2

[tbonenc*]

I understand that you made an illogical statement and got called on it. An appropriate time for you to drop it. I will now let it go.

HeHe, nice try.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

If you watch the video above, McDonagh's motion and force is entirely contradictory to the direction that Hank is moving towards. He simply did not have the strength to push King out of the way.

Thank you Rusty. This guy is a clown!

 

[haohmaru]

Haohmaru, can you please repost that gif so the blind among us can see the direction King was pushed? Thanks

 

[chosen]

If you watch the video above, McDonagh's motion and force is entirely contradictory to the direction that Hank is moving towards. He simply did not have the strength to push King out of the way.

If you have player B between players A and C, and player C pushes B, he will increase the contact between A and B. King should not have been there but to say McD did not exert force on King that caused further contact with Hank is just wrong.

This is not to say it wasn't goalie interference.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

If you watch the video above, McDonagh's motion and force is entirely contradictory to the direction that Hank is moving towards. He simply did not have the strength to push King out of the way.

Ive noticed in my short time here, this guy primarily posts to argue with people.

 

[chosen]

Questionable..maybe, but that question is removed by virtue of the Poulliot call. The refs need to, at a minimum, call the game consistently.

I said earlier that consistency is the issue, not the particular incident. I agree with that.

 

[chosen]

HeHe, nice try.

Thanks

 

[eco's bones]

They also have their fingerprints over Ranger victories, so it's a wash to me, unless you are one of those that believes the league has it in for us, which I would be shocked to find out, since you have always been one of the level-headed ones here.

Well--how often are we in the finals? There's a difference between say the 23rd game of the regular season and the 2nd game of the Stanley Cup finals. We've had bounces along the way for sure to get here. I do believe that luck has a lot to do with winning--some you make by how you play--some just comes your way. The game is a game of mistakes.

Generally speaking between the on ice officials and the War Room in Toronto this year IMO we've been crapped all over. Maybe next year will be better. It might be fair to say that we've overcome the adversity of all that to get to where we are. If the Rangers can somehow pull the rabbit out of the hat and win this thing I'm thinking they'll have truly earned it.

FWIW it's been a great ride so far--there is that. You don't like to see the team come so far and come up short but if it does happen like that at least I'd prefer it without the controversy. Sometimes controversy can't be avoided. The Rangers could have won both games--the first game was all on them for taking their foot off the gas and for various **** ups. The second one was less so and the refs do have the power to call back a goal for incidental contact on a goalie without calling a penalty if they choose to do so and maybe that would have been the best of all calls. It's done now. We could have won both these games and that is a bit galling. I don't think we've been outplayed so much as done our own selves in though at least last night IMO the officiating did the Kings more favors than the Rangers.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

How on earth is a player supposed to "avoid contact" when he's pushed into the path of the goalie? It's unrealistic to expect it. Certainly bring it to light. I'm not saying it shouldn't be discussed. Seems you, and many others DON'T want another opinion posted. Weird. And I couldn't care less about being in the minority when it comes to OPINION. The majority opinion is not always right.

By not pushing off with his right skate... It's really not that complicated, his left foot is turned pointing towards Hank and he pushes off with his right skate. If you know anything about skating you know that he will then go in the direction of his lead foot.

Initial contact, McDonagh actually was trying to move King out of the crease. Physics be damned. Had King been an inanimate object McDonagh would have moved him the opposite direction something that seems to be ignored here is that King has his own momentum, which is up and to the left. He is pushing off hence why his right leg is extended.

 

[tbonenc*]

Wow, pretty clear from this that McDonagh tries to push King away from Hank, but King is fighting his way through the crease. That, my friends, is the definition of goaltender interference.

 

[helicecopter]

Having been in that position many times, it's definitely a tough call to make. But the right call was made.

nope. Watch the nhl.com video of the goal, in the final part you can see throughout what happened, and i certainly wouldn't call that McDonagh pushing King into Lundqvist.

edit: just saw the gif above, which should put an end to this. Should actualy be used as a clear example of goalie interference lol

 

[blue425]

This series is far from over, the Kings aren't exactly steamrolling anyone out there. You can't focus on missed calls and shoulda, coulda, woulda's. 2 games are in the books and you need to win two at home to even the series back up. Go out and do it. Start by not turning the puck over in your zone to give the Kings life and finish by scoring on some of these prime scoring chances you're getting.

I still believe that we win this series. The only thing that last night told me was the Brad Richards doesn't belong on this team and that the Kings fatigue is only compounding.

Last night was rather frustrating and I definitely experienced a low for not only the playoffs but the entire season, but I'm still confident in this team.

Need to win game 3 and hopefully game 4. Once you start losing at home you're in trouble.

My original prediction of Rangers in 6 stands. We owned that team last night. The 2 OT game was a godsend for us.

This team isn't dead yet. Down 2-0? Yes, but losing two in OT is preferable to them having lost both 5-1.

The Rangers have not played perfect hockey, but they have played well enough to prove they can hang (and win if they could hold onto a 2 goal lead).

Double OT with a game tomorrow is a quick turn around that benefits NY, I feel that by 11 PM tomorrow night this series is 2-1 as a result.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

Now watch the gif, McDonagh pushes King out away from the crease toward the goal line. King intentionally transfers his weight to his left leg to get position on McD and makes contact with Lundy IN THE CREASE! Text book goalie interference.

 

[tbonenc*]

Xref is proving that he is truly an ex ref.

 

[Xref]

By not pushing off with his right skate... It's really not that complicated, his left foot is turned pointing towards Hank and he pushes off with his right skate. If you know anything about skating you know that he will then go in the direction of his lead foot.

Initial contact, McDonagh actually was trying to move King out of the crease. Physics be damned. Had King been an inanimate object McDonagh would have moved him the opposite direction something that seems to be ignored here is that King has his own momentum, which is up and to the left. He is pushing off hence why his right leg is extended.

King is headed towards the slot. McD pushes him TOWARDS the goal line. The momentum carries him into Hank's path. Not a thing he could have done to avoid the contact. I know a thing or two about skating. Seems you don't, at all.

 

[haohmaru]

Wow, pretty clear from this that McDonagh tries to push King away from Hank, but King is fighting his way through the crease. That, my friends, is the definition of goaltender interference.

I don't how anyone could argue it. It's a blown call. You can say what you want about resiliency and overcoming bad calls or whatever but that's a call that's made all year long in games that mean a hell of a lot less.

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

Xref is proving that he is truly an ex ref.

I think he just walked into the wall again.

 

[yrrebbor]

http://www.tsn.ca/VideoHub/?collection=72&show=377836



King pushes off on his right skate and moves left towards Lundqvist, he was trying to sell the contact as the reason he went into the crease.

King pushed through McD (WTF McD... Do your job) and crashed into Hank.

I don't know why there are posters here trying to absolve the officiating here? If this was only one bad call, fine it sucks, they're human, move on. These horrible mistakes have become commonplace, and they no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt. This lose is a DIRECT result of piss poor, inconsistent officiating, period.

Video review rules need to be changed. All goals should be able to be reviewed. The OT missed call such (should not be a penalty unless obviously deliberate), and they should have let it go mentally immediately!

 

[haohmaru]

King is headed towards the slot. McD pushes him TOWARDS the goal line. The momentum carries him into Hank's path. Not a thing he could have done to avoid the contact. I know a thing or two about skating. Seems you don't, at all.

King shouldn't be in the crease to begin with.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I don't know why there are posters here trying to absolve the officiating here? If this was only one bad call, fine it sucks, they're human, move on. These horrible mistakes have become commonplace, and they no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt. This lose is a DIRECT result of piss poor, inconsistent officiating, period.

I agree that especially the 3rd goal were horrendous and changed the game. But I CANNOT agree with the bolded. If Kreider, Zucc, Richards, Stralman bury 1 of their combined 5+ glorious chances they are going back to MSG at 1-1. If they could cut down on the turnovers by say, 20, they could be going back 1-1. If Richards can make a pass or win a puck battle, they could be going back 1-1. If Ranger defensemen could clear the crease, they could be going back 1-1. If Rick Nash could not put 80% of his shots into Quick's chest, they could be going back 1-1.

They got hosed and it was a big factor. They also flat out **** the bed repeatedly when it matter most. As pissed as I am at that call I am 100x more pissed at the lack of execution.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

King is headed towards the slot. McD pushes him TOWARDS the goal line. The momentum carries him into Hank's path. Not a thing he could have done to avoid the contact. I know a thing or two about skating. Seems you don't, at all.

Yes clearly I don't lol.

King is under his own power and moving towards Hank you realize the slot is another 30 degrees or so to King's right?

Your whole purpose here is to argue for arguments sake, not worth my time. I've heard you never argue with a fool because they'll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.

 

[Xref]

King shouldn't be in the crease to begin with.

Yup, McD should not have checked him into the crease.

 

[haohmaru]

Yup, McD should not have checked him into the crease.

He was in the crease of his own volition. McD didn't put him there.

 

[Whiplash27]

King is headed towards the slot. McD pushes him TOWARDS the goal line. The momentum carries him into Hank's path. Not a thing he could have done to avoid the contact. I know a thing or two about skating. Seems you don't, at all.

Except the fact that King shouldn't be skating through the crease to get to the slot to begin with.


Let's not forget the fact that the Kings should have had a penalty for delay of game moments before the game winning goal. The Rangers got robbed, plain and simple.

 

[Xref]

Except the fact that King shouldn't be skating through the crease to get to the slot to begin with.


Let's not forget the fact that the Kings should have had a penalty for delay of game moments before the game winning goal. The Rangers got robbed, plain and simple.

You are allowed to skate through the crease.