Post-Game Talk: Rangers Kings game 2

[Jabroni]

Forget about the contact for a second.

The Kings player is standing with 2 skates in the crease where the puck is being shot. This denies Hank an opportunity to make a save. No goal.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26480

69.1 Interference on the Goalkeeper - This rule is based on the premise that an attacking player’s position, whether inside or outside the crease, should not, by itself, determine whether a goal should be allowed or disallowed. In other words, goals scored while attacking players are standing in the crease may, in appropriate circumstances be allowed. Goals should be disallowed only if: (1) an attacking player, either by his positioning or by contact, impairs the goalkeeper’s ability to move freely within his crease or defend his goal; or (2) an attacking player initiates intentional or deliberate contact with a goalkeeper, inside or outside of his goal crease.

 

[chosen]

Let it go.

Nah.

Curious to know who should have stopped a goal where you say the goalie was interfered with. I think you're one of those posters who always gets on Hank, so this is too good to not pursue.

A goalie was interfered with, but should have stopped the puck.

That's good stuff.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

http://www.tsn.ca/VideoHub/?collection=72&show=377836



King pushes off on his right skate and moves left towards Lundqvist, he was trying to sell the contact as the reason he went into the crease.

Haha, well said. Awesome post!

 

[Clown Fiesta]

So now it is for me to focus on Monday nights encounter.
Get my thoughts together, my emotions, my spirit.

Enjoy this wonderfully beautiful Sunday everyone.

Let's Go Rangers!!!

That's the spirit! Not worried unless we lose at home, the Kings haven't had a lead in this series yet. The Kings have had some good fortune but I don't see it lasting forever hopefully it shifts in the Rangers favor in games 3 and 4.

 

[Xref]

http://www.tsn.ca/VideoHub/?collection=72&show=377836



King pushes off on his right skate and moves left towards Lundqvist, he was trying to sell the contact as the reason he went into the crease.

That's cute. If McD doesn't push King, nothing happens and this is a non issue.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

Outside of the crease, at which point King continued into the crease and interfered with Hank instead of avoiding that contact.

Kerry Fraser says it's a penalty and that it shouldn't have been allowed, also says they need to allow review in those situations.

BS call is BS. Defending it is worse.

A review needs to be allowed on these plays. Hell it should be allowed on any goal.

I'm more upset with the inconsistency on similar plays. It's the biggest series...get it right.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

C'mon, guys. I know the "big" thing to do is to say you've got to overcome those plays but stop trying to justify the call. Leaving aside the gross iniquity of applying a different standard to the call on Pouliot (which I think was a penalty for similar reasons), King was NOT pushed into Hank. McDonagh simply stops him cold and so he tries to worm his way around to get to the front to get his stick in position to make the deflection. In so doing, he not only a) bumps Hank, he b) establishes position in the crease that would prevent Hank getting to the puck even if he hadn't been bumped. It was horrendous and too important a play to get that wrong.

The fact that the ref didn't try to claim it was clean, but rather that it didn't matter because the puck was already by Hank and Fraser came out to say it was a penalty are both pretty damning as well, IMO.

(Miss Fraser - I always thought helmet hair was the best.)

 

[Clown Fiesta]

That's cute. If McD doesn't push King, nothing happens and this is a non issue.

McDonagh is allowed to push King, this is a contact sport. King is per the rules supposed to avoid contact with the goaltender. I know ignorance is bliss, but it's still ignorance. I rarely if ever complain about or question calls but the officiating was so bad last night that I think it's fair to bring it to light. No idea why you want to defend King and blame McDonagh but do as you wish. You're in the minority big time.

 

[haohmaru]

What really bugs me about this is that all season/playoffs long the NHL has been protecting goalies to the point of making me nauseous. Whether a player is pushed in by his own team or not it's called nearly 100% of the time and it doesn't matter whose fault it is. I've watched it all year long in hundreds of NHL games and, now, in the FINAL is when they choose to let one go?

It's the lack of consistency that's completely infuriating.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

That's cute. If McD doesn't push King, nothing happens and this is a non issue.

The only physical contact that McDonagh does is to try and push him in the opposite direction to get out of the crease. McDonagh is ineffectively trying to push King out of the crease to the right of Hank. King refuses to even get out of the crease, which should disallow the goal on principle, and then easily falls over Hank. Even if there was no pushing and Hank had tried to save the puck and Williams was in the crease, that should have been disallowed.

You're arguing for something that absolutely no one else supports, including an established veteran ref who is being paid to discuss, dissect, and clarify these exact situations for common fans that may not understand the rules of the NHL. You're fighting a losing battle here.

 

[NCRanger]

It's hard for me to accept that people in here can't see the difference a momentum swing can have throughout shifts, games, and series.

The momentum swing off the 3rd goal was large enough, but the thing that bothers me more than the non-goalie interference is the completely botched icing call right before what would have been the post-14 minute media break.

THAT CALL really shifted the momentum of the period even more than the goal did. It gave the Kings 200 free feet of ice against a tired Ranger line that had to ice the puck again once they got control. Then, they had to call a timeout. All of this directly led to the 4th Kings goal.

I can live with them missing the interference. I'm ticked off about it, but it is a judgment call. Wrong call, but still a discretionary call. I can't accept botching black and white rules, i.e. icing and delay of game. To me, that's where it looked like they were trying to give the Kings an advantage to give them a chance to tie the game.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

I don't know why there are posters here trying to absolve the officiating here? If this was only one bad call, fine it sucks, they're human, move on. These horrible mistakes have become commonplace, and they no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt. This lose is a DIRECT result of piss poor, inconsistent officiating, period.

 

[Dr. Ogrodnick]

C'mon, guys. I know the "big" thing to do is to say you've got to overcome those plays but stop trying to justify the call. Leaving aside the gross iniquity of applying a different standard to the call on Pouliot (which I think was a penalty for similar reasons), King was NOT pushed into Hank. McDonagh simply stops him cold and so he tries to worm his way around to get to the front to get his stick in position to make the deflection. In so doing, he not only a) bumps Hank, he b) establishes position in the crease that would prevent Hank getting to the puck even if he hadn't been bumped. It was horrendous and too important a play to get that wrong.

The fact that the ref didn't try to claim it was clean, but rather that it didn't matter because the puck was already by Hank and Fraser came out to say it was a penalty are both pretty damning as well, IMO.

(Miss Fraser - I always thought helmet hair was the best.)

Exactly, the ref's explanation indicates that he blew the call, as his explanation as to why it wasn't a penalty is in direct contrast with the video evidence. Either way its all anybody is talking about this morning. A huge black eye for the league as instead of talking about the good hockey all the stories are about its poor reffing.

 

[tbonenc*]

Nah.

Curious to know who should have stopped a goal where you say the goalie was interfered with. I think you're one of those posters who always gets on Hank, so this is too good to not pursue.

A goalie was interfered with, but should have stopped the puck.

That's good stuff.

Why would I get into an argument with you on a subject that you have no knowledge?

As I have said previously, let it go.

 

[Xref]

McDonagh is allowed to push King, this is a contact sport. King is per the rules supposed to avoid contact with the goaltender. I know ignorance is bliss, but it's still ignorance. I rarely if ever complain about or question calls but the officiating was so bad last night that I think it's fair to bring it to light. No idea why you want to defend King and blame McDonagh but do as you wish. You're in the minority big time.

How on earth is a player supposed to "avoid contact" when he's pushed into the path of the goalie? It's unrealistic to expect it. Certainly bring it to light. I'm not saying it shouldn't be discussed. Seems you, and many others DON'T want another opinion posted. Weird. And I couldn't care less about being in the minority when it comes to OPINION. The majority opinion is not always right.

 

[chosen]

McDonagh is allowed to push King, this is a contact sport. King is per the rules supposed to avoid contact with the goaltender. I know ignorance is bliss, but it's still ignorance. I rarely if ever complain about or question calls but the officiating was so bad last night that I think it's fair to bring it to light. No idea why you want to defend King and blame McDonagh but do as you wish. You're in the minority big time.

Of course a player can push a player. That is not the debate.

Most here believe it was absolutely goalie interference. Xref thinks it wasn't. I think it is a tough call to make because King was skating through the crease but McD did push him into Hank. I lean towards goalie interference, but to me it is not as clear cut as most of you believe.

The notion posted here that McD pushed King away from Hank is nuts. Talk about not understanding physics.

 

[SA16]

The momentum swing off the 3rd goal was large enough, but the thing that bothers me more than the non-goalie interference is the completely botched icing call right before what would have been the post-14 minute media break.

THAT CALL really shifted the momentum of the period even more than the goal did. It gave the Kings 200 free feet of ice against a tired Ranger line that had to ice the puck again once they got control. Then, they had to call a timeout. All of this directly led to the 4th Kings goal.

I can live with them missing the interference. I'm ticked off about it, but it is a judgment call. Wrong call, but still a discretionary call. I can't accept botching black and white rules, i.e. icing and delay of game. To me, that's where it looked like they were trying to give the Kings an advantage to give them a chance to tie the game.

They botched so many icing calls in this game. There was that first one there that Pouliot easily had, there was another Kreider would have had (I think on a high flip to the corner) and others. Without that call on Pouliot we get a line change and who knows what would have happened but we definitely don't have back to back icings with the same guys stuck too long on the ice

 

[chosen]

What really bugs me about this is that all season/playoffs long the NHL has been protecting goalies to the point of making me nauseous. Whether a player is pushed in by his own team or not it's called nearly 100% of the time and it doesn't matter whose fault it is. I've watched it all year long in hundreds of NHL games and, now, in the FINAL is when they choose to let one go?

It's the lack of consistency that's completely infuriating.

The lack of consistency is the crime, but it involves human judgment, which is never perfect.

 

[tbonenc*]

I don't know why there are posters here trying to absolve the officiating here? If this was only one bad call, fine it sucks, they're human, move on. These horrible mistakes have become commonplace, and they no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt. This lose is a DIRECT result of piss poor, inconsistent officiating, period.

I don't want to be the fan who places the blame for a loss entirely on the refs, so I won't. But, the last thing the NHL wants is for the refs to be the story. Hopefully, changes are made as a result.

 

[haohmaru]

King was trying to get to the front of the net by skating through the crease between McD and Lundqvist. Hard for McD not to engage there and regardless of push or no push, King shouldn't have been in the crease to begin with. Pouliout tried the same thing (squeezing between the Kings player and Quick) and got penalized without the puck being there. If that's a penalty then this was surely a penalty and the ref's "explanation" that the "puck was already behind Lundqvist" (it wasn't) is complete BS.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Of course a player can push a player. That is not the debate.

Most here believe it was absolutely goalie interference. Xref thinks it wasn't. I think it is a tough call to make because King was skating through the crease but McD did push him into Hank. I lean towards goalie interference, but to me it is not as clear cut as most of you believe.

The notion posted here that McD pushed King away from Hank is nuts. Talk about not understanding physics.

If you watch the video above, McDonagh's motion and force is entirely contradictory to the direction that Hank is moving towards. He simply did not have the strength to push King out of the way.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

I don't know why there are posters here trying to absolve the officiating here? If this was only one bad call, fine it sucks, they're human, move on. These horrible mistakes have become commonplace, and they no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt. This lose is a DIRECT result of piss poor, inconsistent officiating, period.

Sorry I spelled loss wrong. I'm one this damn I-phone and the keys are small. Lol

 

[tbonenc*]

Of course a player can push a player. That is not the debate.

Most here believe it was absolutely goalie interference. Xref thinks it wasn't. I think it is a tough call to make because King was skating through the crease but McD did push him into Hank. I lean towards goalie interference, but to me it is not as clear cut as most of you believe.

The notion posted here that McD pushed King away from Hank is nuts. Talk about not understanding physics.

Questionable..maybe, but that question is removed by virtue of the Poulliot call. The refs need to, at a minimum, call the game consistently.

 

[chosen]

Why would I get into an argument with you on a subject that you have no knowledge?

As I have said previously, let it go.

I understand that you made an illogical statement and got called on it. An appropriate time for you to drop it. I will now let it go.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

Sorry I spelled loss wrong. I'm one this damn I-phone and the keys are small. Lol

Haohmaru, can you please repost that gif so the blind among us can see the direction King was pushed? Thanks