Post-Game Talk: Rangers Kings game 2

[haohmaru]

At this point I throw JT Miller out there for Richards who is completely out of gas, too.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

You need more exclamation points or you could try all caps.

Do you truly believe that the Rangers deserved to win that game? If they blew 4 two goal leads, would they still deserve it? 5?

Why aren't you angry at your team? I'm angry at them.

This is the last time I'm responding to you and this nonsense. I don't know if you have ever played hockey, but you don't just score because you want too! These are the pros, it's hard enough to score without shoddy officiating spotting a team a goal! Then there's a little thing called momentum, but I digress..... I can't argue with you anymore. Your right, the Kings have dominated the pathetically inept Rangers, and they are well on their way to steamrolling OUR sorry ass team to a sweep!

 

[InwoodBlueNYC]

I am very proud to be a fan of the NY Rangers. I think the WHOLE team..every player...played excellently last night. They back checked, fore checked, hit, scored, everything you could ask. I was impressed by their strength, grittiness and tenacity.
They now have a huge opportunity to tie things up when they return home to MSG.
I fully expect them to win the next two games to bring the series to 2-2

Let's Go Rangers!! and I mean that from the bottom of my heart

 

[tbonenc*]

At this point I throw JT Miller out there for Richards who is completely out of gas, too.

I don't disagree, but is it an out of gas thing or just a complete choke? The guy just can't make a play. He loses control of the puck, loses puck battles and is a complete liability on the point on the PP.

I guess he had a chance to stay with the team prior to the Finals, but I think he has sealed his fate.

 

[eco's bones]

Even if one wants to say the refs sucked, the Rangers sucked worse.

No--it just makes me wonder sometimes. It almost seems to me that you consider these on ice officials as tangential background characters having almost no effect on the outcome of this or that game when it's very obvious to me and I suspect many others that they very often have their fingerprints all over the outcomes of quite a number of games.

 

[tbonenc*]

Who should have stopped it if it was goalie interference?

Not looking to debate.

LGR

 

[haohmaru]

I don't disagree, but is it an out of gas thing or just a complete choke? The guy just can't make a play. He loses control of the puck, loses puck battles and is a complete liability on the point on the PP.

I guess he had a chance to stay with the team prior to the Finals, but I think he has sealed his fate.

They have to buy him out and I don't care if he scores 4 GWG in a row and we win the Cup.

 

[Loff]

What a stupid loss. King's goal was a steaming pile of bull****. If that was waved off I'm certain we go home with a W. Regardless, we've had the lead in both games. Boys gotta tighten it up.

And I'm sick of seeing Williams skate untouched out there btw. He's not a monster, ****ing steamroll him already. Jesus.

 

[Jabroni]

What aggregates me is that we have been the better team and that the whole"west is best" mantra is complete garbage. They aren't that great.

 

[truebluegoalie]

Don't presume to tell me what I would have said! If that had happened to Rangers and Quick, or any other goalie was in their crease, I would absolutely say it is interference! The deciding factor being the GOALIE IS IN HIS CREASE! Short of a defender slamming someone in to the goalie, that's goalie interference every day of the week and against every team! The goalie has to be able to attempt a save, especially in the crease! Besides, McDonagh barely touched him. This resulted in a huge momentum swing! If you can't see that I don't know what to tell you.

When Pouliot was called I thought it was a marginal call but I was ok with it. The fact that the Rangers didn't get the same call in the third is absolutely disgraceful. The ref's explanation wasn't that he was pushed in, which could have at least been a more reasonable excuse than what he claimed which was that the contact came after the puck was in the net. Total bs. I just don't understand how that play isn't goalie interference.

 

[chosen]

This is the last time I'm responding to you and this nonsense. I don't know if you have ever played hockey, but you don't just score because you want too! These are the pros, it's hard enough to score without shoddy officiating spotting a team a goal! Then there's a little thing called momentum, but I digress..... I can't argue with you anymore. Your right, the Kings have dominated the pathetically inept Rangers, and they are well on their way to steamrolling OUR sorry ass team to a sweep!

I played college hockey, not that it matters.

You just don't score because you want to? What does that even mean?

Did I say the Kings dominated? I said the Rangers made some huge mistakes and couldn't protect a 2 goal lead 4 times in this series, over 2 games.

Sorry you can't face reality and admit that the Rangers have primarily themselves to blame for where they currently find themselves.

You can't address that Hank screwed up on a goal and that McDonagh and Kreider blew it on another. Those are facts. All you have to do is watch the replay I posted.

You just continue to whine about outside forces and refuse to see the things where our guys screwed up. I have no way of knowing, but if you were one of the fools who constantly whined about what Montreal fans were constantly whining about, than it would be pathetic.

The refs blew a couple calls. The players blew a couple of plays. The Rangers have no control over the refs, but they can control their own play.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

No--it just makes me wonder sometimes. It almost seems to me that you consider these on ice officials as tangential background characters having almost no effect on the outcome of this or that game when it's very obvious to me and I suspect many others that they very often have their fingerprints all over the outcomes of quite a number of games.

Perfectly said eco's! I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

[chosen]

No--it just makes me wonder sometimes. It almost seems to me that you consider these on ice officials as tangential background characters having almost no effect on the outcome of this or that game when it's very obvious to me and I suspect many others that they very often have their fingerprints all over the outcomes of quite a number of games.

They also have their fingerprints over Ranger victories, so it's a wash to me, unless you are one of those that believes the league has it in for us, which I would be shocked to find out, since you have always been one of the level-headed ones here.

 

[OverTheCap]

The non-call may have set the wheels in motion for the Kings' second comeback of the night, but the Rangers had many opportunities to put the game away after it was 4-4. Richards, Stepan, Kreider (both hitting the post and the breakaway chance), and Stralman all the had the games on their sticks and blew it.

McDonagh had a decent start to the game offensively, but it was downhill after that and he had trouble with puck management in the second half of the game. John Moore was struggling to move the puck up the ice. Hagelin-Richards-MSL was brutal defensively. Our 4th line is the only line that can get the forecheck going and win battles on the board consistently.

The Rangers were plagued by a few of the issues they had in Game 1 - they were still a little careless with the puck in their own zone and they had trouble finishing on some good chances. It seems like whenever the Rangers made a mistake it ended up in the back of our net, but the Kings made even more turnovers than us and we couldn't capitalize from the 3rd period onwards.

So far the Kings have shown more mental adversity than the Rangers. Being down 2 goals twice in one game doesn't faze them in the least. Their net presence has been great as well. They are a formidable opponent and the Rangers will have to play the best hockey of the playoffs if they want to tie this up.

 

[chosen]

Not looking to debate.

LGR

You said it was goalie interference.

You said the puck should have been stopped.

Since Hank was interfered with, you don't think he should have stopped it, so it's a reasonable question to wonder who should have stopped it. Do you mean McDonagh?

 

[chosen]

What aggregates me is that we have been the better team and that the whole"west is best" mantra is complete garbage. They aren't that great.

Did you post from a phone?

 

[truebluegoalie]

The non-call may have set the wheels in motion for the Kings' second comeback of the night, but the Rangers had many opportunities to put the game away after it was 4-4. Richards, Stepan, Kreider (both hitting the post and the breakaway chance), and Stralman all the had the games on their sticks and blew it.

McDonagh had a decent start to the game offensively, but it was downhill after that and he had trouble with puck management in the second half of the game. John Moore was struggling to move the puck up the ice. Hagelin-Richards-MSL was brutal defensively. Our 4th line is the only line that can get the forecheck going and win battles on the board consistently.

The Rangers were plagued by a few of the issues they had in Game 1 - they were still a little careless with the puck in their own zone and they had trouble finishing on some good chances. It seems like whenever the Rangers made a mistake it ended up in the back of our net, but the Kings made even more turnovers than us and we couldn't capitalize from the 3rd period onwards.

So far the Kings have shown more mental adversity than the Rangers. Being down 2 goals twice in one game doesn't faze them in the least. Their net presence has been great as well. They are a formidable opponent and the Rangers will have to play the best hockey of the playoffs if they want to tie this up.

I think they got in his head. That retaliation penalty he took in front of the bench was very unlike him. From that point on he just seemed off his game. Moore was probably just rusty (thanks NHL), I didin't think he was that bad, and it is still and improvement over Diaz.

 

[haohmaru]

I played college hockey, not that it matters.

You just don't score because you want to? What does that even mean?

Did I say the Kings dominated? I said the Rangers made some huge mistakes and couldn't protect a 2 goal lead 4 times in this series, over 2 games.

Sorry you can't face reality and admit that the Rangers have primarily themselves to blame for where they currently find themselves.

You can't address that Hank screwed up on a goal and that McDonagh and Kreider blew it on another. Those are facts. All you have to do is watch the replay I posted.

You just continue to whine about outside forces and refuse to see the things where our guys screwed up. I have no way of knowing, but if you were one of the fools who constantly whined about what Montreal fans were constantly whining about, than it would be pathetic.

The refs blew a couple calls. The players blew a couple of plays. The Rangers have no control over the refs, but they can control their own play.

The problem with this line of reasoning is the lack of understanding, I guess, of the impact of momentum swings on hockey games. It's one thing if your team loses momentum because of a bad play, because they're tired, because of a lucky bounce, etc...

It's completely different when your team loses momentum because of a terrible call that results in the other team getting a goal, and more importantly, getting momentum back.

Pretty much everyone thinks that call was a blown interference (not a two minute penalty) call and the direct result was the Kings getting back in the game and getting belief back.

It was huge and I believe it cost us the game.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

When Pouliot was called I thought it was a marginal call but I was ok with it. The fact that the Rangers didn't get the same call in the third is absolutely disgraceful. The ref's explanation wasn't that he was pushed in, which could have at least been a more reasonable excuse than what he claimed which was that the contact came after the puck was in the net. Total bs. I just don't understand how that play isn't goalie interference.

Haomaru posted a gif that clearly shows McDonagh clearly pushing king the OPPOSITE direction in which he fell. There is no doubt that it was interference!

 

[Vidic15*]

Not going to panic. Win the next two, then go back to Mexifornia. LGR!!!

 

[truebluegoalie]

Haomaru posted a gif that clearly shows McDonagh clearly pushing king the OPPOSITE direction in which he fell. There is no doubt that it was interference!

I am not saying it wasn't, I was just saying that would have been a more believable and probably more debatable reason for the call than saying that the contact came after the puck was in the net.

Like I said, I just don't understand how that goal gets allowed and Pouliot goes off for less earlier in the game. The lack of consistency is very frustrating, especially on such an important play.

 

[Xref]

This will undoubtedly be met with scorn from many, but the 4-3 goal was legit. The King player was making his way towards the front of the net, McDonut cut off his lane and bumped him into the crease/into Hank. I don't think that the King player had any option, momentum carried him into Hank. So I don't have any issue with the "non call".

Our team played a great game, they could have easily won it, just like game 1, even more so in game 2. We had plenty of chances to score more goals, we just couldn't. LA is a team of cockroaches, they refuse to go away. A 2 goal lead is not safe, even in the 3rd period. Unreal.

Nash and Richards have dryballs disease. They have no fire power and we're up against a team that is overloaded with fire power. Advantage Kings. But our boys are giving them one hell of a run for their money. 2 OT games out of 2 says it all. We're not getting steamrolled as many experts predicted. But at the same time, we don't have the same level of skill, man to man. No complaints from me, this has been a great series so far.

 

[chosen]

The problem with this line of reasoning is the lack of understanding, I guess, of the impact of momentum swings on hockey games. It's one thing if your team loses momentum because of a bad play, because they're tired, because of a lucky bounce, etc...

It's completely different when your team loses momentum because of a terrible call that results in the other team getting a goal, and more importantly, getting momentum back.

Pretty much everyone thinks that call was a blown interference (not a two minute penalty) call and the direct result was the Kings getting back in the game and getting belief back.

It was huge and I believe it cost us the game.

Momentum changes many times within a game. The momentum did not make McDonagh make a play worthy of a #7 defenseman, instead of one of the best defensemen in the game. It did not make Kreider make a bad play.

I understand that players make mistakes, even the very best ones, but when they make them and it affects the outcome, I think it is the major factor in a loss.

 

[mookrangers]

This will undoubtedly be met with scorn from many, but the 4-3 goal was legit. The King player was making his way towards the front of the net, McDonut cut off his lane and bumped him into the crease/into Hank. I don't think that the King player had any option, momentum carried him into Hank. So I don't have any issue with the "non call".

Our team played a great game, they could have easily won it, just like game 1, even more so in game 2. We had plenty of chances to score more goals, we just couldn't. LA is a team of cockroaches, they refuse to go away. A 2 goal lead is not safe, even in the 3rd period. Unreal.

Nash and Richards have dryballs disease. They have no fire power and we're up against a team that is overloaded with fire power. Advantage Kings. But our boys are giving them one hell of a run for their money. 2 OT games out of 2 says it all. We're not getting steamrolled as many experts predicted. But at the same time, we don't have the same level of skill, man to man. No complaints from me, this has been a great series so far.

It's the responsibility of the offensive player to get out of the crease and away from the goaltender. McDonagh didn't change his path at all, he boxed him out and that's what he's supposed to do. It's on King to get out of the way, and he didn't. No different than what happened to Pouliot earlier in the game, which was the right call.

 

[truebluegoalie]

This will undoubtedly be met with scorn from many, but the 4-3 goal was legit. The King player was making his way towards the front of the net, McDonut cut off his lane and bumped him into the crease/into Hank. I don't think that the King player had any option, momentum carried him into Hank. So I don't have any issue with the "non call".

Then what about Pouliot getting called for the same thing earlier in the game? Sorry but I can't buy that when the same exact thing was called earlier on a relatively less important play.