Post-Game Talk: Rangers Kings game 2

[KOVALEV022473]

The shot into the crowd was the only clear miss by the refs and assuming a Rangers goal on the ensuing penalty is possible but very far from a given.

The goalie interference was a tough call and I'm not sure what the right call is there. I do know that if it it was a Ranger in the Kings crease that didn't get called, no one here would have thought it was interference and would have been incredulous at another fan base suggesting that it was.

Complaining about hybrid icing is weaker than the whining of the Montreal fans.

They blew a 2 goal lead for the second game in a row. They committed some horrendous defensive gaffes. McDonagh and Kreider particularly sucked at crunch time on the Gaborik goal. McDonagh's play there was as bad as Girardi in Game 1. Everyone here bellowed about Girardi. Where is the similar outrage for McDonagh? That wasn't the refs.

The Rangers **** the bed two games in a row. Want to be mad, be mad at them.

And it is tiring reading posts claiming they will never watch hockey again, like any idiot believes that.

There's just too much LOL in this post to even debate it!

 

[eco's bones]

The shot into the crowd was the only clear miss by the refs and assuming a Rangers goal on the ensuing penalty is possible but very far from a given.

The goalie interference was a tough call and I'm not sure what the right call is there. I do know that if it it was a Ranger in the Kings crease that didn't get called, no one here would have thought it was interference and would have been incredulous at another fan base suggesting that it was.

Complaining about hybrid icing is weaker than the whining of the Montreal fans.

They blew a 2 goal lead for the second game in a row. They committed some horrendous defensive gaffes. McDonagh and Kreider particularly sucked at crunch time on the Gaborik goal. McDonagh's play there was as bad as Girardi in Game 1. Everyone here bellowed about Girardi. Where is the similar outrage for McDonagh? That wasn't the refs.

The Rangers **** the bed two games in a row. Want to be mad, be mad at them.

And it is tiring reading posts claiming they will never watch hockey again, like any idiot believes that.

Bad calls are part of the game. The officiating sucks. It's always sucked. It sucks in the regular season so why would it change now? Sometimes you're on the good side of calls--sometimes you're not. IMO King should have gotten an interference call. If not--at the least O'Halloran should have called back the goal. Contact with the goalie. Lundqvist had no shot at stopping the puck. Instead the Kings got a huge momentum swing. Not much can be done about it now. Series isn't over until one team wins 4 games.

 

[BroadwayBlues]

Do the Refs just not like the Rangers? Hmmm...food for thought. In the meantime, Let's Go Rangers! It ain't over yet!

I don't know, but they sure aren't the darlings of the NHL. If you had any prior doubts, that much has been clear during this run.

 

[chosen]

There's just too much LOL in this post to even debate it!

What's the difference between the whining of a Montreal fan and you?

Nothing.

Why no outrage about McDonagh's absolutely horrendous play? Without that the series is 1-1.

I have been an enormous supporter of McD for a long time, but what he did goes without a mention. When Giradi does it, he's a dog.

Blinders on.

 

[TomLaidlaw]

This team has shown an awful lot of guts these playoffs. I'm not counting them out. Bottom line is that we blew two goal leads in each of the first two games. Nothing we can do about the past, gotta win two home games now.

 

[chosen]

Bad calls are part of the game. The officiating sucks. It's always sucked. It sucks in the regular season so why would it change now? Sometimes you're on the good side of calls--sometimes you're not. IMO King should have gotten an interference call. If not--at the least O'Halloran should have called back the goal. Contact with the goalie. Lundqvist had no shot at stopping the puck. Instead the Kings got a huge momentum swing. Not much can be done about it now. Series isn't over until one team wins 4 games.

Even if one wants to say the refs sucked, the Rangers sucked worse.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

Even if one wants to say the refs sucked, the Rangers sucked worse.

What sucks worse is some peoples attempt to seem so impartial and objective, that they come off as condescending dickwads!

 

[Space Herpe]

I worry about this, simply because the rest of the east will be better next year.

The Islanders will be better, guaranteed. The Capitals will most likely be better under Trotz. The Penguins will probably be better with a new coach. Montreal is on the up swing, Philly will be better, Toronto will probably be better, Tampa will be better. Bruins will remain elite.

Back in 2008 the Stanley Cup Finals, the Pens against the Wings, and I predicted the Wings. Why? Even though the Pens were a better team with better players, the Wings had more playoff experience.

Then, in 2009, a rematch happened: Pens vs. Wings. I went with the Pens. Why? They gained playoff experience (and were still a better team.)

The experience the Rangers are getting this season will be invaluable next year.

I really don't give a **** about the refs.

The fact of the matter is it's the Stanley Cup Finals and we've let 2 2-goal leads slip from our fingers.

****ing disgraceful.

Two sudden deaths, all it takes is one goal.
This series could easily be what it is, 1-1, or 2-0 Rangers. The Rangers have had just enough fair shots at that one goal in overtime to end the game.

 

[chosen]

What sucks worse is some peoples attempt to seem so impartial and objective, that they come off as condescending dickwads!

Being objective is more admirable than being partisan-blind to reality.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/hockey/nhl/gameflash/2014/06/07/34812_recap.html

At 1:40 of the above link, check out McDonagh's brain lock.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

What's the difference between the whining of a Montreal fan and you?

Nothing.

Why no outrage about McDonagh's absolutely horrendous play? Without that the series is 1-1.

I have been an enormous supporter of McD for a long time, but what he did goes without a mention. When Giradi does it, he's a dog.

Blinders on.

Answer me this, did Kings contact allow Lundy to make the save? If no, that's goaltender interference, and I stated it as a fact! Question 2, did the kings defenseman throw the puck over the glass? If yes, the call should have been delay of game, with a penalty in the offensive zone, not in the neutral zone. A play where moments later the kings scored on! That's two, count them, 2 goals gifted by the officiating! Call it whining all you want, I call it stating a fact!

 

[I Eat Crow]

I want to ****ing die.

The ridiculous non call on King's goal sparked the comeback, but if you're looking to pass blame, look right in the mirror. Blame McDonagh for playing around with the puck too much instead of clearing it up the boards. Blame Kreider for failing to put away two golden opportunities in OT. Blame Nash for being a complete non factor offensively. All 5 Kings goals were unstoppable. Can't blame Lundqvist.

This is the worst loss I've ever endured as a fan of this team. We're in the driver's seat in the third and blew a 2 goal lead three times in the game, and in the second game in a row.

Chances like Kreider's going off the post just shows it's not meant to be this year, and it's heartbreaking.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

Being objective is more admirable than being partisan-blind to reality.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/hockey/nhl/gameflash/2014/06/07/34812_recap.html

At 1:40 of the above link, check out McDonagh's brain lock.

There is nothing admirable about lauding oneself as being impartial!

 

[tbonenc*]

The shot into the crowd was the only clear miss by the refs and assuming a Rangers goal on the ensuing penalty is possible but very far from a given.

The goalie interference was a tough call and I'm not sure what the right call is there. I do know that if it it was a Ranger in the Kings crease that didn't get called, no one here would have thought it was interference and would have been incredulous at another fan base suggesting that it was.

Complaining about hybrid icing is weaker than the whining of the Montreal fans.

They blew a 2 goal lead for the second game in a row. They committed some horrendous defensive gaffes. McDonagh and Kreider particularly sucked at crunch time on the Gaborik goal. McDonagh's play there was as bad as Girardi in Game 1. Everyone here bellowed about Girardi. Where is the similar outrage for McDonagh? That wasn't the refs.

The Rangers **** the bed two games in a row. Want to be mad, be mad at them.

And it is tiring reading posts claiming they will never watch hockey again, like any idiot believes that.

Yep, poor play by McDonagh. But, too many Ranger players standing around out front with only one King. Big rebound by Hank. Plenty of blame to go around.

Should we jump on Hank for the first goal? IMO, that was pretty terrible. Way out of position. Where's the outrage????????

 

[ak10r]

F it, it is what it is...... Our theam did a us proud. It was a great game to watch. I'm over the sulking and looking forward to game three.

 

[chosen]

Answer me this, did Kings contact allow Lundy to make the save? If no, that's goaltender interference, and I stated it as a fact! Question 2, did the kings defenseman throw the puck over the glass? If yes, the call should have been delay of game, with a penalty in the offensive zone, not in the neutral zone. A play where moments later the kings scored on! That's two, count them, 2 goals gifted by the officiating! Call it whining all you want, I call it stating a fact!

The goalie interference would have been a clear call if McDonagh wasn't pushing the King in the direction of Hank. I think it was goalie interference, but I have no doubt that if the Rangers scored that exact goal that you would have thought it should have counted and that there was no interference.

The other call was 100% bogus, but did not cause the goal against.

The Rangers blew a 2 goal lead 3 times. That is unbelievable. They blew a 2 goal lead in the first game. Winners don't do that.

Despite the refs, the Rangers are responsible for being down 2-0.

 

[chosen]

There is nothing admirable about lauding oneself as being impartial!

You need more exclamation points or you could try all caps.

Do you truly believe that the Rangers deserved to win that game? If they blew 4 two goal leads, would they still deserve it? 5?

Why aren't you angry at your team? I'm angry at them.

 

[chosen]

Yep, poor play by McDonagh. But, too many Ranger players standing around out front with only one King. Big rebound by Hank. Plenty of blame to go around.

Should we jump on Hank for the first goal? IMO, that was pretty terrible. Way out of position. Where's the outrage????????

You're right. Hank sucked on that goal. The Rangers had enough bad plays to cause a loss. It worked.

 

[tbonenc*]

Refs sucked, as always.

Was it goalie interference, probably, especially after making the Poulliot call, but that puck must be stopped.

The team has played very well, but just can't seem to put it away when they have the opportunity.

Unfortunately, the Kings seem to have the hockey gods watching over them right now.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Woke up feeling like ****.

Really bad loss. Need 2 at MSG? Eesh.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

The goalie interference would have been a clear call if McDonagh wasn't pushing the King in the direction of Hank. I think it was goalie interference, but I have no doubt that if the Rangers scored that exact goal that you would have thought it should have counted and that there was no interference.

The other call was 100% bogus, but did not cause the goal against.

The Rangers blew a 2 goal lead 3 times. That is unbelievable. They blew a 2 goal lead in the first game. Winners don't do that.

Despite the refs, the Rangers are responsible for being down 2-0.

Don't presume to tell me what I would have said! If that had happened to Rangers and Quick, or any other goalie was in their crease, I would absolutely say it is interference! The deciding factor being the GOALIE IS IN HIS CREASE! Short of a defender slamming someone in to the goalie, that's goalie interference every day of the week and against every team! The goalie has to be able to attempt a save, especially in the crease! Besides, McDonagh barely touched him. This resulted in a huge momentum swing! If you can't see that I don't know what to tell you.

 

[Blue Blooded]

That made me nauseous and disgusted. Not just the OT winner, but I was nauseous and disgusted from the ridiculous 4-3 goal all the way up until the ridiculous OT winner.

My main takeaway from the game: The Richards line is so bad that we may have to break up all other lines to fix this. They have been killed possession-wise these entire playoffs, but has been saved by 96% goaltending up until this point. Not tonight though as they were on the ice for 3 out of 4 5v5 Kings goals.

Neither Richards nor St. Louis are good possession players, and Hagelin obviously isn't enough to offset this. The line gets the cushiest zone starts yet still get killed on the shot clock - mostly because they can't defend a lick and concede a ton of shots against.

St. Louis is one of the best drivers of goal scoring in the NHL, but he doesn't drive possession. Put him with Kreider and Stepan to get him some zone time.

Either Nash takes his place with Hagelin and Richards. But if you're afraid that will further reduce the chance of Nash ever scoring you mix up the other two offensive lines as well.

Scenario 1:

Kreider-Stepan-St. Louis
Hagelin-Richards-Nash
Pouliot-Brassard-Zuccarello
Boyle-Moore-Dorsett

Scenario 2:

Kreider-Stepan-St. Louis
Hagelin-Brassard-Nash
Pouliot-Richards-Zuccarello
Boyle-Moore-Dorsett

 

[chosen]

Refs sucked, as always.

Was it goalie interference, probably, especially after making the Poulliot call, but that puck must be stopped.

Who should have stopped it if it was goalie interference?

 

[NYR2007]

In overtime the rangers looked like they were just waiting for something to happen as opposed to making something happen

The rangers are use to holding on to their leads going into the third period. It's worked all year , they aren't able to do that against LA , and it appears they aren't making adjustments either

 

[chosen]

Don't presume to tell me what I would have said! If that had happened to Rangers and Quick, or any other goalie was in their crease, I would absolutely say it is interference! The deciding factor being the GOALIE IS IN HIS CREASE! Short of a defender slamming someone in to the goalie, that's goalie interference every day of the week and against every team! The goalie has to be able to attempt a save, especially in the crease! Besides, McDonagh barely touched him. This resulted in a huge momentum swing! If you can't see that I don't know what to tell you.

Did you think Kreider was reckless in the Price incident?

 

[haohmaru]

That was goalie interference without a doubt. Henrik couldn't move to his right to attempt to make the save because a King was in the crease. Not saying it should've been two minutes, but it shouldn't have been a goal.