Post-Game Talk: Rangers Kings game 2

[KOVALEV022473]

The problem with this line of reasoning is the lack of understanding, I guess, of the impact of momentum swings on hockey games. It's one thing if your team loses momentum because of a bad play, because they're tired, because of a lucky bounce, etc...

It's completely different when your team loses momentum because of a terrible call that results in the other team getting a goal, and more importantly, getting momentum back.

Pretty much everyone thinks that call was a blown interference (not a two minute penalty) call and the direct result was the Kings getting back in the game and getting belief back.

It was huge and I believe it cost us the game.

It's hard for me to accept that people in here can't see the difference a momentum swing can have throughout shifts, games, and series.

 

[Xref]

It's the responsibility of the offensive player to get out of the crease and away from the goaltender. McDonagh didn't change his path at all, he boxed him out and that's what he's supposed to do. It's on King to get out of the way, and he didn't. No different than what happened to Pouliot earlier in the game, which was the right call.

McD pushed the guy INTO Hank's path.

 

[Xref]

Then what about Pouliot getting called for the same thing earlier in the game? Sorry but I can't buy that when the same exact thing was called earlier on a relatively less important play.

Anyone have a similar gif of that play?

 

[chosen]

This will undoubtedly be met with scorn from many, but the 4-3 goal was legit. The King player was making his way towards the front of the net, McDonut cut off his lane and bumped him into the crease/into Hank. I don't think that the King player had any option, momentum carried him into Hank. So I don't have any issue with the "non call".

Our team played a great game, they could have easily won it, just like game 1, even more so in game 2. We had plenty of chances to score more goals, we just couldn't. LA is a team of cockroaches, they refuse to go away. A 2 goal lead is not safe, even in the 3rd period. Unreal.

Nash and Richards have dryballs disease. They have no fire power and we're up against a team that is overloaded with fire power. Advantage Kings. But our boys are giving them one hell of a run for their money. 2 OT games out of 2 says it all. We're not getting steamrolled as many experts predicted. But at the same time, we don't have the same level of skill, man to man. No complaints from me, this has been a great series so far.

Prepare for the wrath of Kovy Jr.

I especially like the idea that McDonagh was pushing him in the opposite direction he fell. This implies either that McDonagh was pulling him or that the Kings player took a dive.

I think it was a tough call to make.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

I am not saying it wasn't, I was just saying that would have been a more believable and probably more debatable reason for the call than saying that the contact came after the puck was in the net.

Like I said, I just don't understand how that goal gets allowed and Pouliot goes off for less earlier in the game. The lack of consistency is very frustrating, especially on such an important play.

I definitely agree 100%!

 

[truebluegoalie]

Anyone have a similar gif of that play?

I don't think so, I have been looking, but there was the quote from Hank:

"Benny got pushed in and tried to avoid him, and he gets two minutes. And the puck was not even there," Lundqvist said. "Then, we have the same play and they score. I don't think it's a penalty, but you've got to stop the play if the goalie can't move in his crease. It's not like I'm outside the crease. I play pretty deep. Just be consistent with it."

"Be consistent with it," he said. "If they don't call that [on King], you can't call what they called in the second period."

and he is right, this is why I think they should go back to one ref, more consistency.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

It's the responsibility of the offensive player to get out of the crease and away from the goaltender. McDonagh didn't change his path at all, he boxed him out and that's what he's supposed to do. It's on King to get out of the way, and he didn't. No different than what happened to Pouliot earlier in the game, which was the right call.

^This

 

[haohmaru]

McD pushed the guy INTO Hank's path.

No, not really. And the player, according to the rule, has to try to get out of the way, which he didn't. It's a pretty clear non-call. Pretty much everyone analyzing the game ("experts") say it was a **** call.

 

[Xref]

Prepare for the wrath of Kovy Jr.

I especially like the idea that McDonagh was pushing him in the opposite direction he fell. This implies either that McDonagh was pulling him or that the Kings player took a dive.

I think it was a tough call to make.

Having been in that position many times, it's definitely a tough call to make. But the right call was made. I think McD was trying to stop the guy from getting to the front of the net, but doing so he pushed him into Hank's path. And the puck was shot at the perfect spot. That's just the way it goes.

 

[tbonenc*]

You said it was goalie interference.

You said the puck should have been stopped.

Since Hank was interfered with, you don't think he should have stopped it, so it's a reasonable question to wonder who should have stopped it. Do you mean McDonagh?

Let it go.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

McD pushed the guy INTO Hank's path.

No he didn't. Look at the gif in the last page. He pushed King away from the crease back toward the goal line.

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

I still believe that we win this series. The only thing that last night told me was the Brad Richards doesn't belong on this team and that the Kings fatigue is only compounding.

Last night was rather frustrating and I definitely experienced a low for not only the playoffs but the entire season, but I'm still confident in this team.

Need to win game 3 and hopefully game 4. Once you start losing at home you're in trouble.

My original prediction of Rangers in 6 stands. We owned that team last night. The 2 OT game was a godsend for us.

 

[truebluegoalie]

Having been in that position many times, it's definitely a tough call to make. But the right call was made. I think McD was trying to stop the guy from getting to the front of the net, but doing so he pushed him into Hank's path. And the puck was shot at the perfect spot. That's just the way it goes.

Except the ref also didn't say he was pushed, he said the contact came after the puck was in the net.

 

[Xref]

No, not really. And the player, according to the rule, has to try to get out of the way, which he didn't. It's a pretty clear non-call. Pretty much everyone analyzing the game ("experts") say it was a **** call.

That's a generalized application of the rule in this case. He had NO chance to avoid contact with Hank. When the player is checked into the goalie, there is absolutely no way that you can expect him to be able to avoid contact.

 

[Clown Fiesta]

McD pushed the guy INTO Hank's path.

Outside of the crease, at which point King continued into the crease and interfered with Hank instead of avoiding that contact.

Kerry Fraser says it's a penalty and that it shouldn't have been allowed, also says they need to allow review in those situations.

BS call is BS. Defending it is worse.

 

[Xref]

No he didn't. Look at the gif in the last page. He pushed King away from the crease back toward the goal line.

The player had momentum. McD's action changed the direction of the momentum, into Hank. The player was clearly headed towards the slot area, McD changed his course, right into Hank. The video is clear.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

No he didn't. Look at the gif in the last page. He pushed King away from the crease back toward the goal line.

Kings momentum carried him forward into Lundy. Some clowns in here, not you Xref, clearly have no concept of physics, lol.

 

[Xref]

I don't think so, I have been looking, but there was the quote from Hank:

"Benny got pushed in and tried to avoid him, and he gets two minutes. And the puck was not even there," Lundqvist said. "Then, we have the same play and they score. I don't think it's a penalty, but you've got to stop the play if the goalie can't move in his crease. It's not like I'm outside the crease. I play pretty deep. Just be consistent with it."

"Be consistent with it," he said. "If they don't call that [on King], you can't call what they called in the second period."

and he is right, this is why I think they should go back to one ref, more consistency.

I agree with the inconsistency. But that's not what I'm discussing here. I'm just focussing on the play with Hank.

 

[haohmaru]

That's a generalized application of the rule in this case. He had NO chance to avoid contact with Hank. When the player is checked into the goalie, there is absolutely no way that you can expect him to be able to avoid contact.

I'll go with Kerry Fraser's opinion over yours, thank you very much.

He's got a tiny bit more experience than you, I'm sure.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

I don't think so, I have been looking, but there was the quote from Hank:

"Benny got pushed in and tried to avoid him, and he gets two minutes. And the puck was not even there," Lundqvist said. "Then, we have the same play and they score. I don't think it's a penalty, but you've got to stop the play if the goalie can't move in his crease. It's not like I'm outside the crease. I play pretty deep. Just be consistent with it."

"Be consistent with it," he said. "If they don't call that [on King], you can't call what they called in the second period."

and he is right, this is why I think they should go back to one ref, more consistency.

Are you crazy? Logic and common sense has no place here!

 

[Clown Fiesta]

The player had momentum. McD's action changed the direction of the momentum, into Hank. The player was clearly headed towards the slot area, McD changed his course, right into Hank. The video is clear.

http://www.tsn.ca/VideoHub/?collection=72&show=377836



King pushes off on his right skate and moves left towards Lundqvist, he was trying to sell the contact as the reason he went into the crease.

 

[Xref]

I'll go with Kerry Fraser's opinion over yours, thank you very much.

He's got a tiny bit more experience than you, I'm sure.

Sounds good. Movin on....

 

[BarbaraAlphanse]

Guys, goal 3 was a penalty. What is there to argue about it?

The league protects goalies the most. Rules are established that you can't physically go after goalies and that you also cannot impede their ability to save a puck. Williams did the second. Even if it wasn't called a penalty the goal should have been immediately waved off and the face-off come outside the Rangers zone on an incidental contact (which it wasn't).

Terrible, terrible non call that likely cost us the game.

 

[haohmaru]

Kerry Fraser
‏@kfraserthecall
@Derek_Conner Interference on the goalkeeper! Goal should have been disallowed.

 

[InwoodBlueNYC]

So now it is for me to focus on Monday nights encounter.
Get my thoughts together, my emotions, my spirit.

Enjoy this wonderfully beautiful Sunday everyone.

Let's Go Rangers!!!