Speculation: Rangers Head Coach Search (Laviolette being finalized? According to Vince and Friedman)

[McRanger92]

Yea he was a physically weak high ceiling 3rd rounder who paced for 40pts in his rookie season, Kakko was the NHL ready guy with "room for improvement: none" according to the draft broadcast; expected to get 60+ points and ended up with 23. Second and third seasons Kakko had 17 & 18pts. So Buch paced for the exact same number of points at the same age (with no NHL experience, while being Kakko's 4th season) despite one of them being a 2nd overall pick. And if you use the argument that Kakko was injured and that's why he only got 17 & 18pts sounds like he was getting hurt all the time just like Buch which was your original argument lol.

Buch had the much better start to his career, especially if you account for expectations and the draft capital it cost to get these 2 guys. Buchnevich rose his stock tremendously from the draft, Kakko has fell tremendously. No team takes Kakko 2nd overall in a redraft.

People were saying the same things about Kakko that they were about Buch at the same age. I don’t even dislike Buch it’s just that he’s apparently the measuring stick here (career high 48 points in NY btw). I wouldnt have given up on him at 21 so why are we acting like Kakko is a finished product at 21? Also who cares about where Kakko would go in a redraft or what draft “experts” said about him? He was the consensus pick at 2. The guy is going to be a really good player if they plug him next to Kreider & Mika like Gallant should’ve all season. If he improves by 10 points next year we’ll be paying him 5.5-6m. That was my original point

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Not inhaling copium =/= bashing

I just think for myself and am not part of the hive mind, I am no more hard on the team than anyone else I am just perhaps hard on different players. Look at the things people say about Panarin on a frequent basis. I don't show anywhere near that level of distain toward Laf or Kakko. I think most of the bashing of Panarin, Mika, etc is deflection away from the fact our 1st & 2nd overall picks have been historically bad. Literally producing worse than Yakupov thus far. Panarin has been our leading scorer every season since he signed here, he is our most productive player in franchise history. If our 1st & 2nd overall picks were swapped with any other 1st & 2nd overall pick nobody would be complaining about us ruining our rebuild, it would've lined up perfectly.

If Kakko said what Panarin said after the playoffs you would have been all over him instead of trying to make every excuse in existence.

You are far from unbiased.

What was Buchnevich doing at 21? Getting hurt every other shift like your boy Kravtsov

Hey now.

He was an NHL player. Kravtsov is not.

 

[Hitch16]

I am not advocating for this and I understand the backlash this can cause but the longer this goes, I feel that Quenneville is the guy. I posted this on another message board but Dolan and Sather have demonstrated that they do not care about the fan's perception.

I am not comparing issues and not everything was proven but

1. Sather picked up Craig MacTavish off of waivers after he pleaded guilty of vehicular homicide.
2. Billy Tibbetts
3. Patrick Kane was accused (please note: accused of a nasty situation)
4. Isiah Thomas

You can google what the accusations were.

Note to mods: delete this if this is going to turn controversial. My point is that the owner and the GM have been forgiving to others in the past.

Please keep this Ranger related and not the alleged issues.

 

[EdJovanovski]

If Kakko said what Panarin said after the playoffs you would have been all over him instead of trying to make every excuse in existence.

You are far from unbiased.



Hey now.

He was an NHL player. Kravtsov is not.

Everyone is biased, I never claimed not to be. I'm just saying his assertion that I'm not a Ranger fan because of how I talk about Laf & Kakko would be just as absurd as me saying people aren't Ranger fans for how they talk about Panarin. I have over 25K posts most of which are on the Rangers board, I pay a lot of money for good seats every time the Rangers come to town, I've posted the backstory to how I became a Rangers fan which is actually a pretty emotional one. Being a fan doesn't mean you can't criticize players

 

[NickyFotiu]

Everyone is biased, I never claimed not to be. I'm just saying his assertion that I'm not a Ranger fan because of how I talk about Laf & Kakko would be just as absurd as me saying people aren't Ranger fans for how they talk about Panarin. I have over 25K posts most of which are on the Rangers board, I pay a lot of money for good seats every time the Rangers come to town, I've posted the backstory to how I became a Rangers fan which is actually a pretty emotional one. Being a fan doesn't mean you can't criticize players

Honest criticism is not what you do. Not even close. You post thousands of posts that include much more personal hatred than honest criticism. Look at how far you pushed your insanity to Gallant. Many honest Ranger fans wanted Gallant fired. You joked about him being jailed and killed. I say joked giving you the benefit of the doubt but given the insane degree of your Krav obsession I can't even say for sure how far your encouraging hatred goes.

 

[alkurtz]

I am not advocating for this and I understand the backlash this can cause but the longer this goes, I feel that Quenneville is the guy. I posted this on another message board but Dolan and Sather have demonstrated that they do not care about the fan's perception.

I am not comparing issues and not everything was proven but

1. Sather picked up Craig MacTavish off of waivers after he pleaded guilty of vehicular homicide.
2. Billy Tibbetts
3. Patrick Kane was accused (please note: accused of a nasty situation)
4. Isiah Thomas

You can google what the accusations were.

Note to mods: delete this if this is going to turn controversial. My point is that the owner and the GM have been forgiving to others in the past.

Please keep this Ranger related and not the alleged issues.

But times have changed and there is little tolerance for the kinds of things Q was involved in.

This is not 30, 20, 10, or even 5 years ago.

No to Q, no matter how good a coach he might be.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

I’m sorry but no organization should make a decision based on what the fans want. Whether people want to admit it or not, Drury knows this organization front to back considering he was the captain, AHL GM, NHL assistant GM and now president. I know people don’t like him, and his moves have been hit or miss, but none have hurt us in the long term whatsoever. Even if it’s Hynes or Laviolette, people shouldn’t lose it over that. Wait until we know what the team looks like on the ice. Because the roster is a top 3 roster in the metro regardless of who is coaching.

Ofcourse they have hurt us in the long term....the Copp trade, the Kane trade are examples of throwing away assets. Signing Trochek to a long term deal hurts us in the long run. I know we made it to the eastern conference finals last year but we had no business being there at that point, ran into a slew of bad goaltending and us giving up a 1st round pick at that point was dumb, even the 1st this year was dumb even if i like Tarasenko. The team isn't near complete and wont be until the kids are a big part of it, all these things hurt us in the long run.

 

[Hitch16]

But times have changed and there is little tolerance for the kinds of things Q was involved in.

This is not 30, 20, 10, or even 5 years ago.

No to Q, no matter how good a coach he might be.

Great point @alkurtz

It's more of a criticism of our ownership who (in my opinion) show little regard to public perception. At least it's loyal fanbase.

 

[Avery16]

Joel Quenneville likely isn’t why Rangers’ coaching decision lingers

I could be wrong. That’s even happened a handful of times over four decades in the business.

Lol ok Larry

 

[McRanger92]

The best line from Brooks article on Hynes was he wants his players to “move with intent”. The Rangers play their best when they are moving their feet and far too often this year they were gliding around waiting for someone else to make a play. The veterans especially

 

[Gordon Bombay]

Is Drury in Banff fishing with sather?

Underrated. Old school post

 

[gravey9]

Best thing about hynes is the expectations will be very low. Very. Low.

 

[McRanger92]

Not inhaling copium =/= bashing

I just think for myself and am not part of the hive mind, I am no more hard on the team than anyone else I am just perhaps hard on different players. Look at the things people say about Panarin on a frequent basis. I don't show anywhere near that level of distain toward Laf or Kakko. I think most of the bashing of Panarin, Mika, etc is deflection away from the fact our 1st & 2nd overall picks have been historically bad. Literally producing worse than Yakupov thus far. Panarin has been our leading scorer every season since he signed here, he is our most productive player in franchise history. If our 1st & 2nd overall picks were swapped with any other 1st & 2nd overall pick nobody would be complaining about us ruining our rebuild, it would've lined up perfectly.

Panarin & Mika & Trouba get criticized the most because they make the most money and are the most experienced guys on the team. It’s not more complicated than that

 

[HANK30]

If given the choice between Lafiolette or Hynes…I’d choose Hynes. This could be his last and best shot for success, and I’d imagine he’ll be much more engaged (with a lot on the line).

Both guys are mediocre choices compared to just keeping Gallant and surrounding him with different assistants.

Per Elliotte Friedman on the Jeff Marek Show, it appears Hynes is the leading candidate to get the job.

 

[Hitch16]

Best thing about hynes is the expectations will be very low. Very. Low.

CLUELESS JOHN
By Sir Barry Looks

One can dream?

 

[gravey9]

CLUELESS JOHN
By Sir Barry Looks

One can dream?

It’s really going to be the end of the Drury regime if Hynes goes down in flames. Like it’s a big gamble based on his poor track record.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

The best line from Brooks article on Hynes was he wants his players to “move with intent”. The Rangers play their best when they are moving their feet and far too often this year they were gliding around waiting for someone else to make a play. The veterans especially

The last two coaches wanted the team to play more north south, it never happened. I'll believe it when i see it.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Hynes now the favorite for the job. Oh boy. Boards are going to be a real hoot if this happens.

 

[gravey9]

The last two coaches wanted the team to play more north south, it never happened. I'll believe it when i see it.

It’ll only work if the coach takes away TOI

 

[McRanger92]

It’ll only work if the coach takes away TOI

Hynes did it to Duchene and Johansen in Nashville at least

 

[Gordon Bombay]

"Several sources who have history with Hynes have told The Post that the 48-year-old coach is as prepared, structured, detail-oriented and tactically adept as anyone they have encountered in the NHL. In their exit interviews with Drury, those are the very qualities that many of the veterans said the team lacked under Gallant."

Per LB about Hynes.

Those are my biggest hopes for the next coach. Don't know much about him other than what everyone on this board says, but if he really does bring that to the table than this group of Rangers can have decent success under him. Gotta imagine it will be Hynes' best roster to work with to date so who knows. Maybe it can work?

You take Hynes out of the bold and everyone is raving about this.

Maybe a better roster is what ET needs. Or maybe LB is selling Loverboy's new coach onto us

 

[Leonardo87]

I just listened to the broadcast, it’s about 10 min and 30 secs into the Marek Show, Friedman basically said he believes Hynes was interviewed this week, he is not sure if it was the 1st or 2nd interview. He never said Hynes was the front runner just that he speculates he has a good shot.

Here is the link if you guys want to Listen…

The Jeff Marek Show

Sportsnet insider Jeff Marek goes around the league in Sportsnet 590 The FAN’s national NHL show, airing live across the country daily from 12pm-2pm ET. Opinion, news and analysis featuring daily segments from insider Elliotte Friedman.

www.sportsnet.ca

10min, 30 sec mark.

 

[AirGut]

listen I can warm up to the Hynes era way of thinking and it might actually be a good gamble in the end for this organization, but it's gonna be a year of eye-strain having to see his bald head reflecting the bright lights of MSG and every arena we visit

here's to hoping our opponents also suffer the same eye-strain issues against us when they peer at the Rangers bench for even a second

 

[HANK30]

so we’ve gone from Quenneville is going to be named the rangers coach to Laviolette to Roy and then back to Quennvellie and now Hynes? Did i get it right?

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

I love how Uncle Larry talks about how detail-oriented John Hynes is. He or anyone can extol his virtues to the sky. Doesn't change the fact that he's had a lackluster NHL head coaching career. 8 seasons, no playoff wins. He wouldn't be the first well-prepared coach to falter in the pros and he won't be the last. But you want to talk about searching for a silver lining in a sky full of haze...how apropos.