Post-Game Talk: Rangers @ Canucks -- 11/3/21

[Tob]

Miller out Jones in lundkvist in

 

[romba]

Outshot by a significant margin again with little 5 on 5 chemistry. We need the top 3 lines to get some chemistry so our youth can start to build confidence.

Would like to see Chytil try to slip it 5 hole on his partial break in the 1st. He needed to build up speed to make sure the D didn't catch him and he ended up a bit in tight and the goalie knows a deke is most likely coming at that point, that's the best time to go off speed and do a fake shot and deke it 5 hole. The mainstream dekes don't work on NHL goalies 90% of the time in that instance.

On the OT goal Shesty made the nice save, I think the puck bounced up and ended up near his feet way outside the net so he hesitated before getting back to the net, then he thought Miller was gonna just flip it back at him right away and dropped to his knees. He got beat on a goal like that earlier this year so it was probably in his head. Because he dropped to his knees he had no shot to get to the other side. Goodrow, being the only Ranger in the same zip code, felt forced to attack Miller on the short side of the net and he too couldn't adjust and get to the far post in time.

 

[bleedblue94]

serious concerns over kakko and lafreniere. And really concerned about Chytil who is regressing here.

Be careful, you cant objectively criticize these three on this board...

 

[Ola]

Ridiculous that kakko is still with panarin and Strome. Strome can say all the right things about adjusting to kakko but panarin doesn't give a f*** about it and they make a terrible line. Panarin wouldn't bend to playing with kakko last year either. Put the kids line together and give them freedom. Other teams empower their young players but this team and the stars that force their way to NY won't step aside and support their teammates.

Its just a bad fit to start with from my POV, and I wouldn't read anything into panarin not liking Kakko. These guys are super strategic on the ice and Kakko and Panarin don't mesh at all. In a perfect world Kakko plays with a speedy center that can draw attention before getting him the puck and a LW that goes to the net and engages the D, so that Kakko gets more ice. He gets nothing of that from Panarin and especially Strome.

Ziba isn't a great fit for Kakko either, but I do think that Kreider-Ziba-Kakko makes a lot more sense than Panarin-Strome-Kakko.

I've said it for years, its a big problem for this team that it does not have any speedy centers, its those guys that have the most success in this league right now. Some might think, oh can't this or that player make due with what we have? But like look at Tampa, Point, Gourde, Cirelli and Johnson at center won them two straight cups. Guys like Ziba and Chytil got great speed -- when they reach top speed. Someone like Gourde's ability at 5'9 to turn 180' degrees and set of in full speed is on a different planet than someone 6'3 like Chytil.

Ultimately I think these things will sort them selves out, but I do think that its important that we are focused when moves are made and get what we lack, not something else.

 

[bleedblue94]

kakko needs to get off the strome/panarin line. He is out there just on his own while the other two literally just play give and go and cross ice pass with each other. Goodrow and kakko need to be swapped so we are rolling this for the next game:

20 93 24
10 16 21
13 72 91

 

[Tob]

kakko needs to get off the strome/panarin line. He is out there just on his own while the other two literally just play give and go and cross ice pass with each other. Goodrow and kakko need to be swapped so we are rolling this for the next game:

20 93 24
10 16 21
13 72 91

It'd ridiculous because 10-16 have made it very clear they don't work well with Kakko and they're not really going to do much about it. Gallant is clueless.

 

[bleedblue94]

It'd ridiculous because 10-16 have made it very clear they don't work well with Kakko and they're not really going to do much about it. Gallant is clueless.

it was very frustrating watching kakko wide open on a couple of plays in good position to support or be an option and strome just completely ignores him to force the puck to panarain, and panarin doing the same with strome. it is like watching beer league when two friends only want to pass to each other and ignore everyone else. it makes me hate strome even more, but i definitely feel this is a panarin lead/breed issue. he only wants to play with certain guys which is ridiculous and selfish.

 

[TGWL]

i was very frustrating watching kakko wide open on a couple of plays in good position to support or be an option and strome just completely ignores him to force the puck to panarain, and panarin doing the same with strome. it is like watching beer league when two friends only want to pass to each other and ignore everyone else. it makes me hate strome even more, but i definitely feel this is a panarin lead/breed issue. he only wants to play with certain guys which is ridiculous and selfish.

On the other side of that, you had players wide open behind the net and Kakko wants to be Mr. spin back and forth with the puck instead of pushing the puck to the open player. They don't gel with Kakko and Kakko doesn't seem to gel with most of the team, or they're all just lost some brain cells this season with the coaching change.

 

[Brother Mouzone]

There is still a lot of time to fix the mistakes. The biggest take away is that we are getting points while going through the growing pains. A lot of fans care more about them being right or their player playing or whatever. But the fact of the matter is no one single player can change this team right now. It has to be internal. And that’s what GG is doing. Obviously these things take time. I’d say everyone relax but this world seems to love negativity more and more each day. So just do you I guess lol.

No it’s not a light bulb. It’s one game here (CBJ game) and one period there (Ott third period) it’s a slow progress but it’s still a progress. None of this is going to happen over night nor is it going to happen in just one season. This is the hardest part of the rebuild. Establishing a winning culture. And on the path to that your going to piss in a lot of people Cheerios and are going to have bumps in the road. It’s ok though because it will be worth it. But again it’s absolutely critical to remember that this is a long painful process.


You have to see who is the player willing to pay the price of victory and who is just the professional athlete. There is a big difference

Rational take , this board and most of the Rangers fans in it love toxic negativity ...We are 6-2-2 and not anywhere close to playing our best yet ..

 

[TGWL]

Forecheck is way too slow. It doesn't pressure or intimidate anybody. It's almost as bad as watching them move up the rink from their own zone. Just too slow.

 

[bleedblue94]

On the other side of that, you had players wide open behind the net and Kakko wants to be Mr. spin back and forth with the puck instead of pushing the puck to the open player. They don't gel with Kakko and Kakko doesn't seem to gel with most of the team, or they're all just lost some brain cells this season with the coaching change.

the whole team seems out of sorts offensively this year, but this has been an ongoing issue with panarin and strome for years

 

[will1066]

When Kakko has the puck on the right side in the offensive, where is Panarin -yeah standing in his "office" in the offensive zone, high up on the left side on the other side of two or three opponents. Kakko needs to play on a line that cycles and engages physically. Strome and Panarin ain't it. It's a TEAM game, not a one man show where the big cheese does whatever.

Love this

 

[rangers1314]

Forecheck is way too slow. It doesn't pressure or intimidate anybody. It's almost as bad as watching them move up the rink from their own zone. Just too slow.

Outside of the 4th line, its non-existent

 

[Tob]

 

[TJHKY]

 

[bbny]

Miller out Jones in lundkvist in

How it should have been out of camp. The Miller obsession has to stop. He has loads of talent, but he needs to learn how to play the position. Best served in the AHL. Caught out of position way, way too often.

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Kakko's injury really set him back. He looks completely timid compared to how he played in camp and the first couple of games. Hopefully hell get it back soon because they need him.

Lafreniere's pace has been better but he still doesnt have the puck on his stick very much throughout games. It just isnt there right now.

Do they need to shake the lines up? Things seem a bit stale.

Agree that the top 6 need to buy into a more north south game if they want to take it to the next level and into the playoffs. I posted about about it early in the GDT. They just arent those players though. Im not sure you can make them play a style that just doesnt suit their skill sets. To me thats the most disturbing thing.

Will all of that said and all of the negativity here they are getting points and are in the midsts of a very good start. But a lot of that is because of Igors insane play. Maybe hell be like this all season but you cant rely on it. They need more output from a lot of players

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Lol Miller has been great this year, gets beat on one goal and falls in OT after Panarin takes a 5 hour shift and also gets caught deep and the anti Miller crowd has its GOTCHA moment.

Ya'll need to find someone else to hate on or at least wait until he actually deserves it.

 

[Tob]

Lol Miller has been great this year, gets beat on one goal and falls in OT after Panarin takes a 5 hour shift and also gets caught deep and the anti Miller crowd has its GOTCHA moment.

Ya'll need to find someone else to hate on or at least wait until he actually deserves it.

This is all I have

 

[Machinehead]

I don't care about the Miller play. You either leave yourself open for breakaways and 2-on-1's against or you never score. Those are your choices 3v3.

The whole team just isn't built for it. They're slow as shit.

 

[Clark Kellogg]

K’Andre Miller doesn’t deserve another game in the nhl ..

send him down - he makes Tom poti look like Garth butcher .

He had a bad game but in the three games before this he had two good games. He is trying and the coaches are working with him so he it all comes down now to his dedication. He has the tools.
If he does go down to work with Steve Smith then Hajek is his replacement? Don’t know how that will work out.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Also Panarin is a selfish asshole.

Nice pass on the first PPG, lucky goal but that 5 on 3 sequence was the most disgusting thing I've seen from him here. Almost every shot he took during that time was f***ing stupid, and he had Fox for an easy layup before the Demko breakdance sequence started. Don't get me started on his marathon 3v3 shift. You have nothing left in the tank, get your ass off the ice.

He was also probably our worst player 5v5.

 

[Kravtsov420]

Lmao, this is exactly it

 

[Machinehead]

Admittedly, this is where my thoughts have been trending. It’s worrisome. Fox is a different breed. He bet on himself. Stayed in school, knew he wanted to be here, has been a stud since day 1. We didn’t really develop him. He showed up, said “Hi, I’m you’re new favorite player” and we’ve essentially been worshipping him with more and more fervor every day since. Lindgren we also didn’t really develop, but he’s also just a different breed - that Dan Girardi, I eat pucks for breakfast and I like to bleed type of crazy. We didn’t draft either one of them.

Of the players we did draft… Lias, Chytil, Kravtsov, Miller, Lundkvist, Kakko, Lafreniere… KAM is the most successful, I guess? And it’s partially been gifted to him. His tremendous athletic gifts allow him to do some really great things but we haven’t necessarily seen much development or progress from him. I admit he’s been pretty decent this year, but he still has his really bad moments. Lundkvist is far from being a big concern or anything, but for the amount of “best D prospect outside of NA” hype he got, he’s been underwhelming. #7OA total bust. #9OA head case half way out the door. #2OA zero points so far in year 3. #1OA is statistically the weakest first overall pick since 1999. Chytil has played parts of 5 seasons now, just under 200 games, and if anything he’s regressing. Certainly stagnant. There is, at least, a valid reason to be concerned with our drafting/development, especially at forward.

Obviously we’re blessed with goaltending assessment.

To be fair, I think your first few years in the NHL is part of your development as well. We've never had a lack of NHL defensemen coming through our ranks. That one guy that half the board really, really likes 100% broke out with the Rangers. So did Lindgren. We saved Stralman's career. Say what you will about Girardi but he wasn't supposed to be anything at all.

At forward, it's just this giant void. We told ourselves it's because we never picked high, which seemed valid at the time. Once we started picking high, we started having out of the box NHL forwards hit a wall. Something isn't right. It's who we are. We haven't developed a star up front since the f***ing GAG line. It's obviously different people in charge but sport teams develop cultures that transcend the people. We need to identify what the problem quick and actively fix it.

I don't buy that it's "boogah boogah New York" because then explain Henrik Lundqvist who was born in a village and became a Hall of Famer here.

 

[will1066]

Kakko's injury really set him back. He looks completely timid compared to how he played in camp and the first couple of games. Hopefully hell get it back soon because they need him.

Lafreniere's pace has been better but he still doesnt have the puck on his stick very much throughout games. It just isnt there right now.

Do they need to shake the lines up? Things seem a bit stale.

Agree that the top 6 need to buy into a more north south game if they want to take it to the next level and into the playoffs. I posted about about it early in the GDT. They just arent those players though. Im not sure you can make them play a style that just doesnt suit their skill sets. To me thats the most disturbing thing.

Will all of that said and all of the negativity here they are getting points and are in the midsts of a very good start. But a lot of that is because of Igors insane play. Maybe hell be like this all season but you cant rely on it. They need more output from a lot of players

Disagree. He looked great in his first game back from injury. Kakko plays hockey. Panarin and Strome play shimmy. That's the real problem. I can't even say it's Strome. It's really Panarin. Strome will do Strome, but Panarin can play so much better.