Confirmed with Link: Rangers Acquire Rights to RW Barclay Goodrow; Signs Contract (6 Years, $3.642M AAV)

[Machinehead]

Based on what? He’s never had more than 24 points in a season.

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[FireGerardGallant]

Can't wait to deal with a cap crunch for Laf or Kakko's payday because we had to overpay for an energy guy with RINGZ. Fantastic.

The rumored deal is not good but if any contract makes it difficult to do resign them its gonna be Trouba and Kreider not Goodrow

 

[Gardner McKay]

If they trade Buchnevich it's because they don't want to pay him when they have other younger wings who they anticipate taking over. I don't know why you're insisting that this is a "choosing Goodrow over Buchnevich" situation. Drury already identified Goodrow as a candidate to play center. He's not here to displace Buchnevich. They could and may keep both. And they may have traded Buchnevich even if they hadn't acquired Goodrow.

I agree with you. I think many posters are having a hard time coming to terms with the possibility that Buch may not be here next year and thus, rather than it being because we have a glut of talent on the wings, are trying to find someone/something to vent their frustration at.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

"I want gritty players but also they have to score and also their AAV has to be <$3m"

-every Rangers fan

Teams win with those guys when those players are making a small amount of money, not 3.6x6.

 

[LokiDog]

Before we go freaking out about this contract...

First, I won't be surprised if the final deal comes in a bit under the reported numbers. I don't think anyone really expected Goodrow to sign for less than 3M. If we shave it down even a bit, maybe 3.45M it's less of an eyesore. But either way...

In the playoffs, Goodrow's usage went up to 18:15 per game in the first Cup run and 17:07 in the second. He can be relied upon. He won't put up tons of points, but he can play the minutes and be a catalyst for turnovers as well as keep the puck in the other end, forecheck, keep the opposition on their heels. I think he's going to be playing with Panarin.

Blackwell was 27 years old and had only played 33 NHL games in his life before coming to NY. He got plugged in next to Panarin eventually, and finished the season pacing for 20 goals and 40 points, and that wasn't playing the whole year with Panarin. Numbers could have actually been higher, and he isn't actually that good.

I have a feeling we're going to see Goodrow on the Panarin line and not in the bottom six. He'll still take the important defensive draws, protect leads and PK, but I have a feeling he's going to go in Blackwell's spot on the Panarin line. He's ideal. Puck hound, defensively responsible, non-stop motor. It's exactly what Panarin likes to have on his line. Even if Goodrow's production in that spot isn't any better than Fast/Blackwell, that line is still dangerous and Panarin is still a 90+ point player. That buys time for Kravtsov on the third line to ease in and distributes our depth a bit better. If Goodrow is filling a top six spot for us at 3.6M, that's not bad.

Panarin - Strome - Goodrow
Laf - Zib - KK
Kreider - Chytil - Krav
Barron - Rooney - Blackwell

We still want to upgrade on Strome if possible, and if we can add another gritty 4th liner who can defend to take Blackwell's spot and use Blackwell as the extra, that's not too bad. Moreover, we wanted to change the look and identity of the team. If we add another gritty 4th liner and somehow change Strome to someone a bit more defensively reliable, this does that.

I expect Goodrow to play the exact same role that Fast/Blackwell played on Panarin's line and that he'll be around 15g 40pt spark plug. Playing with Panarin, he could be more. So far he paces for 30 points a year, purely at 5v5 and with 15 minutes a night on a shutdown line. Playing with Panarin, 16+ EV minutes a night is a different ball game. Panarin is one of the best 5v5 producers in the world and loves having a Fast/Goodrow type on his line. If he's even a 40 point guy who takes the important draws and PKs, 3.6M won't be the end of the world. If he plays 12 minutes a night on the 4th line, it's a dumb signing.

 

[Polar Bear]

Love the player, obviously dislike the contract.

 

[Machinehead]

Teams win with those guys when those players are making a small amount of money, not 3.6x6.

Tampa just won two Cups with a replacement level player making $8.5m.

 

[nyr2k2]

I agree with you. I think many posters are having a hard time coming to terms with the possibility that Buch may not be here next year and thus, rather than it being because we have a glut of talent on the wings, are trying to find someone/something to vent their frustration at.

I don't want to lose Buch, either. People need to realize, though, that a) that hasn't happened; b) it was a possibility months ago; and c) it would be a possibility without signing Goodrow. And even if we move him it's likely for a half-dozen reasons unrelated to Goodrow.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

 

[broadwayblue]

Before we go freaking out about this contract...

Goodrow has paced for 30 points the last two seasons, playing in a shutdown role and averaging 15 minutes as a third liner.

In the playoffs, his usage went up to 18:15 per game in the first Cup run and 17:07 in the second. He can be relied upon. He won't put up tons of points, but he can play the minutes and be a catalyst for turnovers as well as keep the puck in the other end, forecheck, keep the opposition on their heels. I think he's going to be playing with Panarin.

Blackwell was 27 years old and had only played 33 NHL games in his life before coming to NY. He got plugged in next to Panarin eventually, and finished the season pacing for 20 goals and 40 points, and that wasn't playing the whole year with Panarin. Numbers could have actually been higher, and he isn't actually that good.

I have a feeling we're going to see Goodrow on the Panarin line and not in the bottom six. He'll still take the important defensive draws, protect leads and PK, but I have a feeling he's going to go in Blackwell's spot on the Panarin line. He's ideal. Puck hound, defensively responsible, non-stop motor. It's exactly what Panarin likes to have on his line. Even if Goodrow's production in that spot isn't any better than Fast/Blackwell, that line is still dangerous and Panarin is still a 90+ point player. That buys time for Kravtsov on the third line to ease in and distributes our depth a bit better. If Goodrow is filling a top six spot for us at 3.6M, that's not bad.

Panarin - Strome - Goodrow
Laf - Zib - KK
Kreider - Chytil - Krav
Barron - Rooney - Blackwell

We still want to upgrade on Strome if possible, and if we can add another gritty 4th liner who can defend to take Blackwell's spot and use Blackwell as the extra, that's not too bad.

Interesting take. What did we get for Buch?

 

[BleedinBLUEsince92]

Not every contract is going to be a "steal." At the rumored amount and terms, it's certainly an overpay, but if this is the guy they've identified, so be it. This team needs depth in the bottom six that also offer that grittiness. Now, if you can find some bargain deals to complement guys like Goodrow, I don't think it's that big of an issue IMO. Overpay may not even be the right term because this is what his market rate is demanding. GM's may be overvaluing his services, but he will get a deal in this range, whether it's the Rangers or some other team.

 

[SML2]

How good a skater is Goodrow. I never really paid attention to it. In the upside, he's 28 and he's only played 330 or so NHL games. He's not worn completely out. I don't like paying role players for work they did before we got them. I really hope this deal doesn't make this guy get fat and happy and stop doing the things he's known for.

 

[bl02]

Based on what? He’s never had more than 24 points in a season.

Based on watching every single islander and TB game these playoffs. He's a much much better player than uncle Leo who can't even handle the puck and 6 years younger.

 

[GAGLine]

I'm happy with those terms.

 

[Raspewtin]

Not every contract is going to be a "steal." At the rumored amount and terms, it's certainly an overpay, but if this is the guy they've identified, so be it. This team needs depth in the bottom six that also offer that grittiness. Now, if you can find some bargain deals to complement guys like Goodrow, I don't think it's that big of an issue IMO. Overpay may not even be the right term because this is what his market rate is demanding. GM's may be overvaluing his services, but he will get a deal in this range, whether it's the Rangers or some other team.

okay but these overpays are adding up now.

Trouba is overpaid and lost his top pair spot not even a year into his deal.

Kreider was overpaid the minute the ink dried and he's been dog shit since then

Goodrow is a straight up overpayment but, details pending, isn't the crime these other two are

When does it stop though?

 

[Machinehead]

We paid Dan Girardi more money to do warrior stuff when he was a less effective player playing a more important position.

Every team in the NHL is gonna do grit and 'sperience. I'd rather them do a good player.

 

[broadwayblue]

Not every contract is going to be a "steal." At the rumored amount and terms, it's certainly an overpay, but if this is the guy they've identified, so be it. This team needs depth in the bottom six that also offer that grittiness. Now, if you can find some bargain deals to complement guys like Goodrow, I don't think it's that big of an issue IMO. Overpay may not even be the right term because this is what his market rate is demanding. GM's may be overvaluing his services, but he will get a deal in this range, whether it's the Rangers or some other team.

Exactly. There are rarely ever "deals" with UFA players. The team identified the player they want and they are going after him. Hopefully he delivers most of what they are expecting to get with him. If they do, the extra cost of obtaining him was worth it. Time will tell.

 

[mas0764]

It is clear that Drury learned more at the Glen Sather school of General Managing than the Jeff Gorton one. Buckle up folks, its going to be a bumpy ride.

Ugh, this is a depressing thought.

 

[bl02]

I agree, yeah. I may have misinterpreted your last post.

As long as we haven't given him a highly restrictive NTC or a NMC, I don't think this is a "disaster" of a signing. It's bad, but it's not crippling; and Goodrow does bring some of the elements that we were desperately missing this season. He could turn out to be a perfect fit for us.

I just also think Buch brings those elements, and was our only top9 guy that had them consistently this year.

I'm thinking Buch's camp is asking for a ton of money. Just playing devil's advocate but maybe Drury feels Kakko/Kravtsov can be the next Buch maybe more while making a fraction of fraction less...also maybe he feels Buch's value will never be higher to get something in return? IDK just thinking.

 

[Harbour Dog]

"I want gritty players but also they have to score and also their AAV has to be <$3m"

-every Rangers fan

I mean, I'd settle for two of those three things...

edit - which maybe we kind of got here.

Gritty - 1
Scoring - 0.5
low AAV - 0.5

So, not far off, I guess.

 

[mas0764]

I, on the other hand, am fine with this.

And yes, I expect Buchnevich to be gone and…wait for it…the Rangers to use his money to go after Blake Coleman.

If we parlay all Buch's value into a "future," top 6 center (a la Lundell) who has yet to play in the NHL and make up for it by spending his dollars on "win now," vets like Coleman and Goodrow, I sign up for that.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Tampa just won two Cups with a replacement level player making $8.5m.

Which they could afford to happen because newest Rangers Barclay Goodrow was making 925K. Don't give a shit about Stamkos, talking about Goodrow here and what he provides and what he's supposed to do. It ain't worth 3.6 million and it shouldn't be worth 3 million. Guys like these come along.

 

[LokiDog]

Interesting take. What did we get for Buch?

It depends if we move Strome or decide to shakeup any other of the forward spots. Maybe we get a gritty LHD with some upside to help shelter the kids and make the D stronger. Maybe we stand pat and flip Buch for a reliable vet LHD and a cheap, but serviceable 4th liner. Let's say... something like Buch for Gavrikov (Panarin's homie, solid #4 LHD, 2.8M cap hit) and a pick? Or we try to flip Buch for a center prospect who can step in to the lower lineup this year or next year but has top-six upside.

Panarin - Strome - Goodrow
Laf - Zib - KK
Kreider - Chytil - Krav
Barron - Rooney - Blackwell
Lindgren - Fox
Miller - Trouba
Gavrikov - Lundkvist

Find a cheap 4th line RW to bump Blackwel to the injury fill-in slot.

 

[East Coast Bias]

"I want gritty players but also they have to score and also their AAV has to be <$3m"

-every Rangers fan

Well to be fair, this dude doesn't score. Kevin Rooney going to look like a sniper next to him

 

[Machinehead]

Besides, we'll just cheat LMAO

The Blackhawks have had three different players come down with three different allergies/illnesses that rendered players incapable of playing.

The league doesn't care.