Confirmed with Link: Rangers Acquire Jacob Trouba for Neal Pionk and 20th Overall Pick - Part II

[Doctyl]

This trade is more of a now move. It makes me think that Kakko is the end of the rebuild. I understand this is a deal you cant turn down, but going forward there seems like there will be too much talent to bottom out again.

tbh I'm okay with this. At wing we have probably the best group of prospects in the NHL. Center we have Zib and now Chytil needs to take that next step. He has been fine for a young kid so far. Georgiev looks like he is ready to take on a 1A/1B role with Hank and Shesty is one of the best goalie prospects out there, so that position looks like a lock.

The big question mark was always the defense. Since Hank's decline started, everyone saw them for what they were. Acquiring Hajek, Lindgren, and Rykov were good first steps. We also drafted Miller and Lundkvist. Then Gorton goes all out this offseason with Fox and Trouba to top it off. Winning Kakko definitely had a big part of that, it seems like Gorton doesnt want to waste his window like Slats did with the elite Hank years.

Wouldnt be surprised at all to see us push for Panarin. Within 3 years Hank, Staal, Smith, Shattenkirk will be gone and that will pay for a lot of our kids coming off their ELCs. We will be competitive again real soon.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

No it's not. Rentals do not command a king's ransom anymore. Those days are long gone. He will get the standard 1st+some throw in, assuming he maintains a high level of play.

But yet Hayes a 2nd liner, got a 1st and a good prospect, so a top pair defesneman is getting the same? No.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Also, this directly contradicts what your friend is saying. This isn't a scenario where he is just trying to say the right things. You don't say something like that unless you mean it.

Eh not necessarily. People say all sorts of things.

But I agree that the HES ONLY GOING TO SIGN IN DETROIT LOLZ angle is false (Not poking fun at PW here, but his buddy and all the other Wings fans who think this is a foregone conclusion.)

While its true that the GM can't directly contact Trouba or his rep with out having control of his rights, there are backchannels that exist and are commonly used. We have a close friend of his who played with him for 2 years before being drafted, not hard to believe that the Rangers reached out to Brady to find out if Jacob was willing to sign here.

 

[Gardner McKay]

A top pair defenseman at the deadline to help a team in the playoffs is getting a kings ransom. Whether or not he is going to stay with that team after the playoffs. A 2nd line center at the deadline brought back more than we paid for Trouba.

McDonagh didn't exactly get kings ransom. That isn't a given anymore. We *should* be able to recoup what we paid, give or take a tiny amount.

Unless he gets injured, he should be able to bring back a first. Pionk was addition by subtraction in my opinion. His value was probably nothing more than a 2nd or 3rd rounder at best.

I think in a worst case scenario, we could probably recoup what we gave up for him. Yet, there's also a strong possibility if he continues to perform at the level he has, that we could probably get a prospect better than Pionk + a first.

Anyways, hopefully this discussion is all for moot, because I really hope he re-signs with us long-term.

Getting back what we paid? Sure. I would expect that more or less. Again, my point is merely about people setting themselves up for disappointment with unrealistic expectations.

I do expect this discussion to be moot as I would be shocked if we didn't have Trouba signed to an extension in the next few weeks.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Also, this directly contradicts what your friend is saying. This isn't a scenario where he is just trying to say the right things. You don't say something like that unless you mean it.

And the Rangers are known for not sharing any information unless there's something conclusive. This tweet, to me, means that much more because of that

 

[NYR Viper]

Perhaps WPG offered for TheRangers to speak contract with Trouba if more was involved in the deal but Gorton said, no thanks, we like our chances without speaking with him ahead of the deal?

 

[UnSandvich]

Rumor: - Rangers, Islanders and Devils aggressively seeking Trouba

Not sure if it happened already but, @UnSandvich was pretty close to getting the deal here. Never would I have thought that would be enough. Circumstances may have been the reason, but this is pretty close. We got to keep Howden and Lindgren too. Kudos!

I honestly didn't want to trade for Trouba. Those were players i didn't want on the team lol. But hey, I'll take underpaying rather than overpaying for someone every time.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

And the Rangers are known for not sharing any information unless there's something conclusive. This tweet, to me, means that much more because of that

They don't make this trade unless they know they're getting him signed.

That alone was enough for me.

 

[Chalfdiggity3]

This trade is more of a now move. It makes me think that Kakko is the end of the rebuild. I understand this is a deal you cant turn down, but going forward there seems like there will be too much talent to bottom out again.

tbh I'm okay with this. At wing we have probably the best group of prospects in the NHL. Center we have Zib and now Chytil needs to take that next step. He has been fine for a young kid so far. Georgiev looks like he is ready to take on a 1A/1B role with Hank and Shesty is one of the best goalie prospects out there, so that position looks like a lock.

The big question mark was always the defense. Since Hank's decline started, everyone saw them for what they were. Acquiring Hajek, Lindgren, and Rykov were good first steps. We also drafted Miller and Lundkvist. Then Gorton goes all out this offseason with Fox and Trouba to top it off. Winning Kakko definitely had a big part of that, it seems like Gorton doesnt want to waste his window like Slats did with the elite Hank years.

Wouldnt be surprised at all to see us push for Panarin. Within 3 years Hank, Staal, Smith, Shattenkirk will be gone and that will pay for a lot of our kids coming off their ELCs. We will be competitive again real soon.

This is not the end of the rebuild although it does push it along much further. Trouba is 25 and fits in line with our other p.ayers. the rebuild will be over in another year when shatty is traded, and Staal and Smith's contracts run out. We still need elite talent and to see what our young players have before saying rebuild over let's go back to our old ways. Another year of stockpiling assets with what we have, then we can make big trades like st loius did for ROR, if we do that not we destroy our cupboard.

 

[Gardner McKay]

But yet Hayes a 2nd liner, got a 1st and a good prospect, so a top pair defesneman is getting the same? No.

Lemieux is not a 2nd liner. He has a whopping career 18 points in 72 games. At this point he is a 4th liner.

They don't make this trade unless they know they're getting him signed.

That alone was enough for me.

I absolutely agree.

 

[Doctyl]

And the Rangers are known for not sharing any information unless there's something conclusive. This tweet, to me, means that much more because of that

I mean he said it this morning. On the call it sounded like a political response. He was cautious saying that he hasnt thought about the contract at all then said that quote.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

But yet Hayes a 2nd liner, got a 1st and a good prospect, so a top pair defesneman is getting the same? No.

What players in recent years, who were true rentals, brought back a king's ransom? Stone, EK, McD don't count, considering they all were longer than a 2 month rental. And the latter two's returns were somewhat underwhelming.

I'm sorry, but there is no way he is getting a king's ransom. That just doesn't exist anymore. In this cap era world where cost controlled, young assets are critical to a team's success, no one is giving up a huge haul for 2 months of a player.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

What I like most about JG's moves so far this summer is that he didn't fall into the same trap that the Leafs did by neglecting defense.

This trade is more of a now move. It makes me think that Kakko is the end of the rebuild. I understand this is a deal you cant turn down, but going forward there seems like there will be too much talent to bottom out again.

tbh I'm okay with this. At wing we have probably the best group of prospects in the NHL. Center we have Zib and now Chytil needs to take that next step. He has been fine for a young kid so far. Georgiev looks like he is ready to take on a 1A/1B role with Hank and Shesty is one of the best goalie prospects out there, so that position looks like a lock.

The big question mark was always the defense. Since Hank's decline started, everyone saw them for what they were. Acquiring Hajek, Lindgren, and Rykov were good first steps. We also drafted Miller and Lundkvist. Then Gorton goes all out this offseason with Fox and Trouba to top it off. Winning Kakko definitely had a big part of that, it seems like Gorton doesnt want to waste his window like Slats did with the elite Hank years.

Wouldnt be surprised at all to see us push for Panarin. Within 3 years Hank, Staal, Smith, Shattenkirk will be gone and that will pay for a lot of our kids coming off their ELCs. We will be competitive again real soon.

Nah.

Gorton said that this move made sense for the team because he fits the timeline. Yes they're probably not going to bottom out next year, but they're far from being a legitimate playoff team, thats going to take some time/development. Just because you don't bottom out doesn't mean that you're rebuilding. If anything, this move and the Fox trade pretty much signal the end of Phase 1 of this rebuild.

Onto phase 2.

 

[Doctyl]

This is not the end of the rebuild although it does push it along much further. Trouba is 25 and fits in line with our other p.ayers. the rebuild will be over in another year when shatty is traded, and Staal and Smith's contracts run out. We still need elite talent and to see what our young players have before saying rebuild over let's go back to our old ways. Another year of stockpiling assets with what we have, then we can make big trades like st loius did for ROR, if we do that not we destroy our cupboard.

I suppose I meant more that it is the beginning of the end. I'm not expecting Kakko to drop 80 points and us to win the cup next year.

But I think this is the beginning of the end. Trouba is 25, which is a bit further along than most of our upcoming core. In order for him to be useful, we have to start transitioning to more of a contending team.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

I mean he said it this morning. On the call it sounded like a political response. He was cautious saying that he hasnt thought about the contract at all then said that quote.

It doesn't sound so political to me. Moreover, he is obviously open to discussing it if he's saying in the coming days and at the draft. The Rangers are almost definitely going to sign him. He obviously wanted to be here and that is very possibly one of the reasons we got him so cheap.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

I suppose I meant more that it is the beginning of the end. I'm not expecting Kakko to drop 80 points and us to win the cup next year.

But I think this is the beginning of the end. Trouba is 25, which is a bit further along than most of our upcoming core. In order for him to be useful, we have to start transitioning to more of a contending team.

What? Peak play for D-Men is between 26/27-31/32. So Trouba basically has 5-7 of his best years in front of him. I don't see any way in which this rushes the rebuild.

 

[KOVALEV022473]

I was at that game! I’ll never forget it, Fifteen rounds.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Lemieux is not a 2nd liner. He has a whopping career 18 points in 72 games. At this point he is a 4th liner.


I absolutely agree.

He didn't say Lemieux is a 2nd liner, right?

 

[Thirty One]

He didn't say Lemieux is a 2nd liner, right?

That's what I read at first too, but no, that was in reference to Hayes.

 

[Ghost of jas]

What I like most about JG's moves so far this summer is that he didn't fall into the same trap that the Leafs did by neglecting defense.



Nah.

Gorton said that this move made sense for the team because he fits the timeline. Yes they're probably not going to bottom out next year, but they're far from being a legitimate playoff team, thats going to take some time/development. Just because you don't bottom out doesn't mean that you're rebuilding. If anything, this move and the Fox trade pretty much signal the end of Phase 1 of this rebuild.

Onto phase 2.

The 1st round next year ends this phase.

 

[Paulie Walnutz]

Also, this directly contradicts what your friend is saying. This isn't a scenario where he is just trying to say the right things. You don't say something like that unless you mean it.

That’s what I said to him, and I showed him that quote and he said something stupid like “that was a leave me alone quote.”

 

[kovazub94]

Back in the winter or early spring on the topic of signing Panarin I mentioned that I have a few pre-requirements before pursuing the Russian. Winning the lottery and getting Trouba were two of three. The third one was moving Kreider and since the Rangers just lost their "other" 1rd pick, I think moving Kreider became even more of a reality. In accounting / legal jargon we moved from more likely than not to should opinion. And if Kreider is gone then I'm 100% in the bring Panarin camp.

 

[broadwayblue]

This trade is more of a now move. It makes me think that Kakko is the end of the rebuild. I understand this is a deal you cant turn down, but going forward there seems like there will be too much talent to bottom out again.

tbh I'm okay with this. At wing we have probably the best group of prospects in the NHL. Center we have Zib and now Chytil needs to take that next step. He has been fine for a young kid so far. Georgiev looks like he is ready to take on a 1A/1B role with Hank and Shesty is one of the best goalie prospects out there, so that position looks like a lock.

The big question mark was always the defense. Since Hank's decline started, everyone saw them for what they were. Acquiring Hajek, Lindgren, and Rykov were good first steps. We also drafted Miller and Lundkvist. Then Gorton goes all out this offseason with Fox and Trouba to top it off. Winning Kakko definitely had a big part of that, it seems like Gorton doesnt want to waste his window like Slats did with the elite Hank years.

Wouldnt be surprised at all to see us push for Panarin. Within 3 years Hank, Staal, Smith, Shattenkirk will be gone and that will pay for a lot of our kids coming off their ELCs. We will be competitive again real soon.

You can add players like Trouba while still continuing the rebuild. Let's not forget we could have two more 1st rounders next June.

 

[will1066]

Speaking of Lords and saviors...

Prayer Box | Church of Kakko

I'm a parishioner now

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

That’s what I said to him, and I showed him that quote and he said something stupid like “that was a leave me alone quote.”

So is the extension he eventually signs here going to be a leave me alone contract?