Confirmed with Link: Rangers Acquire Jacob Trouba for Neal Pionk and 20th Overall Pick - Part II

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Meanwhile, Neal Pionk comes to Winnipeg after a season in New York that started well but then fell off the rails.

As Shayna Goldman writes, Pionk started 2018-19 on a pair with Marc Staal and showed some skill but didn’t produce offence well enough to make up for his defensive shortcomings. As the season continued, Pionk’s defensive struggles combined with a drop-off in points and his minutes were progressively reduced. He continued to score on the power play — and remains a legitimate threat there, with an exceptional 7.6 points per 60 minutes of power play time — but couldn’t keep the puck out of his own zone at even a third-pairing level at even strength.

A December injury caused Pionk to miss time in January and led to conversations in New York about lost confidence. As the season went on and Pionk’s offence didn’t return — he scored 15 of his 26 points in October and November — Rangers GM Jeff Gorton began to speak openly about the need to reduce his minutes.

It’s tempting to look at those factors — an injury, a crisis of confidence and Pionk’s relative inexperience in the NHL — and use them to argue that Pionk’s ceiling is more impressive than his performance in New York. Certainly, that’s what Winnipeg’s pro scouts will be betting on by making Pionk such a key part of the Trouba trade return. The available data doesn’t support that optimism."

Thats kind of it in a nutshell.

That article very politely shreds this trade for Winnipeg.
 
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I... :amazed::amazed::amazed:


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Miller is supposed to be great at zone entries. Pair him with trouba in 2 years and dominate!
 

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I can't tell if this is sarcasm, but if it is not, I think this trade is just proof that smart moves aren't narrowly confined to either "be bad and pick high" or "going fo it".
The Rangers sold off aging players for draft picks and are now flipping said picks for players who make sense for their window.

They will probably flip more players that hurt next year's team on paper at the draft for picks in hope that they make them better in the future. On the same hand, they may also sign a free agent like Panarin because he is an elite player who only costs money and not draft futures.

I don't think acquiring Trouba is a sign that the rebuild is over, especially considering John Davidson has been preaching patience as early as three weeks ago. I think it's really just confirmation of what Gorton has said since they sent out the letter, that they are going to stockpile assets in order to acquire players that can help them win in the future.

I think this coming season is important for NYR management, as it will allow them to assess what they have going forward in a more clear sense. Do Howden, Andersson and Chytil improve? Does Buchnevich find consistency with his effort? Does Strome turn back into a pumpkin? Can Skjei find anothe level and hang with Trouba? Are Kakko and Kravtsov able to immediately step into the top 6? All these questions are unknown to the front office, and I'd be willing to bet they want to see how next season plays out before placing their resources in pushing for the playoffs just yet.
I'm hoping the Skjei that we saw in the playoffs a few years ago is still in there somewhere. That guy was a legit first pairing dman.
 

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It should be, but he doesn't spend a ton of time in his own zone, which is really the best way to play D.
You’re not wrong, but if the puck isn’t getting out of the zone right away he seems like he starts to have some real trouble keeping up with the play and he’ll start to give forwards a lot of room and back off to the point where he’ll just being standing in front of the net while watching the play go on around him. Not necessarily the worst strategy because he’ll then be covering the high danger zone, but that’s where I’d really like to see some big improvements from him this year
 

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You’re not wrong, but if the puck isn’t getting out of the zone right away he seems like he starts to have some real trouble keeping up with the play and he’ll start to give forwards a lot of room and back off to the point where he’ll just being standing in front of the net while watching the play go on around him. Not necessarily the worst strategy because he’ll then be covering the high danger zone, but that’s where I’d really like to see some big improvements from him this year

That could be an experience thing (which is to be expected) or even a systems thing though.

But I MUCH prefer that to someone who chases the play around and leaves opponents open.
 
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That could be an experience thing (which is to be expected) or even a systems thing though.

But I MUCH prefer that to someone who chases the play around and leaves opponents open.
Yeah, I’m not suuuper worried about him, (and for the record I do think it’s an experience thing). I do think his timeline might be a little further away than some people think though
 

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We steal Trouba. Flyers overpay Hayes. Soon we land Jack or Kappo. I’m going to say something I never say as a fan of 42 years. It’s great to be a Ranger fan.
 
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This article says the Pens had a better offer on the table but Trouba and his camp told the Pens and a couple other teams that he would only sign an RFA deal with the Rangers, and if traded elsewhere he'd wait until the RFA deadline in December before signing.

Penguins were not alone in making a superior offer for Trouba than the Rangers & More Buzz

I don't know how legitimate that site is. Posted from the Winnipeg board which has a screenshot of the whole article in this thread:

Chevy cleared according to Pens insider

Edit: Nevermind - figured out the answer to my question...
 

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The way Winnipeg fans are feeling about this trade & Chevy is how I've been feeling about the NY Giants offseason & Gettleman. First the Odell trade, then the Jones pick.

Nice to be on the other side for once.
 
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Lopsided trade and I couldn't be happier. The fact that it's a "salary dump" is little consolation to Jets fans I'm sure. Players like Trouba don't grow on trees!
 
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Was just checking out the Canadian team boards like the 'Nucks, Leafs,Habs,Sens,Oiler,Flames and Jets boards past hour or so due to my respect for their knowledge and passion for our game we love as they know their hockey, besides it being overwhelming how badly they all feel we fleeced Chevy and the Jets in the Trouba deal, the thing that struck me most was how pretty much all of them were saying how impressed they are of our rebuild and how alot of them feel Gorton is one of the top GM's in the league.

For the most part most of the posters were stating that the way we are rebuilding is "text book" and that within 2-3 years they can easily see us going on very long playoff runs for the next decade. Now obviously that's not too surprising for us in here but to read other teams fan bases showing all this respect for us and what we've done the past 16 months or so in getting rid of our older players for such young and valuable assets that we now have just gives me the warm and fuzzies...lol

And than when you go to our main rival boards such as the Islander,Devil,Flyer,Penguin,Caps and Jacket boards as I did yesterday after the deal and read how pissed these fan bases are that we got Trouba for basically nothing but 2 months of Hayes and Pionk not to mention all the other moves that Gorton has made including our now going to have Hughes and/or Kakko in a few days and possibly Panarin is pretty damn nice to read.

It really is good times to be part of Rangertown as it finally seems as if the hockey gods are shining on us moreso than I can ever recall in my 45-50 years being a fan of this team of ours....:nod:
 
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Darren Turcotte best #8 ever

Walt Poddubny had a couple of strong seasons right before Turcotte took over #8.

Well played. Correction: something I RARELY say. I still have every newspaper from that game 7 win and 4-5 t-shirts I bought on the streets of NYC that week that I just saved and never wore. Hopefully I get to update my t-shirt collection sooner than later.

As do I. I also have my Stanley Cup Finals program with Messier & Graves signature on the cover. Still need to have Leetch & Richter sign it. One day I'll run into both of them....
 

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I can't tell if this is sarcasm, but if it is not, I think this trade is just proof that smart moves aren't narrowly confined to either "be bad and pick high" or "going fo it".
The Rangers sold off aging players for draft picks and are now flipping said picks for players who make sense for their window.

They will probably flip more players that hurt next year's team on paper at the draft for picks in hope that they make them better in the future. On the same hand, they may also sign a free agent like Panarin because he is an elite player who only costs money and not draft futures.

I don't think acquiring Trouba is a sign that the rebuild is over, especially considering John Davidson has been preaching patience as early as three weeks ago. I think it's really just confirmation of what Gorton has said since they sent out the letter, that they are going to stockpile assets in order to acquire players that can help them win in the future.

I think this coming season is important for NYR management, as it will allow them to assess what they have going forward in a more clear sense. Do Howden, Andersson and Chytil improve? Does Buchnevich find consistency with his effort? Does Strome turn back into a pumpkin? Can Skjei find anothe level and hang with Trouba? Are Kakko and Kravtsov able to immediately step into the top 6? All these questions are unknown to the front office, and I'd be willing to bet they want to see how next season plays out before placing their resources in pushing for the playoffs just yet.

My comment was more in line with how many people were posting on here and the end of last year saying the Rangers have to be bad for a long time and should not go after good talent this offseason because the only way to rebuild is to be terrible. I, along with a few other posters, were saying that being bad ia not the point of a rebuild but getting talent is.

I’m just glad the Rangers are going after better talent and are not living by this myth that the only way to rebuild is to be awful for years while stock piling top 10 picks.
 
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My comment was more in line with how many people were posting on here and the end of last year saying the Rangers have to be bad for a long time and should not go after good talent this offseason because the only way to rebuild is to be terrible. I, along with a few other posters, were saying that being bad ia not the point of a rebuild but getting talent is.

I’m just glad the Rangers are going after better talent and are not living by this myth that the only way to rebuild is to be awful for years while stock piling top 10 picks.

Spot on. The point of a rebuild is to make the team better every step of the way. They've hit ground zero last year when they finished 22 points out of a playoff spot and played meaningless hockey for the longest time in over a decade. Draft picks, hockey trades, developing their youth, and UFA's. Baby steps, but they need to get better as it goes and give their players hope instead of being a perpetual rebuild like Buffalo.
 
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