GDT: Rangers 2019 Training Camp Thread

[Amazing Kreiderman]

So

Panarin — Zibanajed — Buchnevich
Kreider — Chytil — Kakko
Howden — Andersson — Kravtsov
Lemieux — Strome — Namestnikov

I am 100% sure Jesper Fast is in the line up on day 1

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Because the chances of all rookies becoming impact players and no one on the team backsliding all in the same year, are almost non-existent. There is virtually no chance that this team is contending for the Cup. I honestly see a similar finish to last year. This team is not all that much different.

A pessimistic post from a pessimistic poster.

This team will make the playoffs. Especially if Kreider is on the team opening night.

 

[kovazub94]

I feel bad for Kreider. He is in the same spot Zuc and Hayes was. And if you listened to JD yesterday,... you could sense his days are numbered in NY.

And honestly, I really think we need him. We are suddenly a very young team. But I see no way the Rangers can keep him , their hands are tied and management knows this.

And even though I am excited to see these youngsters play this year, I am not looking forward to the growing pains of playing as a unit. Hank might get shelled this year.

Absolutely no need to feel bad for Kreider. He will make a ton of money as UFA next season. Even at a friendly deal, it won’t fit into the team’s cap structure. Even further, if Buchnevich raises his performance to command a similar deal - I’d rather given it to him given his age during the whole contract length. And even then, it’s quite possible that neither is a part of the team long given the team’s depth at forward position.

 

[ohbaby]

Unless the defense continues to lay Hank out to dry

This is my whole point, and the entire season in a nutshell.
Listening to Quinn yesterday, this was the first thing he mentioned. It's all about Defense. Rangers need a defensive structure that everyone can buy into and understand. And according to Quinn the players bought in last year. So why were they so horrible defensively? Quinn needs to show us he can put a system in place that everyone can follow, much like Torts, AV and others before him. Otherwise, it don't matter how many points Kakko and the Breadman put up.

I'm tired of the sloppy play and yearning for the years of being strong defensively. And this is all on the coaches. Quinn more than anyone, needs to step up and prove he can build a solid defensive team. And so far, he has not.

 

[ohbaby]

Absolutely no need to feel bad for Kreider. He will make a ton of money as UFA next season.

Come on. He is a Ranger through and through. If you think money is all there is, think again. It's no wonder Zuc fell apart last year. He was devastated. Don't think for a minute this is not weighing heavily on Kreider. And it is not like there's even a hope he stays after what the Rangers did with Hayes and Zuc. This half season is going to be very hard on him.

 

[kovazub94]

Come on. He is a Ranger through and through. If you think money is all there is, think again. It's no wonder Zuc fell apart last year. He was devastated. Don't think for a minute this is not weighing heavily on Kreider. And it is not like there's even a hope he stays after what the Rangers did with Hayes and Zuc. This half season is going to be very hard on him.

And yet Zuke had no problem going after a 5th year and play for the Wild that will be going nowhere fast. Same sentiment but on the other end of spectrum has Shattenkirk being bought out after 2 years after giving up both term and $$ to be a Ranger. Wind up costing himself and the Rangers in a cap dump. These are possibilities to be considered. Feeling bad or extensively sentimental has no part in this process.

 

[ohbaby]

….Shattenkirk being bought out after 2 years after giving up both term and $$ to be a Ranger...… Feeling bad or extensively sentimental has no part in this process.

Look we all know this is a business. But the situation the Rangers have put players in the last two years, is not good for anyone. How could you play for a team knowing they no longer want you. No matter how you cut it, that is hard to handle. He has given his heart and soul to this team. Much like Zuc and Hayes. This is the only home they knew. How could you not feel bad?

And don't forget how their teammates must have felt. With the contracts given to Trouba and Panarin,... do you think there is any Ranger that doesn't know Kreid's days are numbered? They should move him out before the season starts. It would be a much healthier atmosphere. You think it was a coincidence we won only a handful of games after the trade deadline last year?

Shatty never played knowing he was going to leave us. Nor his teammates knowing.

The Rangers and Kreider need this hanging over their season, like a hole in the head. The press will be on this all year long. Every time Kreids has a good game, or even when he doesn't. This is gonna fester just like last year, unless we win. Which doesn't seem likely until our D makes a complete 360 turnaround.

 

[True Blue]

Points wise, this team will not be that much different.

 

[True Blue]

A pessimistic post from a pessimistic poster.

This team will make the playoffs. Especially if Kreider is on the team opening night.

Sorry, not all of us view the team only through rosy colored glasses. The chances of both Kreider and Buchnevich both being on the team from start to finish is very low. Why? The team cannot afford both players.

For these pie in the sky visions of making the playoffs, a lot of things need to go perfect and almost nothing can go wrong. The chances of ALL of last year's younger players taking major steps forward and ALL of the rookies becoming instant impact players and NONE of the vets depreciating further (Staal, Henke) is almost non-existent.

The team is facing a season with 4 proven top 6 forwards, and a defense that will be at least a third of as rookies if not half. Not to mention Staall still playing 2nd pairing duties. That is in front of a hopeful but far from a sure thing in Georgiev and an another year older Henke, who can no longer cover up for the mistakes that are done in front of him. Then factor in the likelihood of one of Buch or Kreider beign traded. Sorry, but even with Panarin and Trouba, this year the team will not finish that much better than last year's version.

There is pessimism and "stick your head in the sand and ignore everything but what I need to hear" blind optimism. Or realistic and livin' on a prayer.

 

[True Blue]

I'm tired of the sloppy play and yearning for the years of being strong defensively. And this is all on the coaches. Quinn more than anyone, needs to step up and prove he can build a solid defensive team. And so far, he has not.

The system he put in place is light years ahead of anything AV did. The issue last year is that look who was playing it. You had the 3 S boys (Staal, Shattenkirk & Smith). Pionk. And Skej had a bad year. DeAngelo finally got whatever it is that the coaches wanted him to do and stop thinking of himself as the 4th forward. Bu that was later on in the year. You could have had the Devils system from the 90s and with that personnel, it would appear not to be working.

They should move him out before the season starts. It would be a much healthier atmosphere. You think it was a coincidence we won only a handful of games after the trade deadline last year?

The team only won a handful of games after the deadline due to the fact that it lost top players in Hayes and Zucc. Gorton tried moving Kreider. Either the deal was not there or the return was pitiful. What would you have him do? Bribe a team to take him by sending them a draft pick bribe?

Gorton has done a good job but contrary to popular feelings out there, he cannot simply force a GM on another team to take players and give him a good return. Unless he brings Luca Brassi with him.

 

[RGY]

 

[egelband]

This is my whole point, and the entire season in a nutshell.
Listening to Quinn yesterday, this was the first thing he mentioned. It's all about Defense. Rangers need a defensive structure that everyone can buy into and understand. And according to Quinn the players bought in last year. So why were they so horrible defensively? Quinn needs to show us he can put a system in place that everyone can follow, much like Torts, AV and others before him. Otherwise, it don't matter how many points Kakko and the Breadman put up.

I'm tired of the sloppy play and yearning for the years of being strong defensively. And this is all on the coaches. Quinn more than anyone, needs to step up and prove he can build a solid defensive team. And so far, he has not.

I agree and would even take it a step further. I think forwards should be held to (almost) the same standard for defense as a defenseman. I always raise an eyebrow when people lay the blame for all a teams defensive fault at the feet of the two defensemen.
Defense is a team project. The area of the ice the defensemen are responsible for is for sure the most critical area. But that's pretty much the only mitigating factor. Otherwise it's a pretty equally shared responsibility.

 

[ohbaby]

The system he put in place is light years ahead of anything AV did. The issue last year is that look who was playing it. You had the 3 S boys (Staal, Shattenkirk & Smith). Pionk. And Skej had a bad year. DeAngelo finally got whatever it is that the coaches wanted him to do and stop thinking of himself as the 4th forward. Bu that was later on in the year. You could have had the Devils system from the 90s and with that personnel, it would appear not to be working.

The team only won a handful of games after the deadline due to the fact that it lost top players in Hayes and Zucc. Gorton tried moving Kreider. Either the deal was not there or the return was pitiful. What would you have him do? Bribe a team to take him by sending them a draft pick bribe?

Gorton has done a good job but contrary to popular feelings out there, he cannot simply force a GM on another team to take players and give him a good return. Unless he brings Luca Brassi with him.

I disagree with putting the burden on our blueline last year. More often than not, it wasn't d-men getting beat but blown coverage from our forwards. And that is on playing as a unit of five. A defensive structure. It seemed like it was always the third man in who was left alone to get a quality chance. And that is not the fault of our blueline.

I'm not blaming Gordo for our situation. Just that we need to move Kreids as best we can, as soon as we can. Otherwise moral will take a huge hit.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

A pessimistic post from a pessimistic poster.

This team will make the playoffs. Especially if Kreider is on the team opening night.

They still need a ton to go right in order to be a playoff team.

It's possible this year though as opposed to some of the insane prognostications that were thrown out before last season started. At least this season there are fewer things that need to fall in their favor so there is a better chance of things coming together.

Goaltending will sort itself out but the D worries me a ton with Staal/Ruff/Youth.

 

[ohbaby]

I agree and would even take it a step further. I think forwards should be held to (almost) the same standard for defense as a defenseman. I always raise an eyebrow when people lay three blame for all a teams defensive fault at the feet of the two defensemen.
Defense is a team project. The area of the ice the defensemen are responsible for is for sure the most critical area. But that's pretty much the only mitigating factor. Otherwise it's a pretty equally shared responsibility.

This is the only way as you described to play solid D. And Quinn is fully aware of it. Most of the time he benched or lowered players to the 4th line, was due to their lack of defensive responsibilities. But for whatever reason, he could not turn the players around. He could not light a fire under them. They need possibly a better system, better instruction, better something. Cause they were awfully sloppy last year. And I lay this directly at the coaches feet. Must play as a unit of five.

 

[egelband]

Do the players hit the ice today?

 

[ohbaby]

Do the players hit the ice today?

Sure do. The 3 squads are listed above on this page courtesy of RGY.

 

[will1066]

Team C is gonna have a hard time

 

[Graves94]

Team A is listing ADA on it...

 

[chosen]

Points wise, this team will not be that much different.

Vegas says 10 point difference.

 

[egelband]

Team A is listing ADA on it...

Wasn't this released a few days ago? Or is this new?

 

[NYRFANMANI]

Points wise, this team will not be that much different.

We had 78 points last season with 32 regular time victories. I think the team will be clearly better. End up with like 86 pts. Not much different, I guess.

Pionk and Shat are gone, and they we're quite the pylons. Smith gets buried or not, idk. Trouba steps in, Fox seems able to be make the team. It may not be much better, but the defense will be different that's for sure.

We potentially added a lot of points, specially with Panarin. Offense will be better. Watch out for Lias? Dat JD interview, he said: "they tell me Lias Andersson has completely changed his body". Him and Chytil should be better.

I'm gonna wait for the "bold predictions" thread.

 

[eco's bones]

I'm a bit more optimistic than some. We have two legit 1st line forwards in Zibanejad and Panarin. Panarin is easily a better player than either Zuccarello or Hayes by the way. Kreider and Buch are legit support scorers. I expect Kakko to make a real impact and if that does happen we should have enough pieces to put together two very good offensive lines. So the question then becomes can Kravtsov make an impact too?--will Chytil, Howden, Andersson and Lemieux continue to improve? If most of that turns into a yes then the Rangers should have a good offense.

Trouba should help the defense a lot. He's an all situations player who can play 25 minutes a game. He's comparable quality wise to Ryan McDonagh. He's good offensively and defensively and plays with edge. He's arguably a lower end NHL #1D. Having him makes it much easier to slot the rest of our defense properly into roles that fit their skillsets and experience. Whether or not the Rangers pair him with Skjei--I look at Brady as a 2nd pairing guy. He's a legit top 4 but a reach on the first pairing. Beyond those 2 there's the question of how Fox adapts to the NHL and whether DeAngelo improves enough defensively to become a legit 2nd pairing D too. If the result is positive that's a big win but it remains to be seen. We really need one of the prospect LD's--Rykov, Hajek, Reunanen, Lindgren to solidify a spot in the Rangers lineup--that guy is really going to be Staal's replacement. It will allow us to move on from him--at the same time we don't want to be looking at a situation where no one does and Miller and Robertson also waiting in the wings. A guy who makes it now is not going to be clogging up the situation next year.

Georgiev and Shesterkin are in place to make sure Lundqvist gets enough rest or in place if he falters.

The coaching situation is better for us as well. The new coaching thing is over. The players have a very good idea what the coaches want from them. Not so much about learning systems this year--more about coming together as a team. We're in the next step stage here.

 

[ohbaby]

…. coming together as a team

Listing the strengths of the individual players means nothing unless this happens ^^^
Must play as a unit of five, up and down the ice. And after last year, Quinn has his hands full. This team has only gotten younger and more inexperienced.

I sound so much like a Debbie Downer, I wanna puke. I really hope the learning curve is minimal, and that the excitement of the players and this new season, can make them a highly competitive bunch. I really do. I know Kakko and Panarin won't take losing lightly. Light the fire boys!

 

[chosen]

If the Rangers aren't much improved from last season, it will mean that Chytil, Anderson, Buchnevich and Howden all failed to live up to what is expected of them. If two of them improve nicely, they are a playoff team, in my opinion.

Further breaking it down, success from Chytil and Buch make the Rangers a team that presents major problems for their opponents.

The biggest missing piece is a young offensive dynamo Dman unless Fox becomes that. Guys like Dahlin, Heiskanen, and Makar are popping up all over the league and are they fun to watch.