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GDT: Rangers 2019 Training Camp Thread

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Ola said:
Its amazing, the organizations JD bossed over managed to win what one round in the POs over the 13 years he bossed over them! ;)

Seriously though, I have a problem with JD. The reason for it is that we have seen some madness in NY. The level of management we have experienced has in many instances been worse than what a fan-base should have to endure, post 94'. In principle -- all -- those disastrous performances by GMs to coaches have been a result of people living in the past, not adopting to the development of the game. Remember that the game of hockey and the NHL have developed tremendously fast from say 1979 to 2019.

The by far biggest mistake made around this franchise was that it didn't adopt to the trapping era. All teams in this league eventually adjusted but we didn't. You also had the Smith/Slats madness chasing names instead of building teams and what not. Everyone know that JD was a dreamer that wouldn't question any crazy ambition or approach from management. Then someone will lol and ask what was JD supposed to do etc etc etc. And he was of course not behind anything, didn't cause anything, but we all know that he didn't believe that he was watching by far the worst run organization in pro-sports -- which he was.

Then he goes on to STL and get zero results and accomplish nothing and then its CBJ and its just more of the same. He is on record being on board with bringing in John Tortorella, who is another one who was great but got caught in what worked yesterday and who sets back that organization years at the time focusing on the wrong things.

I cannot say that I know JD will do a bad job in NY. He could end up doing a great job. But I am not convinced that he won't do a horrible job. And I would have liked it a lot more if we would have brought in someone who had displayed that he understood the developing nature of the game in a way Glen Sather for example did not. JMHO.
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For as much as his time here had come, AV and his first 2 seasons here are almost the sole reason the league is so speed crazy these days
 
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Joey Bones said:
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The kid is very good in the AHL and is more than capable of being on a bottom 6 in the NHL....
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More like a 4th liner than a 3rd though. Boo is offensively challenged. What I like though is he's big, fast and strong and where I see a role for him is as a 4th liner and on the penalty kill.
 
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eco's bones said:
More like a 4th liner than a 3rd though. Boo is offensively challenged. What I like though is he's big, fast and strong and where I see a role for him is as a 4th liner and on the penalty kill.
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He’s the quintessential new age 4th liner. He’s also getting better on draws and can play center or wing. He’s a NHL player which is solid for where he was selected. Oh and he’s cost controlled.
 
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LeetchisGod said:
Miller, Robertson, Hajek, Rykov, and Reunanen are all LD with higher upside. Not to mention Skjei who is already established. The odds aren't in his favor.
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Not all of those should be a third paring defenseman. Not all of those are willing to engage the opposition. Sometimes roles on a hockey team are not all about who has the higher upside. Having higher upsides does not equate to always reaching them. And some roles on a team are not about upside but about filling a role. Some assets with higher upside will be traded for more assets.
 
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If DeAngelo signs now, has a good camp and develops further this season he will earn himself more money in his next contract than whatever he's trying to get from the Rangers right now.

He can't risk losing his spot on the depth chart by missing time. He knows the Rangers added Trouba and Fox, right?
 
Paulie Walnutz said:
DeAngelo better than Trouba? At what? Making spaghetti carbonara? Oh my bad, he’s the best transitional passer in the league.
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What must agree that TDA is a bit quicker on his skates and better at moving the puck fast than Trouba, right?

While the later of course is better than the former defensively.
 
as a big time adam fox fanboy, me and us cannot fall into that trap off assuming hes going to be just as good as ADA right outa the gate.

he
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ADA, even with all his "issues", was a damn good man last season once he got regular minutes. his numbers were, for the most part- outworldly, when he had the puck on his stick.

get him signed.
 
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Brooklyn Ranger said:
I agree. I can easily see a situation where Lindgren ends up on the roster. He plays a simple game, skates pretty well and plays with some snarl. Having a player like him in the lineup helps keep the team from getting pushed around.
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That's the thing. People think a deterrent is for keeping Tom Wilson from headshotting your stars. But it's not. It's for the general flow. Keeping the line moving forward and not back. That's truly a thing. Every line can use a little snarl.
And also, saying "deterrent" doesn't have to be a knuckle dragging goon "from 1979". Those of us who advocate having some grit want it in the form of a reasonably-talented player.
 
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NYR94 said:
If DeAngelo signs now, has a good camp and develops further this season he will earn himself more money in his next contract than whatever he's trying to get from the Rangers right now.

He can't risk losing his spot on the depth chart by missing time. He knows the Rangers added Trouba and Fox, right?
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Unless he wants to be traded
 
True Blue said:
Not all of those should be a third paring defenseman. Not all of those are willing to engage the opposition. Sometimes roles on a hockey team are not all about who has the higher upside. Having higher upsides does not equate to always reaching them. And some roles on a team are not about upside but about filling a role. Some assets with higher upside will be traded for more assets.
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We'll see. I'm just not as sold on Lindgren as some here seem to be. Hope he proves me wrong.
 
nyr2k2 said:
Which is totally possible and non often discussed here. He may have been upset with how last season played out, how these negotiations have played out, and want to move on.
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True. But that would be a shame. I hope that's not his mindset
 
egelband said:
That's the thing. People think a deterrent is for keeping Tom Wilson from headshotting your stars. But it's not. It's for the general flow. Keeping the line moving forward and not back. That's truly a thing. Every line can use a little snarl.
And also, saying "deterrent" doesn't have to be a knuckle dragging goon "from 1979". Those of us who advocate having some grit want it in the form of a reasonably-talented player.
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I think the whole idea that one person can be a deterrent (at least in the league as it is today) has been disproven.

But there's certainly room for snarl or grit (although they have become a bit of a cliche around here). Especially with a young team. It's all part of building a team that is hard to play against.
 
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True Blue said:
Not all of those should be a third paring defenseman. Not all of those are willing to engage the opposition. Sometimes roles on a hockey team are not all about who has the higher upside. Having higher upsides does not equate to always reaching them. And some roles on a team are not about upside but about filling a role. Some assets with higher upside will be traded for more assets.
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It still amazes me that people on here don’t recognize the currency with which a (hopefully) successful team is built.

I assume this is due to nearly 20 years of Sather attempting to purchase one via straight cash and 1st rd draft picks.

In a cap league... talent is the currency. Cap space, yes and of course draft picks come into play (usually & hopefully once the TEAM is all but established).

Talent gives u everything u need to win the Cup
 
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