GDT: Rangers 2019 Training Camp Thread: Part II

[Joey Bones]

Unfortunately there is nothing to be done. There are no deals out there

So sure about that? Listen, none of us are involved with the big picture. Let's see where it goes before being so exact....

 

[duhmetreE]

Chytil is not getting sent down, jesus people. He’s already an NHL player. If he doesnt make the 2nd line he makes the 3rd line.

I dont agree with that. He's a 'top6 player'. If he's not getting top6 ice. he's sure as shit not grinding out bottom6 duties. He gets stuck in no mans land with a fading confidence.

Chytil might take a some time to develop... Like I've said in the past, he has skill but I find his IQ/gamesense suspect. I could see a Kreider type timeline... Major difference and problem, there's a lot of talent in front of him and we let him get his peepee wet already. Weird spot

He also stickhandles like he fell asleep on both arms

 

[RGY]

I think Hank has looked very sharp so far. He looked incredible last night.

55 Games for Hank. 27 for GG. That is a pretty good split. Maybe 52/30. Keep Hank fresh.

Also, I think Hank probably feels a bit reinvigorated with the moves the team has made.

 

[nyr2k2]

I say no more than 50 games for Hank. Maybe 45. The other 37, maybe you have Georgiev getting 27 and Shesterkin getting 10 if he's ready. Or even Huska if he looks good and Shesterkin takes time to adjust. Anyway, gotta integrate the younger guys. Hank is still my favorite player but we have some guys we need to focus on that are part of a future that doesn't contain Lundqvist.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

IMO, Kravtsov could be well served by some AHL time.

 

[offdacrossbar]

hank played well last year then tired. georgie picked up the slack with some spectacular games.

i believe Quinn wants hank to have a good season meaning, less work and fresher legs the entire year.

the key will be the right mix of games. we may well see a close to 50/50 split and that may be the best thing for henrik.

 

[Tawnos]

I think Hank has looked very sharp so far. He looked incredible last night.

55 Games for Hank. 27 for GG. That is a pretty good split. Maybe 52/30. Keep Hank fresh.

Also, I think Hank probably feels a bit reinvigorated with the moves the team has made.

I don't know that he'll get that many games, but even if he does... as long as it's not heavily weighted to the beginning of the year, I'm happy.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Chytil is not getting sent down, jesus people. He’s already an NHL player. If he doesnt make the 2nd line he makes the 3rd line.

I dunno. I'm as big of a Chytil fan as any, but he has been fairly invisible to me. Which, I guess it could be worse. He could be noticeable in a Marc Staal/Brendan Smith kind of way.

 

[RGY]

I don't know that he'll get that many games, but even if he does... as long as it's not heavily weighted to the beginning of the year, I'm happy.

Agreed. He needs balance. I think he can be pretty damn good if he isn’t spent by January. Georgiev is a more than capable backup, even as Starter ability.

But I do like what I have seen from Hank so far. He looks pretty quick out there.

 

[Tawnos]

Agreed. He needs balance. I think he can be pretty damn good if he isn’t spent by January. Georgiev is a more than capable backup, even as Starter ability.

But I do like what I have seen from Hank so far. He looks pretty quick out there.

Well... whatever his workload, applying how he looks in preseason to how he will look in January is ill-advised. It's a good sign for the start of the year.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Something hasn't been right with Kakko the last couple of games. He looks competent but not the game breaking talent I saw in the first game of the preseason. Maybe getting used to the NHL schedule, dunno, but last night he looked overmatched.

 

[RGY]

Something hasn't been right with Kakko the last couple of games. He looks competent but not the game breaking talent I saw in the first game of the preseason. Maybe getting used to the NHL schedule, dunno, but last night he looked overmatched.

I think he is just feeling things out. Making adjustments. Getting used to the speed of the NHL. Developing his awareness of three feet around him at all times, all areas of the ice.

I’m not too worried. I think there will be an adjustment period over the first month of the season.

 

[Fitzy]

Something hasn't been right with Kakko the last couple of games. He looks competent but not the game breaking talent I saw in the first game of the preseason. Maybe getting used to the NHL schedule, dunno, but last night he looked overmatched.

Different players give different levels of effort to preseason, especially when they're already a lock to make the team.

That said, and I've been harping on this to much pushback from day one, there's no reason to assume automatically that Kakko becomes a star his first season.

 

[JimmyG89]

Based on their play, these would be the guys I would have on the roster for opening night:

F: Zibanejad, Panarin, Buchnevich, Kreider, Andersson, Kakko, Namestnikov, Strome, Fast, Nieves, McKegg, Lemieux, Howden
D: Trouba, Fox, DeAngelo, Skjei, Hajek, Staal, Morrow (700K, 1 yr)
G: Lundqvist, Georgiev

Nieves or McKegg are the 13th forward. Kravtsov and Chytil go to Hartford to play games with each other on the top line.

I sign Morrow for cap reasons alone. He'd cost them about 400k less than having Smith be the 7th D. It would allow more flexibility for the roster the rest of the season and the team can bank the cap space for future call ups. I do think Smith has played better than Morrow, but it's not by a ton where the extra wiggle room under the cap is greater than their play.

Also, all the other LHD get to go down to Hartford and play, as opposed to sitting out. If they would do it, Staal would just be #7 and one of the kids, likely Lindgren would get that spot for now, while Rykov gets time after recovering from his ankle issues. Reunanen could would be in that mix too.

The extra room plays into having Shesterkin start in the AHL and can be called up without having to send down Georgiev. This would allow them to sit Hank on the 2nd of back to backs, with no concern he'd have to come into the game if the starter is ineffective. Also, on those 3 in 4 nights (or those 3 in 3 1/2 days that happen from time to time), all the goalies could get one of the games. Spread the workload out among the three of them.

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

I dunno. I'm as big of a Chytil fan as any, but he has been fairly invisible to me. Which, I guess it could be worse. He could be noticeable in a Marc Staal/Brendan Smith kind of way.

I thought he was quite good in the 2nd and 3rd periods last night. Was an absolute terror on the boards, winning pucks from multiple Flyers on more than one occasion.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Different players give different levels of effort to preseason, especially when they're already a lock to make the team.

That said, and I've been harping on this to much pushback from day one, there's no reason to assume automatically that Kakko becomes a star his first season.

Absolutely. Part of me thinks he's saving himself for the regular season and not going all out in meaningless preseason games.

A 50 point rookie season from Kakko would be a major success in my view.

 

[True Blue]

So sure about that? Listen, none of us are involved with the big picture. Let's see where it goes before being so exact....

I am sure to the extent that our own insiders, and what parcels of information the various pundits wrote about. Names has been shopped since the draft. No takers. Buchnevich has been shopped since the draft. No takers. Kreider has been shopped since the draft. Either no takers or the return is pennies on the dollar. We know that Stall and Smith are essentially untradeable. I also believe that Gorotn has no desire to have such a small amount of cap space. So yeah, pretty sure. Or as sure as I, the uninformed, can be.

 

[True Blue]

IMO, Kravtsov could be well served by some AHL time.

I believe that is exactly where he starts the year.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Absolutely. Part of me thinks he's saving himself for the regular season and not going all out in meaningless preseason games.

A 50 point rookie season from Kakko would be a major success in my view.

I wouldn’t be surprised if his conditioning also could use work. Completely my own observation but his explosiveness seems to tail off as games progress. He’s still 18 after all, a beast for his age but likely still needs work vs men who have been building muscle and trimming fat under a pro regimen for 5-10 years.

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Something hasn't been right with Kakko the last couple of games. He looks competent but not the game breaking talent I saw in the first game of the preseason. Maybe getting used to the NHL schedule, dunno, but last night he looked overmatched.

I noticed that his explosiveness has been muted of late. However, I did notice that because of this, he paid more attention to the other aspects of his game. He always knew where his man was in the D-zone (did a nice job tieing up a player directly in front of Henrik on a partial screen). Also, he was rarely (if ever) out of position. I'm not worried.

 

[offdacrossbar]

kakkos effectiveness is dependent on his center being able to get him the puck down low where he can go to work and create chances for himself and others.

anyone thinking kakko cant do it all himself will be disappointed.

 

[AIexisLafreniereNYR]

Really disappointed Kaapo isn’t on the first line. I mean yeah Buch looks great on the line, but we’re talking about an elite talent. Putting him on the first line will just up his confidence 5x more playing with a star player and an actual #1 center

 

[The Crypto Guy]

kakkos effectiveness is dependent on his center being able to get him the puck down low where he can go to work and create chances for himself and others.

anyone thinking kakko cant do it all himself will be disappointed.

I don't think anyone was expecting that his rookie season. But in a couple years? Yea he very likely will be doing it himself on any line.

 

[NYR Viper]

Really disappointed Kaapo isn’t on the first line. I mean yeah Buch looks great on the line, but we’re talking about an elite talent. Putting him on the first line will just up his confidence 5x more playing with a star player and an actual #1 center

It also means a lot more minutes which may or may not be productive for an 18 year old playing in his first season.

 

[JimmyG89]

Yes, thrust the guy who is the best forward talent this team has had in nearly 15 years into a 1st line role he could do well in, but isn't the optimal fit at this time.

Auston Matthews didn't even get put on the "top line" in his first season. Neither did Crosby. All these guys got limited minutes off the bat to get adjusted. They eventually went into that role, some even in their rookie season.

He's 18. Let him grow his game to become dominant on a line. We're in no rush, in spite of fans thinking that we are.

Did people really miss the Islanders game the other night? That top line was downright dominant. Keep them together and let Kakko grow with our other young forwards that will be in the middle six this season.