GDT: Rangers 2019 Training Camp Thread: Part II

[Kovalev27]

Power move. I hope he makes it now.

Kind of do too lol

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I'm teasing you. You do seem to take it personal if people are short of hostile towards him.

Notice that I didn't mention anything about Staal, but you assume I had a particular view. It's going to be a long two years if you don't find a way to ignore some of the Staal things.

Not personal and it doesn't need to be hostile, just honest.

And none of those things are opinions I planted on you, they were things that have been said by others here and in other threads.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Hi fellas/fellettes, was just wondering how Adam Fox has been looking in camp? Is he probable to make the team?

Very intriguing prospect for me. Just has such great poise and can really control the tempo of a game with the puck on his stick when I've watched him. It's when it's not on his stick that seemed like a bit of an issue but I don't know if that'll be enough to keep him out of the NHL this year.

He's had a very, very good camp and dominated at the Traverse City Tournament.

He's done more than enough to make the team.

 

[aufheben]

Tbh I’m less than impressed with all three

Pikachu it is then.

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

Wonder how much Staal’s extension will be for

 

[haveandare]

My guess is he has no feel for the position.

He did pretty damn well at it in the AHL for someone with no feel for it.

 

[Leetch3]

so vince's articles are behind a pay wall after the first few articles? well its been fun reading his stuff while it lasted lol

 

[haveandare]

so vince's articles are behind a pay wall after the first few articles? well its been fun reading his stuff while it lasted lol

Yup. Same here. Especially for such a low price, does it honestly make any difference? Gotta wonder.

 

[Leetch3]

Yup. Same here. Especially for such a low price, does it honestly make any difference? Gotta wonder.

lohud makes you pause ad blocker to read the few free articles...if there are ads why do you need my $$ and if i'm paying i shouldn't be getting ads. but enough on that topic lol

 

[ColonialsHockey10]

I tweeted joe Morrow is really really bad and joe morrow liked my tweet lol

Didn’t he get in trouble for some twitter comments years ago when he was still a prospect?

Big twitter guy evidently.

 

[Shesterkybomb]

So why not use Andersson and not Strome at 2C? I get Strome is a stop gap but rather see a kid there

Strome did well to end the year, not sure why he wouldnt get a chance at it, imo he earned it. The kids are better served to be sheltered until they are ready to handle it.

 

[Leetch3]

thoughts on the 2c spot...

there are ZERO good options...some options we might like better than others, but there are no good options to fill that role. none of the kids are ready and the vet options aren't that good.I don't think its much of a surprise that 2C will likely be the weak link on the team and a key reason why come april we will be watching the draft lottery and not the playoffs...and that is why IMO the important thing isn't Oct 3rd or even this season, the important thing is what is best for the development of the 3 kids in the long run...chytil, andersson and howden are hugely important to the future of this franchise, way beyond this season. so the key isn't just this year. its very easy to forget how young they are (especially chytil).

so none of them are really ready for that role...so if put into that role they will struggle and be over their head at times. the question though is will they be so overwhelmed that you'll kill their confidence and hurt their long term development (which is hard to say without knowing the kids and their mental make up)...or if you are willing to live thru the growing pains they will grow into the role.

if you think that it will hurt their long term development (most important thing) then strome at 2C is the right move. thats why he is still here to protect those 3 if they aren't ready....but on the flipside if we need to sit thru chytil struggling big time early in the year, but he improves and grows during the year and heading into next year he's a legit 2C then I look at that as a HUGE win.

 

[Leetch3]

on chytil being moved to wing (at least for now)...I don't have an issue with him playing wing cause its still debatable if his future is at center or wing. but I really hate the fact that the team was so adamant that he was a center and would be a center and then moved him without giving him even the slightest change. I realize that we aren't seeing practice but he didn't get a single game between kreider and kakko. IMO if you were that low on the idea of him being the 2C that you pulled the plug before even giving him a chance then why was he even in that spot in the first place?

sometimes coaches make the mistake of sticking with things that don't work for too long and they need to be flexible. but I think Quinn needs to show a little more patience sticking with his plans to give them a chance to work or fail, but you need to actually try them.

also if the organization is as dead set on him being a center in the long run is he gonna get their playing RW on the 3rd line? vs 1C in hartford playing with kravtsov? I mean normally i'd say the idea of sending him down is insane, but at the same time how will he ever learn to be a center if you aren't letting him play center?

 

[Kendo]

You're just showing your anti-Lias bias.

I think "Anti-Lee-as bee-as" is funnier than "Anti-L-eye-as bias" because incorrectly pronouncing the common word is funnier than incorrectly pronouncing his name for an easier pun.

I'm lit. I know.

 

[haveandare]

on chytil being moved to wing (at least for now)...I don't have an issue with him playing wing cause its still debatable if his future is at center or wing. but I really hate the fact that the team was so adamant that he was a center and would be a center and then moved him without giving him even the slightest change. I realize that we aren't seeing practice but he didn't get a single game between kreider and kakko. IMO if you were that low on the idea of him being the 2C that you pulled the plug before even giving him a chance then why was he even in that spot in the first place?

sometimes coaches make the mistake of sticking with things that don't work for too long and they need to be flexible. but I think Quinn needs to show a little more patience sticking with his plans to give them a chance to work or fail, but you need to actually try them.

also if the organization is as dead set on him being a center in the long run is he gonna get their playing RW on the 3rd line? vs 1C in hartford playing with kravtsov? I mean normally i'd say the idea of sending him down is insane, but at the same time how will he ever learn to be a center if you aren't letting him play center?

Yeah, well put. That's really the weirdness - being open about him getting a shot at 2C, then not getting a game in with the second line wings, then taking him off and switching him to wing.

The only explanation IMO is that because they have a week off after the first two games, they're taking their time in the preseason to try every possible combo and see if anything works particularly well. Trying these different combos and see if someone gets lightning in a bottle, and if not, the top 6 will start as what they said. After the first two games, they have a week to decide to try to iron out whatever issues revealed themselves, or try different combos going forward.

This idea kind of meshes with Quinn saying that the lineups for the next two games won't be the final lineup and with their really weird schedule to start.

 

[Ola]

there is soooooo much wrong with this I don’t even know where to begin.

Staal has negative on ice effects with nearly everyone he plays with. Not just corsi, but more telling stats like xGF%, HDSA, etc. With him in not just the obvious egregious mistakes, it’s the ones that happen 10-15 seconds before a goal that are way too common.

He is often the worst player on the ice and he gets a ton of minutes, that is an issue. He wasn’t last night, but that doesn’t mean he was good or even “fine.” I don’t understand why the bar is set so low for the guy.

And the play that led to the goal was bad luck, but bad luck that happened because staal’s slow ass got bodied off of the puck by a 170 pound forward. Those are the types of mistakes he can’t fix.

A couple of things.

1. We all know that the numbers you point out cannot be expected to hold up to form the basis of a comparison of a player getting tough minutes with a player getting easy minutes.

Girardi is the worst in the league ever according to those stats, then change team to Tampa and is much improved over night. Is there state tax on metrics too? Skjei and Smith are our best Ds when they play easy minutes on the 3rd pairing, then they are worthless when they get harder minutes.

I am not saying that the metrics aren’t telling, but I often buy them on a good/bad scale, not best/worst scale.

2. You say that you don’t get why the bar is set so low for this guy. I am not sure if we are talking about the same things here. I’ve been arguing for that Staal should be bought out all summer lol. It’s not like I am the director of his fan club.

But I think you will learn that — all fan bases — have a number of Ds they feel exactly the same about as we do about Staal.

Just saying that he is not horrible every night, not by the same standards we say that Hajak or guys like that had great games.

 

[Rongomania]

I think "Anti-Lee-as bee-as" is funnier than "Anti-L-eye-as bias" because incorrectly pronouncing the common word is funnier than incorrectly pronouncing his name for an easier pun.

I'm lit. I know.

Love this guy @Kendo

LIT.

 

[ohbaby]

2C will likely be the weak link on the team and a key reason why come april we will be watching the draft lottery and not the playoffs.

I had made mention earlier that this is probably the key to our season. As you have stated it is the most glaring weakness this team has.

But just imagine for a moment if Chytil could fill that role, just by handling his defensive responsibilities. All of a sudden, our glaring weakness turns into one of our strengths. His success there could take us from lottery hopeful to the playoffs in one fell swoop. He doesn't even need to be the offensive juggernaut on that line, not with Kakko and Kreider. As long as he can keep up with them on the rush which should be no problem at all for him, we might be looking pretty good. All he needs to do is show he can play responsibly. He has said, he wants to play his natural position. I think we should give him that opportunity. His success there, could make all the difference to the Rangers this season.

 

[eco's bones]

One of the reasons for splitting up Zibanejad and Panarin would be to put Panarin on Chytil's wing and kind of kickstart him into the 2c role. Artemi will make things happen whatever line he's on and IMO he'd help Filip out a lot. At the same time Kreider going on Mika's wing again should help keep his numbers up which is kind of important if we move ahead with trading him by the deadline.

So something like:

Kreider/Zibanejad/Buchnevich
Panarin/Chytil/Kakko

......and Panarin and Kakko are the two best forwards on that line. That would be good for Filip IMO and should give us two very good and productive lines.

 

[ohbaby]

One of the reasons for splitting up Zibanejad and Panarin would be to put Panarin on Chytil's wing and kind of kickstart him into the 2c role. Artemi will make things happen whatever line he's on and IMO he'd help Filip out a lot. At the same time Kreider going on Mika's wing again should help keep his numbers up which is kind of important if we move ahead with trading him by the deadline.

So something like:

Kreider/Zibanejad/Buchnevich
Panarin/Chytil/Kakko

......and Panarin and Kakko are the two best forwards on that line. That would be good for Filip IMO and should give us two very good and productive lines.

That is not a bad idea there Eco. Not bad at all. And it wouldn't surprise me that this is given a try sometime this season.

Kreids, Ziba, and Buch have played extremely well together in the past.

 

[Bring Back Avery]

I think the biggest weakness for anyone who is going to be ANY of our centers is their face-off abilities.

 

[Rongomania]

One of the reasons for splitting up Zibanejad and Panarin would be to put Panarin on Chytil's wing and kind of kickstart him into the 2c role. Artemi will make things happen whatever line he's on and IMO he'd help Filip out a lot. At the same time Kreider going on Mika's wing again should help keep his numbers up which is kind of important if we move ahead with trading him by the deadline.

So something like:

Kreider/Zibanejad/Buchnevich
Panarin/Chytil/Kakko

......and Panarin and Kakko are the two best forwards on that line. That would be good for Filip IMO and should give us two very good and productive lines.

Buuut.. that last game the bread/buch chemistry is something that needs to be a staple here moving forward I think.... I mean, they did kinda look like they've been playing together for years... already ..

 

[Kovalev27]

I just don’t see why we can’t live with some defensive deficiencies from our 20 year old 2C. Other teams do it all the time. We have to have a perfect two way center or forget it? How many young kid’s come in can’t play any defense and light it up offensively and learn that side of the game as they go along. They don’t get flipped to third line wing before they even get a game on the 2nd line. Matt Barzal comes to mind.

I think Quinn saw us get hammered with ridiculous non nhl lineups and said enough of that we need defense. That is silly. Put an nhl team on the ice and Chytil would be absolutely fine out there

 

[eco's bones]

Buuut.. that last game the bread/buch chemistry is something that needs to be a staple here moving forward I think.... I mean, they did kinda look like they've been playing together for years... already ..

I agree.....they (as in Zibanejad, Buchnevich and Panarin) looked fantastic together. Personally though I think both Zibanejad and Panarin could easily lead a line and be very productive with others.....and if the Rangers can find a way to get Chytil going this year--look out for us because we're going to have a very dangerous offense. To me it's like diversifying the offense.

 

[Rongomania]

I agree.....they (as in Zibanejad, Buchnevich and Panarin) looked fantastic together. Personally though I think both Zibanejad and Panarin could easily lead a line and be very productive with others.....and if the Rangers can find a way to get Chytil going this year--look out for us because we're going to have a very dangerous offense. To me it's like diversifying the offense.

Some of the best preseason play I can honestly say I've ever seen from an offensive standpoint on this team. Bread/Buch/Zibs is filth