Post-Game Talk: RANGER vs lightnings

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  • Chris Kreider

  • Mika Zibanejad

  • Kaapo Kakko

  • Artemis Panarin

  • Vincent Trochecks

  • Vitali ‘The Chosen One’ Kravtsov

  • Alexis Lafreniere

  • Filip Chytil

  • Barclay Goodrow

  • Ryan ‘BBC’ Reaves

  • Elton Carpenter

  • Jimithy Vesey the 2nd

  • Ronald Lindgren

  • Adam Fux

  • KAndre Miller

  • Jacob Trouba

  • Zac Jone!

  • Bevin Schneider

  • L + Ratio + Igor’s Better


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RangersFan1994

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The rangers being able to win without fox having to carry the mail the whole time is massive. Fox is human and he gets worn down when he has to carry the transition game himself. Jones offering another defenser that can get the puck moving is a big deal for this team.


I heard blais stubbed his toe in the press box...
I feel clearing the crease might be an issues with the smaller dman on this team.
Another physical defenseman back there is kinda needed. I would not mind a Logan Stanley type here. Someone to protect Igor a bit. need to get a bit more size grit and that can skate on the back end. I rather go after another dman between now and Christmas. one injury away from Hajek and other not ready young talent in Hartford.
 

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Another thing that ESPN did to a bit of talking about was Jones. Seeing a lot of time against guys like Paul, Maroon and to a lesser extent Perry, I thought Jones did a decent job at choosing when to fully engage physically versus using positioning to line up for a stick/poke check. He stands 0 chance to ever out muscle guys like that, but if he can outsmart them, he'll be just fine. Thought he looked really good.

Another note on defense is Fox may have been, to me anyway, one of our least noticeable defesnemen. Nothing to complain about, because if thats the case, we will be just fine. It won't always be the case, so Fox will be fine and the team will be better for it with 6 competent defensemen instead of 5.

I think our PP has the potential to be better than last season. Especially now with Trocheck and the way he reads and pops higher in slot for shooting position (and the fact hes a better shooter than Strome), we quite literally have 5 scoring threats at all times. I really liked Trochecks game tonight, could be a big season for Panarin, Trocheck and whoever the 3rd member is on that line.
I did like when Fox played with 4D chess with Paul at the right point. Did the patented do-nothing, wait-him-out move on him.
 

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I feel clearing the crease might be an issues with the smaller dman on this team.
Another physical defenseman back there is kinda needed. I would not mind a Logan Stanley type here. Someone to protect Igor a bit. need to get a bit more size grit and that can skate on the back end. I rather go after another dman between now and Christmas. one injury away from Hajek and other not ready young talent in Hartford.
Who are you taking out of the d? You have 4 of 6 guys that if they want to can clear the front and make things miserable. Fox isn't coming out, and Jones is in there to help the transition and possibly QB the pp2. This is what we have right now and I am okay with it unless they prove otherwise.
 
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I know this, but this is one of my issues with them not getting significant special team time. If they continue to get super limited pp minutes then at least start breaking them in to pk as well. It's just frustrating bc you're looking for a guy like kakko to start playing the way he was in the 1st and then he ends up on the bench. He played about 6 minutes over the final two periods. He played over 7 mins in the first period. That's ridiculous, and I've been a person hard on kakko. He's finally GOING and he basically gets benched.
its an 82 game season though, i get wanting certain guys to see time in bigger roles or feeling like theyve shown enough where theres no reason they shouldnt be but is it not splitting hairs to pick this game apart? i mean going to 11 fwds 5 mins in, refs sticking it to them all night, and the rangers completely mauled tampa anyway. now that also only means one game, but this was the kind of game we didnt get last year....just dominant in every sense where igor hardly had to break a sweat. the kids all looked a level up, kandre was a beast. the pp looked unreal but wasnt a crutch.

thought it was obvious gallant was looking for ways to get the kids on the ice. the pp is what it is, the top group was dominant tonight and probably deserved 2 more. the way gallant was deploying the kids i dont have any doubt on nights where pp1 is a mess theyll get tapped with a chance to state their case.

bottom line top to bottom this was just about as solid of an effort as we could have asked for from the entire roster. woulda been nice to get rewarded with a few more and for the refs to call it correctly so the special teams time didnt muddle time on ice but still. its 1 game. the game was a dominant 60 mins against a talented team where there were no weak links and no real periods of getting pressed. there will be plenty of games to lobby complaints but this aint one of em
 
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I did like when Fox played with 4D chess with Paul at the right point. Did the patented do-nothing, wait-him-out move on him.
It's what makes Fox so good. He doesn't have the size of Hedman or the speed of Makar, but he thinks the game at another level than honestly I think any other defenseman in the league. He's a great passer because he sees the game a step ahead.

It's not like hes got bad skills, its just he doesn't have the natural step-quicker or foot-taller of the other Dmen like Hedman and Makar who are among the best. They all have their own calling for best defenseman, but Fox's is his hockey IQ and brain. You can just see the gears turning and his brain working before he even touches the puck.

Makar makes his plays at full speed which is incredible .... but I think its more impressive that Fox makes some of his best plays with head fakes and look offs while he stands still. With a guy the size of Paul coming at him. Hes one of a kind, and he wasn't even at his best tonight.
 

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Who are you taking out of the d? You have 4 of 6 guys that if they want to can clear the front and make things miserable. Fox isn't coming out, and Jones is in there to help the transition and possibly QB the pp2. This is what we have right now and I am okay with it unless they prove otherwise.

Lindgren is always missing time. Im just saying Hajek in important minutes is desperate times. Not a fan of his at all. Rather have a more physical player at the 7th dman. hajek is just a skating non physical dman. That what I mean by that. Not in the top 6. I meant as a 7th 8th dman when someone gets hurt or misses time with personal issues. Things happen in life. I have no confidence in Hajek other than 2 game per month type of deal. Not an NHL player at all. He was a reach pick by the Bolts and Rangers fell for it. I would have kept Tinordi over Hajek.
 

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its an 82 game season though, i get wanting certain guys to see time in bigger roles or feeling like theyve shown enough where theres no reason they shouldnt be but is it not splitting hairs to pick this game apart? i mean going to 11 fwds 5 mins in, refs sticking it to them all night, and the rangers completely mauled tampa anyway. now that also only means one game, but this was the kind of game we didnt get last year....just dominant in every sense where igor hardly had to break a sweat. the kids all looked a level up, kandre was a beast. the pp looked unreal but wasnt a crutch.

thought it was obvious gallant was looking for ways to get the kids on the ice. the pp is what it is, the top group was dominant tonight and probably deserved 2 more. the way gallant was deploying the kids i dont have any doubt on nights where pp1 is a mess theyll get tapped with a chance to state their case.

bottom line top to bottom this was just about as solid of an effort as we could have asked for from the entire roster. woulda been nice to get rewarded with a few more and for the refs to call it correctly so the special teams time didnt muddle time on ice but still. its 1 game. the game was a dominant 60 mins against a talented team where there were no weak links and no real periods of getting pressed. there will be plenty of games to lobby complaints but this aint one of em
It isn't one game, it's a theme here. It's been a theme for years. The coach has acknowledged it as such as well even just last week. We saw during the playoffs how important it is for these kids to be contributors. A guy like kakko showing life for 7 mins in the first period and then getting SIX MINUTES COMBINED in the 2nd and 3rd periods is unacceptable and I have been about as critical of kakko as anyone on this forum for the past 6-10 months. These guys need minutes, especially when they are playing assertive hockey like you want them to give you.
 
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its an 82 game season though, i get wanting certain guys to see time in bigger roles or feeling like theyve shown enough where theres no reason they shouldnt be but is it not splitting hairs to pick this game apart? i mean going to 11 fwds 5 mins in, refs sticking it to them all night, and the rangers completely mauled tampa anyway. now that also only means one game, but this was the kind of game we didnt get last year....just dominant in every sense where igor hardly had to break a sweat. the kids all looked a level up, kandre was a beast. the pp looked unreal but wasnt a crutch.

thought it was obvious gallant was looking for ways to get the kids on the ice. the pp is what it is, the top group was dominant tonight and probably deserved 2 more. the way gallant was deploying the kids i dont have any doubt on nights where pp1 is a mess theyll get tapped with a chance to state their case.

bottom line top to bottom this was just about as solid of an effort as we could have asked for from the entire roster. woulda been nice to get rewarded with a few more and for the refs to call it correctly so the special teams time didnt muddle time on ice but still. its 1 game. the game was a dominant 60 mins against a talented team where there were no weak links and no real periods of getting pressed. there will be plenty of games to lobby complaints but this aint one of em
It was a dominant win. I agree the kids will be just fine.

The PP scored, and I don't know how much clearer it can get. 4 out of 5 guys on of one of the top PP's in the league returned. They all acknowledged the importance and uniqueness of the bumper being a RHS based off how that unit plays, and how can you argue with the dominance and success we continue to see?

There will undoubtedly be nights where they suck and can't get in the zone for sustained pressure. The Kid Unit will see their PP time then. This will happen, because I remember countless games last season yelling at my TV for PP1's brutal breakouts or zone entries or forced plays resulting in clears right after entering the zone. Tonight just happened to be a night where nearly everything for that unit went right, and as a Rangers fan who likes to see my team win more than any indivuduals PP ice time be higher, I won't ever complain about the kids losing PP TOI to a unit that had 15 high danger shots on PPs and scored once tonight.

The kids look fine. Building off of last playoffs. Their TOI will be fine. Their unit will get their looks on the PP. Its early, in fact Game 1 of 82. And it went as perfect as it could go. Guess everyone can't be happy lol. Rangers hockey baby.

It's alos early in the season, where we always see elevated penalty numbers as refs try to set the tone for the year. Numbers will go down, which means ES TOI will go up. Chytil won't move from 3C, and currently 2/3 of Krav, Kakko and Laf are in top 6. If Krav falls out, I'm almost certain, like we saw tonight, that Laf will be the first to get the call for that 2RW spot.

Kakko played some PK, as did Laf, in pre season. GG showed a willingness to acclimate them to that. Maybe they will see more during season, maybe they won't. I can guarantee you though the PK TOI won't get them extra points, which seem to be the only thing half this fanbase is concerned about. Laf scored 19 ES goals last year, and looks better already this season. Kakko is on the top line. The Kid Line was reunited for a shift in the third. Progression is not linear. They're still all under 23. Laf is 21. Kakko is 21. They are clearly getting more opporunties, and getting better.

Some of this fan base just needs to chill.
 
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bleedblue94

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Lindgren is always missing time. Im just saying Hajek in important minutes is desperate times. Not a fan of his at all. Rather have a more physical player at the 7th dman. hajek is just a skating non physical dman. That what I mean by that. Not in the top 6. I meant as a 7th 8th dman when someone gets hurt or misses time with personal issues. Things happen in life. I have no confidence in Hajek other than 2 game per month type of deal. Not an NHL player at all. He was a reach pick by the Bolts and Rangers fell for it. I would have kept Tinordi over Hajek.
Oh that's fair, I think everyone here would agree they hope to see an upgrade on the 7th d slot. I'm sure you will see that by the tdl. Don't worry!
 

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Also happy barclay got on the scoreboard tonight. We need him to put up numbers so hes tradeable come late june.
 

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It isn't one game, it's a theme here. It's been a theme for years. The coach has acknowledged it as such as well even just last week. We saw during the playoffs how important it is for these kids to be contributors. A guy like kakko showing life for 7 mins in the first period and then getting SIX MINUTES COMBINED in the 2nd and 3rd periods is unacceptable and I have been about as critical of kakko as anyone on this forum for the past 6-10 months. These guys need minutes, especially when they are playing assertive hockey like you want them to give you.

what theme has he acknowledged? to be clear honest question not being sarcastic. im thinking youre referring to him saying something along the lines of them waiting their turn for pp time? if so i mean, thats the way it is. before this season they just didn't show enough for it to be seriously considered that they earned more. this season i feel like gallant has made it clear hes very happy with how theyve come along and where they are and knows theyve earned more. yea sucks about kakko tonight, i agree he was buzzing and wanted to see more. but thats just the way things went btw losing krav and special teams etc...its game 1 of 82. i feel very confident over the course of the season the kids will get their opportunities and be rewarded for taking advantage of them. i just see no reason to worry about the team or how ice time will be allocated after what they showed and the fact its game 1
 

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This is me thinking way far ahead but with the cap crunch this summer, its possible zac jones moves up to 2nd pair with trouba, miller first pair with fox and lindgren gets dealt
 

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Oh that's fair, I think everyone here would agree they hope to see an upgrade on the 7th d slot. I'm sure you will see that by the tdl. Don't worry!

Logan Stanley would be a solid addition here depending how the Jets do. Stanley is RFA. Travis Sanheim would be another good addition UFA. Vladimir Guirikov UFA too underrated player. Nikko Mikkola another underrated UFA dman.
 

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This is me thinking way far ahead but with the cap crunch this summer, its possible zac jones moves up to 2nd pair with trouba, miller first pair with fox and lindgren gets dealt
My thinking as well. Assuming RL fetches a (relative) king’s ransom.
 

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