Post-Game Talk: RANGER vs lightnings

[kinger8998]

This is me thinking way far ahead but with the cap crunch this summer, its possible zac jones moves up to 2nd pair with trouba, miller first pair with fox and lindgren gets dealt

Just mentioned this in Roster building thread when someone brought up the potential of a Kane deal. If you don't care for an analysis/take on this point and the relative repercussions, just a warning to skip this post...the part about Lindgren comes down at the bottom

A) This is very hypothetical. Drury has proven he won't overpay in a trade, he's shrewd and calculated. The only way he pays for Kane is if he forces his way here, and ultimately the price down and we get him at a discount.

B) This isn't about Kane, it's just someone mentioned giving up a Draft pick+Krav+Robertson for him.

C) Lindgren or Goodrow are the only logical reasonable cap dumps this summer for the impending Laf and Miller extensions...

Sidenote C) Drury should be getting those extensions done now before they double in price ...

D) And if we move Lindgren (Goodrow will have NTC, Lindgren is the easier of the 2 to move and I think the team would rather keep 21 if they could so will try to make it work with moving 55 first), Robertson is the most NHL ready, cost-controlled option we have.

E) This is my take on the defense: Trouba mentored Miller and helped the transition to the NHL, but it is without a doubt Millers combination of size and speed and skill that make that pairing so successful. We've seen Fox can be elite with a partner like Lindgren, so I think its logical that if Lindy goes, we could see Robertson get that spot next to Lindgren. Miller and Trouba stay together, and Jones and Schneider stay together. Just my take.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

So many people are doing him a disservice only showing that part, that whole shift was bonkers

And doing a further disservice by not knowing the difference between "dominate" (verb) and "dominant" (adjective)

 

[SML2]

I thought Jones looked great in his own zone. I already ate my crow on KAM in the game day thread but I will go back for seconds. He was a monster tonight. Called Zib with the first goal of the year. They gave Tampa all they could handle tonight. Great game to kick off the season.

 

[ArPanet]

Nope. No Tempests allowed after snuffing out the Lightning.

You probably knew the quote already I had to look it up lol

So many people are doing him a disservice only showing that part, that whole shift was bonkers

Panarin-Schneider chemistry watch on since preseason

 

[mas0764]

This is your take after that dominant win? Color me shocked.

I’ve had numerous takes after this win, each better than the last.

 

[McRanger92]

He's a 'name' that has 'earned it', and it was against a rookie, so he gets even extra slack. This is how the NHL manages games.

I wanted to see Laf give him another elbow to the jaw. I was there and though Tampa was obstructing the entire period and nothing was called. The refs called it even but after the first EVERYTHING was penalty

 

[ViD]

The Bread man played like a mad man

 

[kinger8998]

Just one last thought on Kakko. He looked so damn good tonight. Puck possession, defensive reads to pick off passes in NZ and OZ. Drew 2 penalties.

He's going to be really good for Zibanejad and Kreider. They'll be great for him, but he'll be good for them. Kreider and Zibanejad always do their thing, and Vatrano fit good with them, but I think Kakkos a GREAT fit.

Vatrano was a shooter and could finish, but Kakkos going to give that line an extra ability to possess and control the play so that when Kreids or Mika pass to their other linemate its not a one and done shot/goal. Kakko can actually control the puck, retrieve it, and if his improved shot shows anything, he shouldn't have a problem finishing either.

The Bread man played like a mad man

Bread looked rejuvenated. Small sample size, and its early, but he looks to have a new energy that he missed last season. Will obviously be kinks to workout with the swtich to Trocheck at his C, but once those are worked out, I think you can tack on more than a few extra assists for Panarin because of Trochecks shot, and because Trocheck is more of an immediate shooting/physical threat than Strome, Bread will be open for a few extra goals as well.

100 pts for Panarin and lets go with 60 for Trocheck

 

[mas0764]

We won the game.... but more importantly...


we won in advanced stats... and that's what matters.

It actually does matter pretty substantially.

 

[EdJovanovski]

Man does he just have a way with words. I can’t imagine how fired up I’d be hearing captain Trouba deliver a speech in the lockerroom going into game 7 OT

 

[mas0764]

I don't know why some people dont like Trocheck. He's exactly what we need as a #2.

I dunno if I’m convinced that he will be able to generate enough offense on that line. Either he or Kravtsov needs to, the other can do the dirty work.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

We won the game.... but more importantly...


we won in advanced stats... and that's what matters.

F that.

They dominated face offs, which is the true measure of a champion.

Man does he just have a way with words. I can’t imagine how fired up I’d be hearing captain Trouba deliver a speech in the lockerroom going into game 7 OT

He wanted everyone to experience what its like to perceive language from Kravtsov's POV right now.

 

[kinger8998]

It actually does matter pretty substantially.

The issue between eye test Wins/Losses folks and advanced stats folks is literally communication and being stubborn.

We won, that matters. The way we won is sustainable, that also matters. We didn't win relying on Shesty, and although that worked early last season, like we saw in Games 3 and 4 of the Pens series, when it doesn't work its a complete clusterf**k.

What we do know, is even though we needed Shesty a couple times tonight, and he delivered, we won based off a complete team effort from the crease out. We also know this was 1/82 and some of the other 81 are going to be bad games, and we know Shesty can save us from those and help us steal some W's we likely don't deserve.

Straight line results matter, I don't care how bad or good we play, if we play great and lose its still a loss and if we play bad and W it's the same 2 points as all the others. But, how you win definitely goes a long as as to indicating if its a basis for long term success, or if the fate on you team hinges entirely on your goalie being the best in the league.

Early last year, it was the latter, early early EARLY this year, the way the game went tonight as a whole seems like a sustainable way to do so. Encouraging early results. We should all be happy. W and 2 points look good, heat maps and advanced stats look good

 

[Mugless]

Zbad has never looked this dominant early in the season. That’s some scary shit y’all.

He normally starts slow due to his off-season diet of tree bark and dandelions. Maybe he ate some red meat this summer.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

I know that they're young but this has to be the best and deepest D corps since I've been watching (00-01). I know Leetch and Zubov were uber studs but were the #5 and #6 defensemen as good with that 94 team? I know that 2014 we had a very solid bottom 1-6, but we didn't have anyone close to Fox, even McDonagh.

 

[Levitate]

Pretty good game. Like Kakko on that line, PP looked good, Trochek and Panarin look real close to figuring things out good and got some good looks, Laf looked a bit out of place at first but started settling into that line
Defense was mostly good, Jones I liked a lot

Penalties need work, lots of special teams took some time from the kids but they mostly did good

Third line needs somethjng more to it if they’re running that as the top six

Kravtsov if he’s not out long, Blais, just somethjng that makes it a bit more dangerous somehow. Vesey and Goodrowe aren’t that scary and don’t keep possession going that well

But, it’ll get sorted

 

[SnowblindNYR]

What are your guys' thoughts on Miller's ceiling vs. peak McDonagh? Higher?

 

[Matt Rentfree]

I know that they're young but this has to be the best and deepest D corps since I've been watching (00-01). I know Leetch and Zubov were uber studs but were the #5 and #6 defensemen as good with that 94 team? I know that 2014 we had a very solid bottom 1-6, but we didn't have anyone close to Fox, even McDonagh.

That's a tough question to answer, I think. Wells and Karpovtsev were very different players from Jones and Schneider. I'd venture to say Lidster (#7) was better than Hajek though.

Also - the bottom pair barely played in the playoffs IIRC. Keenan played mostly Leetch/Beukeboom and Lowe/Zubov

 

[kinger8998]

What are your guys' thoughts on Miller's ceiling vs. peak McDonagh? Higher?

Sky is the absolute limit for Miller. I said my piece about Foxs hockey IQ being what makes him a top 4 defenseman in the NHL, but Miller has the raw tools in terms of speed and strength to get up there too.

That kid has the speed, size, shot and that raw skill potential to become among the best up there with Fox. The Rangers have a real gem. As long as his points don't explode to Fox-like levels this year (not raw totals, Miller won't have the PP1 time, just talking ES points), his AAV if we get him locked up long term will be a sweetheart deal.

We could legitimately have 2 defensemen who take Norris votes away from eachother on the same team. He's not there yet, but he's getting there. And its not unrealistic to think so

 

[tlk]

The bloodywhine? https://forums.hfboards.com/members/boss-man-hughes.338073/

 

[Machinehead]

Zac Jones!

 

[Casper The Soy Ghost]

Does Carpenter give anyone else wood?

Tell me you're a dad without telling me you're a dad.

I don't know why some people dont like Trocheck. He's exactly what we need as a #2.

Dude he could be McDavid and people would still complain. We got to be one of the whiniest fanbases on HfB. I actually think we are the whiniest.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

Tell me you're a dad without telling me you're a dad.


Dude he could be McDavid and people would still complain. We got to be one of the whiniest fanbases on HfB. I actually think we are the whiniest.

Quit whining about the fanbase.

 

[Casper The Soy Ghost]

I like him better as our 3C.

In what world is Trochek a #3 C? He is a legit #2C. We are living in a cap era, you can't afford to have someone that good on the 3rd line (unless half your team is on their ELC's).

 

[Casper The Soy Ghost]

The rangers had a ton of penalties in the second and third. He’s currently not on the rotation to kill. And gallant was trying to get the first pp going.
That said he was on the ice as soon as it was 5v5, as was Laf and then Chytil.gallant played them all with 5m left, that shows trust.
Last season he’d be shortening the bench significantly

Kakko should be on/get a try on the PK. He has the tools to be a very good PK'er.

Quit whining about the fanbase.

Haha... I saw this one coming from miles away.